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StevenToddIves 06-28-2013 02:16 PM

Can the Rangers trade into 1st round? New THW column!
 
I recently published a column on THW discussing the possibility of thr Rangers trading into the first round, along with the possibility of the Hurricanes wanting Marc Staal. I would love to hear what you all think: http://thehockeywriters.com/rangers-...e-first-round/

broadwayblue 06-28-2013 02:20 PM

Dear god, do we need more of this Staal to Carolina business?

Baby Punisher 06-28-2013 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by broadwayblue (Post 68152005)
Dear god, do we need more of this Staal to Carolina business?

I wasn't aware that the Canes wanted our Staal.

This article is based on 100% speculation & not one fact. It's all BS> There is no way Mcilrath makes this years team out of camp & it's unlikely he will even be a call up this year UNLESS we are devestated with injuries.

StevenToddIves 06-28-2013 02:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Baby Punisher (Post 68152245)
I wasn't aware that the Canes wanted our Staal.

This article is based on 100% speculation & not one fact. It's all BS> There is no way Mcilrath makes this years team out of camp & it's unlikely he will even be a call up this year UNLESS we are devestated with injuries.

Thanks for, uh... not pulling punches.

Beacon 06-28-2013 02:40 PM

It's a TERRIBLE idea to give up players for a first round pick. The only reason - THE ONLY REASON - anyone here wants to do it is because you want to make draft day interesting. There's no other reason.

But in reality, we are a team trying to win now. Do you really think it would be wise to give up a guy like Hagelin for a draft pick who - AT BEST! - will take 2-3 years to crack the NHL, and another few years to reach his prime? And half the players drafted in the first round outside of the top-10 NEVER make the NHL.

But even if the player does make it, how does it make sense to give up a player right now to get someone who'll only be useful in 4-6 years? Aren't we trying to win now while Lundqvist is still playing and Nash is in his prime?

HatTrick Swayze 06-28-2013 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Beacon (Post 68153333)
It's a TERRIBLE idea to give up players for a first round pick. The only reason - THE ONLY REASON - anyone here wants to do it is because you want to make draft day interesting. There's no other reason.

But in reality, we are a team trying to win now. Do you really think it would be wise to give up a guy like Hagelin for a draft pick who - AT BEST! - will take 2-3 years to crack the NHL, and another few years to reach his prime? And half the players drafted in the first round outside of the top-10 NEVER make the NHL.

But even if the player does make it, how does it make sense to give up a player right now to get someone who'll only be useful in 4-6 years? Aren't we trying to win now while Lundqvist is still playing and Nash is in his prime?

100%, to the word, agreed.

M Gaz 06-28-2013 02:51 PM

I can see Sather trading a couple of our 3rd rounders for a 2nd rounder, but I HIGHLY doubt we make a trade for a 1st rounder. Yeah, this draft is supposed to be deeper than usual, but it's not worth it for this team at the moment to give up a key roster player for a pick that's not even guaranteed to pan out. Now, if Staal wanted out of NY, then I'd say sure, start taking offers, but that's not the case here.

DelZottoHitTheNetJK 06-28-2013 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Beacon (Post 68153333)
It's a TERRIBLE idea to give up players for a first round pick. The only reason - THE ONLY REASON - anyone here wants to do it is because you want to make draft day interesting. There's no other reason.

But in reality, we are a team trying to win now. Do you really think it would be wise to give up a guy like Hagelin for a draft pick who - AT BEST! - will take 2-3 years to crack the NHL, and another few years to reach his prime? And half the players drafted in the first round outside of the top-10 NEVER make the NHL.

But even if the player does make it, how does it make sense to give up a player right now to get someone who'll only be useful in 4-6 years? Aren't we trying to win now while Lundqvist is still playing and Nash is in his prime?

I agree with most of this as well, however there's a laundry list of players that crack the NHL straight out of the draft and make a big impact. Especially forwards, and this is supposedly an extremely deep draft. I have a really good feeling you'll be seeing both MacKinnon and Drouin in the NHL next season, possibly even Jones

broadwayblue 06-28-2013 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by WojtekGoalski (Post 68154177)
I agree with most of this as well, however there's a laundry list of players that crack the NHL straight out of the draft and make a big impact. Especially forwards, and this is supposedly an extremely deep draft. I have a really good feeling you'll be seeing both MacKinnon and Drouin in the NHL next season, possibly even Jones

Every year there's 2 or 3 guys that are ready for the NHL day 1. But every year you need a top 3 or so pick to land one of those guys. There's a huge difference between trading into the first round and trading into the top 3.

StevenToddIves 06-28-2013 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by WojtekGoalski (Post 68154177)
I agree with most of this as well, however there's a laundry list of players that crack the NHL straight out of the draft and make a big impact. Especially forwards, and this is supposedly an extremely deep draft. I have a really good feeling you'll be seeing both MacKinnon and Drouin in the NHL next season, possibly even Jones

At #5 the Rangers would likely be able to draft Nichushkin, who is NHL-ready.

bernmeister 06-28-2013 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by StevenToddIves (Post 68151679)
I recently published a column on THW discussing the possibility of thr Rangers trading into the first round, along with the possibility of the Hurricanes wanting Marc Staal. I would love to hear what you all think: http://thehockeywriters.com/rangers-...e-first-round/

I don't have extended time for this, esp. now, but want to quick blurb not only thanks for the article, but answer some curiosity.

Rangers possible 1st round action:
Staal to Canes. (5th overall)
Not likely straight up. But while not a better hockey decision, Staal would be a good biz decision. They are pressing for Staal for Skinner.
So either bring in a team like Montreal that really wants Skinner, take their payment, add, and get the 5th.
or
expand the deal to do the 5th.
Odds of moving MS to Car are good, but not for this 5th unless there is signif. add.

MDZ to Edm (7th overall)
Howson wants MDZ, but not lookin like we get that straight up, as there are prob other offers competing we must beat.
Odds of moving MDZ to Edm are potentially good, incl as to this 7th overall, but Oilers need something more, which remains to be seen.

Callahan to Buf (8th overall)
This would hurt, but Cally would net a lot more than just 8th overall, and some thought is in order as to how much massive overcompensation would Buf give, and should we take it, while we have the chance?

That is another whole thing time does not permit only a quick blurb here.

But w/tweaking, could see Rangers w/ 5, 7, and 8 overall.

Is that enough for McKinnon + Siemens?

Just sharing a few thoughts...

JohnC 06-28-2013 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bernmeister (Post 68161209)
I don't have extended time for this, esp. now, but want to quick blurb not only thanks for the article, but answer some curiosity.

Rangers possible 1st round action:
Staal to Canes. (5th overall)
Not likely straight up. But while not a better hockey decision, Staal would be a good biz decision. They are pressing for Staal for Skinner.
So either bring in a team like Montreal that really wants Skinner, take their payment, add, and get the 5th.
or
expand the deal to do the 5th.
Odds of moving MS to Car are good, but not for this 5th unless there is signif. add.

MDZ to Edm (7th overall)
Howson wants MDZ, but not lookin like we get that straight up, as there are prob other offers competing we must beat.
Odds of moving MDZ to Edm are potentially good, incl as to this 7th overall, but Oilers need something more, which remains to be seen.

Callahan to Buf (8th overall)
This would hurt, but Cally would net a lot more than just 8th overall, and some thought is in order as to how much massive overcompensation would Buf give, and should we take it, while we have the chance?

That is another whole thing time does not permit only a quick blurb here.

But w/tweaking, could see Rangers w/ 5, 7, and 8 overall.

Is that enough for McKinnon + Siemens?

Just sharing a few thoughts...

Do you do this for fun or are you being serious? Just curious

Greg02 06-28-2013 05:10 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnC (Post 68162025)
Do you do this for fun or are you being serious? Just curious

No sacred cows ;)

JohnC 06-28-2013 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg02 (Post 68162431)
No sacred cows ;)

I know :/

bernmeister 06-28-2013 06:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnC (Post 68162025)
Do you do this for fun or are you being serious? Just curious

Sometimes it's just extrapolating if we can try something along certain lines.
But otherwise, if it is specific enough, it is serious.

And why not?
Unless, you don't think you agree the value returned in any given scenario is worth it as to that scenario, which is fine, that's what analyzing an idea is for.

bernmeister 06-28-2013 06:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg02 (Post 68162431)
No sacred cows ;)

You get it!

Brooklyn Ranger 06-28-2013 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by broadwayblue (Post 68152005)
Dear god, do we need more of this Staal to Carolina business?

Really. And no one seems to remember that the other two Staal brothers have Stanley Cup rings, Marc does not. I really wonder if he even wants to be traded to Carolina. Plus, they have cap concerns, something not mentioned by the original poster.

The Rangers need Staal. If he's healthy, he's worth more than Carolina's first round pick to a Ranger team whose management clearly wants to win now.

Tawnos 06-28-2013 07:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Brooklyn Ranger (Post 68167465)
Really. And no one seems to remember that the other two Staal brothers have Stanley Cup rings, Marc does not. I really wonder if he even wants to be traded to Carolina. Plus, they have cap concerns, something not mentioned by the original poster.

The Rangers need Staal. If he's healthy, he's worth more than Carolina's first round pick to a Ranger team whose management clearly wants to win now.

Marc has always struck me as the brother who does his own thing anyway. I don't know if I totally buy that he wants to go to Carolina.

Brooklyn Ranger 06-28-2013 07:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Tawnos (Post 68168159)
Marc has always struck me as the brother who does his own thing anyway. I don't know if I totally buy that he wants to go to Carolina.

I've never seen anything to suggest it's his only goal. Jordan turned down a big contract with Pittsburgh, but his situation is different, his name is on the Stanley Cup.

Plus, until Marc can show that he's back to being comfortable on the ice, I don't think he's going anywhere.

Silence Of The Plams 06-28-2013 08:24 PM

You don't dump players for a pick unless you want to stir **** in the pot like this.

SingnBluesOnBroadway 06-28-2013 09:24 PM

The bigger question to me is would the Rangers want to move into the first. The draft seems awfully top heavy.

wafflepadsave 06-28-2013 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by JohnC (Post 68162025)
Do you do this for fun or are you being serious? Just curious

I believe the answer is ":loony:What is just for fun Alex" ?

Greg02 06-28-2013 11:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wafflepadsave (Post 68178133)
I believe the answer is ":loony:What is just for fun Alex" ?

While bern's opinions can be kind of out there, and I'm certainly glad he's not our GM, I think it's a mistake to just dismiss him as crazy. His insights in the top Rangers players threads are enough to show that he knows about hockey.

wafflepadsave 06-28-2013 11:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Greg02 (Post 68179483)
While bern's opinions can be kind of out there, and I'm certainly glad he's not our GM, I think it's a mistake to just dismiss him as crazy. His insights in the top Rangers players threads are enough to show that he knows about hockey.

Insights sure. But this isn't NHL 13. None of that happens in reality.

Lundsanity30 06-29-2013 01:10 AM

The #5 is not worth Staal.


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