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CS 06-25-2013 08:00 PM

Salary Cap Thread: Raise Watch (Giroux, Schenn, Couturier)
 
We need to bring this thread back both for our own reference and for the reference of meandering fans who still think we have no cap space.

NOTE: I will use only hard caps and ignore bonus cushions.
~ Denotes assumed salary cap hit after re-signing.
+ Denotes effects of potential increase in salary cap.
** Denotes special contract considered in advance.

2013-14 (CURRENT LINEUP)
Hartnell (4.75) - Giroux (3.75) - Voracek (4.25)
Schenn (0.90) - Lecavalier (4.50) - Simmonds (3.98)
xxxxxxxxxx - Couturier (0.93) - Read (0.90)
Rinaldo (0.75) - Laughton (0.93) - Talbot (1.75)
Rosehill (0.68) - **Wellwood (0.59)

Timonen (6.00) - Schenn (3.60)
Streit (5.25) - Coburn (4.50)
**Gustafsson (1.30~) - Grossmann (3.50)
Meszaros (4.00) - Gervais (0.83)
Bourdon (0.61)

Mason (1.50)
xxxxxxxxxx

Bartulis BUYOUT (0.10)
Briere BUYOUT (0.00)
Bryzgalov BUYOUT (0.00)
Bonus Cushion Penalty (0.18)

Pronger LTIR (+/- 4.92)

FORWARDS: 26
Lecavalier, Hartnell, Voracek, Simmonds, Giroux, Schenn, Talbot, Couturier, Laughton, Akeson, Read, McGinn, Rinaldo, Rosehill, Johnston, Mangene, Alderson, Flanagan, Straka, Brown, Cousins, Raffl, Noebels, Newbery, Holmstrom, Mathers

DEFENSEMEN: 14
Timonen, Streit, Pronger, Coburn, Meszaros, Schenn, Grossmann, Gervais, Bourdon, Konan, Alt, Lamarche, Eddy, Hostetter

GOALTENDERS: 2
Mason, Heeter

SLIDE-RISK: 1
Stolarz (G)

RFAs: 4
**Gustafsson (D), **Wellwood (F), **Manning (D), **Lauridsen (D)

UFAs: 11
Gagne (F), Shelley (F), Knuble (F), Hall (F), Wahl (F), Walker (D), Foster (D), Huskins (D), Lilja (D), Kessel (D), Boucher (G)

RESERVE LIST: 46/50 (+1 SR) **Includes Qualified RFAs
SALARY CAP: 64.30
CAP CHARGE: 58.53
TOTAL SPACE: 05.77


2014-15 (NEXT YEAR)
Hartnell (4.75) - Giroux (7.50~) - Voracek (4.25)
Schenn (3.00~) - Lecavalier (4.50) - Simmonds (3.98)
xxxxxxxxxx - Couturier (2.50~) - xxxxxxxxxx
Rinaldo (0.75) - Laughton (0.93) - Talbot (1.75)
Rosehill (0.68)

xxxxxxxxxx - Schenn (3.60)
Streit (5.25) - Coburn (4.50)
Gustafsson (1.30~) - Grossmann (3.50)
xxxxxxxxxx

xxxxxxxxxx
xxxxxxxxxx

Briere BUYOUT (0.00)
Bryzgalov BUYOUT (0.00)

Pronger LTIR (+/- 4.92)

FORWARDS: 14
Lecavalier, Hartnell, Voracek, Simmonds, Talbot, Laughton, Rinaldo, Rosehill, Johnston, Alderson, Straka, Cousins, Noebels, Mathers

DEFENSEMEN: 8
Streit, Pronger, Coburn, Schenn, Grossmann, Konan, Alt, Lamarche

GOALTENDERS: 0

SLIDE-RISK: 1
Stolarz (G)

RFAs: 14
Giroux (F), Schenn (F), Couturier (F), Akeson (F), McGinn (F), Mangene (F), Flanagan (F), Brown (F), Raffl (F), Bourdon (D), Eddy (D), Hostetter (D), Mason (G), Heeter (G)

UFAs: 6
Read (F), Newbery (F), Holmstrom (F), Timonen (D), Meszaros (D), Gervais (D)

RESERVE LIST: 22/50 (+1 SR)
SALARY CAP: 64.30+
CAP CHARGE: 52.74
TOTAL SPACE: 11.56+

FlyersFan61290 06-25-2013 08:04 PM

With the amount of cap space the Flyers could easily re-sign Read to about 4AAV. It's really hard to project though being as though we don't know what the next week or so has in store for us. :laugh:

CS 07-02-2013 02:00 PM

Added Wellwood's cap charge, since we can't demote LTIR players after signing them, his qualifying offer cap-hit will carry on the NHL cap-related roster. I'm basically assuming he excepts the qualifying offer since he really isn't in a position to negotiate more.

King Forsberg 07-02-2013 02:07 PM

So based on these calculations what should we hope the Flyers do with Lecavalier? Is he worth probably losing Read?

Curufinwe 07-02-2013 02:10 PM

Depends on what kind of draft picks we would get for Read.

CS 07-02-2013 02:12 PM

Well, if there's anything really evident, we need wingers; not necessarily Lecavalier.

Read is younger and potentially cheaper while possessing the two-way ability on the wing we could use.

It's a tough discussion that has a lot of factors involved.

shipwreck 07-02-2013 04:04 PM

I really like Read. We needa keep him

bennysflyers16 07-02-2013 04:19 PM

Seen on The Twitter that G contract negotiations going well and could be done by Friday !!

Prongo 07-02-2013 04:21 PM

We have no cap space, every other teams fan base has told me. I am inclined to believe them.

CS 07-02-2013 04:56 PM

Added Reserve Lists per request.

Curufinwe 07-02-2013 05:45 PM

We need an update. :)

5 years at 4.5 for Vinny.

CS 07-02-2013 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curufinwe (Post 68500605)
We need an update. :)

5 years at 4.5 for Vinny.

Done.

Curufinwe 07-02-2013 06:42 PM

Chris, can you explain why you have the Flyers with 5.77 million in cap space, but capgeek has them with -$318,552?

It's not just from taking off Pronger's deal, right?

CS 07-02-2013 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Curufinwe (Post 68507609)
Chris, can you explain why you have the Flyers with 5.77 million in cap space, but capgeek has them with -$318,552?

It's not just from taking off Pronger's deal, right?

Capgeek doesn't take into account Pronger's LTIR and the bonus cushion covering Schenn, Couturier, and Laughton.

bennysflyers16 07-02-2013 08:35 PM

Can we a waive Mezz and ditch the cap hit, or those rules have changed ?

Curufinwe 07-02-2013 08:48 PM

Someone would need to claim him, I think.

LegionOfDoom91 07-02-2013 08:56 PM

Jeremy Jacobs (Bruins Owner) thinks the cap will raise substantially after next year based off of projected revenue for next year. Player agent Allan Walsh thinks it will be back up to $70M again.

CS 07-02-2013 09:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LegionOfDoom91 (Post 68518389)
Jeremy Jacobs (Bruins Owner) thinks the cap will raise substantially after next year based off of projected revenue for next year. Player agent Allan Walsh thinks it will be back up to $70M again.

Well, if it does raise by roughly 6m, then you can expect us to have roughly 17.5m in the 2014-15 offseason based on what we have now.

PhilaFlyers 07-02-2013 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bennysflyers16 (Post 68516895)
Can we a waive Mezz and ditch the cap hit, or those rules have changed ?

Since his contract is over $925,000 it would still count as $3,075,000 against the cap if he were demoted.

JoeFlyer 07-03-2013 06:22 AM

So in offseason we can go over the cap by 10% right? Does that count the Entry Level Contract bonuses? I.e. on capgeek we're more or less at cap now, however we can still spend another 10% over that (call it $6m), can we also spend the bonus money which adds about $2.5m? If so having $8.5m to spend still on a keeper and a winger (Gagne I'm guessing) seems fine, once the roster is trimmed and LTIR happens we're under the regular season cap limit...

CS 07-03-2013 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JoeFlyer (Post 68546273)
So in offseason we can go over the cap by 10% right? Does that count the Entry Level Contract bonuses? I.e. on capgeek we're more or less at cap now, however we can still spend another 10% over that (call it $6m), can we also spend the bonus money which adds about $2.5m? If so having $8.5m to spend still on a keeper and a winger (Gagne I'm guessing) seems fine, once the roster is trimmed and LTIR happens we're under the regular season cap limit...

I'm not entirely certain that you can spend bonus money. I know it's considered soft cap, but whether or not that counts against your summer 10% limit is something I don't know.

These are the numbers you're looking for though:

Pronger's cap charge: 4.92m
Total bonus charge on ELCs (soft): 2.84m
The summer salary cap: 70.73m
Highest allowable cap space if 10% includes ELC Bonuses: -6.43m
Highest allowable cap space if not (Flyers only): -9.27m

So to answer your question, if Bonuses count as hard cap in the summer, we can only go up to -6.43m by capgeek numbers (or 70.73m). If Bonuses count as soft cap during the summer then they are not subject to the 10% overage limit leaving us a limit of -9.27m by capgeek numbers (or 73.57m).

MRxBLACK 07-04-2013 10:17 PM

Bump for Giroux's raise.

nuclear reactor 07-04-2013 11:19 PM

Not sure why everybody is writing off Read. Best course of action is to sign him to an extension this fall and if necessary deal him next summer.

Synthetic 07-05-2013 12:15 AM

Thanks for this. Been wondering how we were doing on remaining cap.

CS 07-05-2013 07:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MRxBLACK (Post 68675327)
Bump for Giroux's raise.

I'll edit it once today is over with.

Adding the Hall signing to this year's roster though we're at:

5.17m in cap space for 2013-14

Adding the Giroux extension to next year's roster we're at:

10.78m in cap space for 2014-15.

Heading into July 5th Free-Agency.


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