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SpeedDemon 06-30-2013 07:53 PM

On Drafting Seth Jones
 
The Upside- This guy could step right into the line up and solve what seemed like a gaping hole on the blueline. Good Offensive numbers. Potential powerplay quarterback.

The Downside- why heck is David Poile stacking the blue line when he has an anemic offense and no immediate solutions. Let's face it there's not going to be another Paul Kariya with interest to come to music city. And you can't play the trap in today's NHL

Preddownsouth 06-30-2013 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedDemon (Post 68372253)
The Upside- This guy could step right into the line up and solve what seemed like a gaping hole on the blueline. Good Offensive numbers. Potential powerplay quarterback.

The Downside- why heck is David Poile stacking the blue line when he has an anemic offense and no immediate solutions. Let's face it there's not going to be another Paul Kariya with interest to come to music city. And you can't play the trap in today's NHL

Only one choice then. Forfeit the entire season. Might as well not play the games now.

Gnashville 06-30-2013 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedDemon (Post 68372253)
The Upside- This guy could step right into the line up and solve what seemed like a gaping hole on the blueline. Good Offensive numbers. Potential powerplay quarterback.

The Downside- why heck is David Poile stacking the blue line when he has an anemic offense and no immediate solutions. Let's face it there's not going to be another Paul Kariya with interest to come to music city. And you can't play the trap in today's NHL

Maybe after the injured forwards come back to a full training camp and we trade some young d-men and sign someone unexpected we will be contenders again. Seth Jones was 100% the right pick.

RaiderDoug 06-30-2013 08:09 PM

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Originally Posted by SpeedDemon (Post 68372253)
The Upside- This guy could step right into the line up and solve what seemed like a gaping hole on the blueline. Good Offensive numbers. Potential powerplay quarterback.

The Downside- why heck is David Poile stacking the blue line when he has an anemic offense and no immediate solutions. Let's face it there's not going to be another Paul Kariya with interest to come to music city. And you can't play the trap in today's NHL

What would you have him do at #4 once the top 3 forwards were gone?

Lindholm isn't coming over until 14-15 at the earliest. Monahan has limited offensive upside. Nichushkin was such a hot prospect he went #10.

And where were the "immediate solutions" to be found in this draft? Even MacK and Drouin aren't exactly ready for 1st line minutes next year.

If Jones is ready, it at least will give us a puck mover on the 2nd pair - something that was a huge problem last year. It's hard to generate offense when your defenseman can't get the puck up ice.

dubgeek 06-30-2013 08:19 PM

I guess I can accept the jones pick since he was the best player available, but I don't have to be happy about it.

I was really looking forward to some potential offensive punch out of this pick, so seeing Jones fall to us is a disappointment.

KevFist 06-30-2013 08:45 PM

Jones was BPA. Simple as that. Plus, I'm not really sold on MacKinnon or Drouin. Let's see how good they are apart. To me, Barkov was the best forward, and there's questions about his shoulder.

Jones is a good pic. He's ready to step in now. He frees up assets to move to get that forward we need. There's also a pretty considerable drop off between the first 4 picks and the 5th pick.

Poile would have been insane to NOT take Jones.

gratefulpred 06-30-2013 08:50 PM

I'll go the Murray State Alumni route and say I could not be happier! His dad was an absolute pleasure to watch when he played for us and he was huge, had him a few classes and he was a nice guy.

I am super excited to see what happens. The scoring will come, we just must be patient and a little giddy we got a stud who fell into our laps!

Soundgarden 06-30-2013 08:51 PM

Jones was simply BPA at 4. It just wouldn't be smart to go for needs that high.

Remember the '08 draft? We got Wilson(rated 10 among NA skaters) Josi(6 among EU skaters), Chet Pickard(2nd for NA Goalies) and Lindback(3rd among EU goalies). Now Chet Pickard is most likely a bust, but at the time he was rated very highly, we had just traded Vokoun and Rinne hadn't solidified the starting position. To make use out of three of the four picks makes it a great draft for us, and I believe this will turn out to be a great draft despite not picking higher with our other picks.

Jones was rated 1st or 2nd all year, we got the best player from who was there.

My point is you should go BPA, who knows where you will be 3-4 years down the road from now. Weber-Josi, Jones-Klein could lead us to a cup, or maybe one of them gets traded for a star forward, or depth to lead us to a cup, you never know.

SpeedDemon 06-30-2013 08:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Preddownsouth (Post 68372515)
Only one choice then. Forfeit the entire season. Might as well not play the games now.

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Originally Posted by Gnashville (Post 68374363)
Maybe after the injured forwards come back to a full training camp and we trade some young d-men and sign someone unexpected we will be contenders again. Seth Jones was 100% the right pick.

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Originally Posted by RaiderDoug (Post 68374795)
What would you have him do at #4 once the top 3 forwards were gone?

Lindholm isn't coming over until 14-15 at the earliest. Monahan has limited offensive upside. Nichushkin was such a hot prospect he went #10.

And where were the "immediate solutions" to be found in this draft? Even MacK and Drouin aren't exactly ready for 1st line minutes next year.

If Jones is ready, it at least will give us a puck mover on the 2nd pair - something that was a huge problem last year. It's hard to generate offense when your defenseman can't get the puck up ice.


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Originally Posted by KevFist (Post 68379499)
Jones was BPA. Simple as that. Plus, I'm not really sold on MacKinnon or Drouin. Let's see how good they are apart. To me, Barkov was the best forward, and there's questions about his shoulder.

Jones is a good pic. He's ready to step in now. He frees up assets to move to get that forward we need. There's also a pretty considerable drop off between the first 4 picks and the 5th pick.

Poile would have been insane to NOT take Jones.

Hey now don't all gang up on me at once. I'm not saying he shouldn't have taken him. I was sure Jones would be have gone to the panthers. Poile made absolutely the right choice.

I'm just thinking out loud here. that's all.

RCola88 06-30-2013 09:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Gnashville (Post 68374363)
Maybe after the injured forwards come back to a full training camp and we trade some young d-men and sign someone unexpected we will be contenders again. Seth Jones was 100% the right pick.

Exactly. Everyone is acting like this is the end of the world or something. We still have all of the off-season, and a full training camp with hopefully a healthy roster. We pick up a top 6 forward in free agency or trade Ekholm or Ellis, we can field a solid, young team.

WartracePred 06-30-2013 09:00 PM

Very disappointed that we didn't get a franchise forward. But, no one can blame Poile. His job just became much more difficult. He has to convince UFAs that NSH is an attractive place for a high profile forward. Or he has to trade his dmen prospects for valuable forwards.

Brent Pettersen did mention that Jones will improve our scoring by replacing Suter's breakout ability. He said our forwards spent a ton of energy last season just trying to escape the defensive zone. Suter played a huge role getting the puck into and through the neutral zone. Jones and Josi together will more than replace Suter's value.

KevFist 06-30-2013 09:01 PM

well...How'd you want folks to reply then?

jwhouk 06-30-2013 09:20 PM

1. There wasn't a franchise forward available.
2. We have a GM who has always drafted defense first.
3. He was the BPA (as was mentioned).
4. He has a huge chip on his shoulder, thanks to Colorado, Florida and Tampa passing him up.
5. Dad's a TN native.
6. DP has always regretted letting Scott Stevens "get away".
7. No-neck played defense in the pros.
8. Practically EVERY SINGLE DRAFT OBSERVER says we got a steal picking him #4.
9. We will have the ability to try and get another forward in the FA market.
10. Said FA will probably be pretty good, and because of the time factor and the number of buyouts, we could land a decent forward.

In the words of that rodent from Hamilton, "Just chill."

ThirdManIn 06-30-2013 09:22 PM

The reason he picked Jones is because it's an odd numbered year :sarcasm:

But seriously, he picked the best player available. Nich very well could be the best of the bunch, but the question marks surrounding him make him less than appealing. Jones is 18, 6'4", over 200 pounds and, until Sakic came out and said they wouldn't be taking him, he was the consensus number 1 overall pick. I was disappointed when Barkov and Drouin were taken at 2 and 3, respectively, but Poile drafted the player he had to draft. It was probably the easiest decision of his career to be honest.

Mercalius 06-30-2013 09:29 PM

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Originally Posted by WartracePred (Post 68381671)
Very disappointed that we didn't get a franchise forward. But, no one can blame Poile. His job just became much more difficult. He has to convince UFAs that NSH is an attractive place for a high profile forward. Or he has to trade his dmen prospects for valuable forwards.

Brent Pettersen did mention that Jones will improve our scoring by replacing Suter's breakout ability. He said our forwards spent a ton of energy last season just trying to escape the defensive zone. Suter played a huge role getting the puck into and through the neutral zone. Jones and Josi together will more than replace Suter's value.

I think by having the defense we have on ice will be more than enticing for forwards, who felt overlooked/underpaid/under-appreciated by their previous teams to seriously give us consideration. They could be the star here, and that mixed with the studly goaltending and defense, surely will factor into their decision.

glenngineer 06-30-2013 09:31 PM

The other thing here is Poile is a wizard at drafting goalies and defensemen and picking up forwards via trades or free agency. The D is basically set. Pick up some forwards and we're doing just fine.

PredsV82 06-30-2013 09:44 PM

rewind to my post earlier this morning. Jones plays 2nd pair dman this fall. Immediate and permanent solution to our defense. As good as he is I seriously doubt Mac or Barkov will play #1 C this year. If poile can finagle two top 6 forwards we are right back to being as good as we were or better two seasons ago when we were legit contenders for the Cup.

with jones and with hourly to be a mentor, gill and his 2 million cap hit are gone, either by trade or buyout.

surely to goodness with 10 or 11 million in cap space and all of our now superfluous defense prospects poile can drum up two forwards

Mercalius 06-30-2013 09:53 PM

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Originally Posted by PredsV82 (Post 68386177)
rewind to my post earlier this morning. Jones plays 2nd pair dman this fall. Immediate and permanent solution to our defense. As good as he is I seriously doubt Mac or Barkov will play #1 C this year. If poile can finagle two top 6 forwards we are right back to being as good as we were or better two seasons ago when we were legit contenders for the Cup.

That's the thing that most of us, including myself, had a hard time understanding until the reality of what the Jones pick meant. We magically foresaw, in some ridiculous scenario, that a Barkov or Drouin (or even Mac) would've immediately solved our offensive woes - as a fresh high school graduate with no NHL experience. It wasn't realistic. We were all so eager to jump on the "Jones will need time to contribute" bandwagon, that we were willing to overlook the obvious - that those kids would too, because that did hopefully mean in a year or two we'd at least likely have the one thing we've lacked for so long, a consistent, scary forward.

Yet - like you said, Jones in a roundabout way addresses this problem. We still fill a need and we can throw what money we do have to spend at a guy who can step in immediately and likely contribute more than even Drouin or Barkov could during the 2013 season. Offensively, it may not be as sexy for the 2015-16 seasons as getting one of those kids, but if we have the money to spend and the right talent is available, I don't think anyone would argue that it's better for our immediate future - and with Jones on our roster - the whats and ifs about future trades and player acquisitions are so much in our favor that it's beyond ridiculous to even speculate.

He was exactly the one player out of the four I didn't want us to end up with, but now that it's happened, and I've put aside my own preferences and looked at the bigger picture - I realize it's very likely the best player we could have drafted for now, and for years down the road, and even if not, it's far better than parting with a vital asset to move up a spot or two or settle on a lesser talent "for need". I think we'll be more than happy 2 years down the road while a team or two that drafted ahead of us may be wanting to throw their GM under a bus.

Granlund2Pulkkinen* 06-30-2013 10:14 PM

I honestly don't think Jones makes it past a year in Nashville. He could be amazing trade fodder.

Machinehead 06-30-2013 10:19 PM

Like I said before, I generally believe in drafting need over BPA in general. But Jones was so far and away BPA at 4 that DP didn't really have a choice.

cleangene63 06-30-2013 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by jwhouk (Post 68383935)
1. There wasn't a franchise forward available.
2. We have a GM who has always drafted defense first.
3. He was the BPA (as was mentioned).
4. He has a huge chip on his shoulder, thanks to Colorado, Florida and Tampa passing him up.
5. Dad's a TN native.
6. DP has always regretted letting Scott Stevens "get away".
7. No-neck played defense in the pros.
8. Practically EVERY SINGLE DRAFT OBSERVER says we got a steal picking him #4.
9. We will have the ability to try and get another forward in the FA market.
10. Said FA will probably be pretty good, and because of the time factor and the number of buyouts, we could land a decent forward.

In the words of that rodent from Hamilton, "Just chill."

11. Preds new defensive specialist coach just coached the newest resident of Smashville to a World Hockey Junior Championship.

Caniac16 06-30-2013 11:06 PM

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Originally Posted by RaiderDoug (Post 68374795)
What would you have him do at #4 once the top 3 forwards were gone?

Lindholm isn't coming over until 14-15 at the earliest. Monahan has limited offensive upside. Nichushkin was such a hot prospect he went #10.

And where were the "immediate solutions" to be found in this draft? Even MacK and Drouin aren't exactly ready for 1st line minutes next year.

If Jones is ready, it at least will give us a puck mover on the 2nd pair - something that was a huge problem last year. It's hard to generate offense when your defenseman can't get the puck up ice.

Was just reading the boards from the teams in the top 5. You guys definitely made the right choice in Jones. But pretty sure Lindholm will be on the Hurricanes this upcoming season. Hopefully Lindholm turns out to be a better player then Seth :)

Jarnberg 06-30-2013 11:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jwhouk (Post 68383935)
1. There wasn't a franchise forward available.

This will be the new excuse thrown around these boards when it is discussed as to why Poile hasn't drafted a really good scorer. Before it was we never have top 5 picks and that is where you draft them.

Now it will be there were never franchise forwards where we drafted.

ThirdManIn 06-30-2013 11:29 PM

Which forward available at #4 was projected to be a franchise forward?

Sometimes things are definitely used as excuses. Sometimes "excuses" are reality.

NoNecksCurse 06-30-2013 11:36 PM

you guys are ridiculous.... poile could have been assertive and traded up..... or *gasp* .. trade down and pick up assets... he could have got a **** ton for our pick...

whatever the excuse.. we got jones. another defenseman... and im not anywhere near educated on the lower round guys but our next pick was another defenseman.

im gonna wait till free agency to make a judgement on poiles off-season moves. but im extremely disappointed tonight.


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