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PSGJ 07-01-2013 07:02 AM

What Jokerit joing the KHL means for Sweden.
 
I would imagine that there are two clubs especially that will follow Jokerit in the KHL closely. Djurgården and Malmö are both clubs with higher ambitions than being in Allsvenskan. If they are still there a few years from now and Jokerit is doing OK then I imagine they will join as well.

I wonder though, will they be able to compete considering the different levels of taxation? Or will they focus on getting players who don't want to live in Russia?

icing 07-01-2013 07:14 AM

Well, if Djurgården desides they can do without their core fans, so sure. And of course if they believe they would be able to "skip town" alive, so sure. I have such a hard time seeing a Stockholm club leaving for KHL. Stockholm has maybe the most conservative core fans in Sweden. Maybe the fact of "showing off in Europe" could be some kind of turn on for the Sthlm fans, but i doubt it.

Jonimaus 07-01-2013 07:15 AM

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Originally Posted by PSGJ (Post 68403811)
I would imagine that there are two clubs especially that will follow Jokerit in the KHL closely. Djurgården and Malmö are both clubs with higher ambitions than being in Allsvenskan. If they are still there a few years from now and Jokerit is doing OK then I imagine they will join as well.

I wonder though, will they be able to compete considering the different levels of taxation? Or will they focus on getting players who don't want to live in Russia?

Unless the KHL pays for 95% of Malmös budget they will fold within the 1st year of KHL. But yeah, the only swedish teams that would even consider joining KHL is teams that are either in allsvenskan without realistic chances of getting promoted anytime soon and/or in huge financial trouble.

Huffman 07-01-2013 07:24 AM

They would lose most of their fans if they joined the KHL

vorky 07-01-2013 07:30 AM

That is a message

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There can be an intresting strategy of luring euro clubs to KHL in future.

Rotenberg said: "We are going to buy arenas all over the Europe, the same "mechanism" as in Hartwall/Jokerit case" ... "We aquired Hartwall/Jokerit to join KHL" ... "We are looking at Germany, Sweden, Switzerland"

icing 07-01-2013 07:53 AM

And how are Rotenbergs figuring that a buy in Sweden would work?

They can only get 49% MAX in a Swedish club - the rest belongs to the members. And the arenas are in most cases owned by the cities, not the clubs.

vorky 07-01-2013 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by icing (Post 68404693)
And how are Rotenbergs figuring that a buy in Sweden would work?

They can only get 49% MAX in a Swedish club - the rest belongs to the members. And the arenas are in most cases owned by the cities, not the clubs.

Try to ask Rotenbergs :sarcasm:

Dosing 07-01-2013 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by vorky (Post 68405215)
Try to ask Rotenbergs :sarcasm:

So basically only big talk then? :laugh: suprise suprise

gretskidoo 07-01-2013 08:42 AM

Hopefully nothing.

QnebO 07-01-2013 12:08 PM

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Originally Posted by icing (Post 68404693)
And how are Rotenbergs figuring that a buy in Sweden would work?

They can only get 49% MAX in a Swedish club - the rest belongs to the members. And the arenas are in most cases owned by the cities, not the clubs.

They didin't buy Jokerit neither, just the Arena. They have option for buying part of Jokerit, but becoming biggest owner. And will sponsor some pengar.

Jussi 07-01-2013 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by QnebO (Post 68416755)
They didin't buy Jokerit neither, just the Arena. They have option for buying part of Jokerit, but becoming biggest owner. And will sponsor some pengar.

Only a small part. Harkimo will have to find the sponsors himself.

Pentothal 07-01-2013 12:32 PM

Disgusting by Jokerit IMO. Aren't they with IFK the most classic team in Finland?

And DIF wouldn't go, too regionally anchored. But even if they did they, they wouldn't lose fans. You just don't leave Djurgårdsfamiljen, and survive long enough to tell the story :sarcasm:

But really, DIF is football + hockey and I doubt many fans would abandon the sports altogether, because DIF hockey moved to the KHL.

Jonimaus 07-01-2013 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pentothal (Post 68418119)
Disgusting by Jokerit IMO. Aren't they with IFK the most classic team in Finland?

And DIF wouldn't go, too regionally anchored. But even if they did they, they wouldn't lose fans. You just don't leave Djurgårdsfamiljen, and survive long enough to tell the story :sarcasm:

But really, DIF is football + hockey and I doubt many fans would abandon the sports altogether, because DIF hockey moved to the KHL.

On the other hand, you don't move clubs like AIK and DIF without it being the absolute only way out and live long enough to finalize the deal. :sarcasm:

Muuri 07-01-2013 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Pentothal (Post 68418119)
Disgusting by Jokerit IMO. Aren't they with IFK the most classic team in Finland?

And DIF wouldn't go, too regionally anchored. But even if they did they, they wouldn't lose fans. You just don't leave Djurgårdsfamiljen, and survive long enough to tell the story :sarcasm:

But really, DIF is football + hockey and I doubt many fans would abandon the sports altogether, because DIF hockey moved to the KHL.

Not really. Ilves, Tappara and TPS are more classic.

Jussi 07-01-2013 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Muuri (Post 68421883)
Not really. Ilves, Tappara and TPS are more classic.

They are the biggest in the media attention they get and their rivalry is the biggest in Finland.

supermasif 07-01-2013 02:52 PM

Don't think it will mean that much.

It will probably dilute the SM - Liga and more finnish fringe KHL players will probably move to swedish clubs.

Muuri 07-02-2013 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jussi (Post 68423381)
They are the biggest in the media attention they get and their rivalry is the biggest in Finland.

Still, Ilves, Tappara and TPS have more tradition.

pulverapa 07-02-2013 11:32 AM

If you look at the current situation in Stockholm, there is a big problem with the arena. Stockholm City owns the arena but its on lease to a company called Anschutz Sports Entertainment, AEG. This company is about to kill hockey in Stockholm as we speak. Take Djurgården Hockey for example, they have to rent the arena for about 20.000€ every game and when inside, 95% of everything be sold inside (not merchandise or tickets) goes directly to AEG. That means Djurgården is losing 2-3 million € annually. That's alot for a team playing in the 2nd league. This year, with the team almost being in a financial crisis, the player budget is about 1 million €. AEG has 20 years left on it's Arena contract with the City so the situation does not look like it will change over the next two decades - making an KHL transfer impossible.

vorky 07-02-2013 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by pulverapa (Post 68471283)
If you look at the current situation in Stockholm, there is a big problem with the arena. Stockholm City owns the arena but its on lease to a company called Anschutz Sports Entertainment, AEG. This company is about to kill hockey in Stockholm as we speak. Take Djurgården Hockey for example, they have to rent the arena for about 20.000€ every game and when inside, 95% of everything be sold inside (not merchandise or tickets) goes directly to AEG. That means Djurgården is losing 2-3 million € annually. That's alot for a team playing in the 2nd league. This year, with the team almost being in a financial crisis, the player budget is about 1 million €. AEG has 20 years left on it's Arena contract with the City so the situation does not look like it will change over the next two decades - making an KHL transfer impossible.

Globen or Hovet are you talking about? Can AEG delegate the lease to 3rd subject?

Jussi 07-02-2013 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Muuri (Post 68458055)
Still, Ilves, Tappara and TPS have more tradition.

Tradition is all Ilves has these days...

If anyone's wondering why Kummola allowed Jokerit to join KHL, it was a two-way deal. KHL will support a European Champions league as a favor, as per Aleksandr Medvedev: http://www.mtv3.fi/urheilu/jaakiekko...ista-keskenaan

According to Kummola there would be 4 Russian KHL team and 4 non-Russian KHl teams involved, the total number of teams or league format (other than not a tournament) hasn't been decided yet.

Jonimaus 07-02-2013 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by vorky (Post 68471979)
Globen or Hovet are you talking about? Can AEG delegate the lease to 3rd subject?

Must be Hovet. As far as I remember Globen is only rented by them when there was a derby against AIK or something else special.

And seriously. Enough with the champions league hockey. Is there actually any country that cares about it? :facepalm:

Darth Yoda 07-02-2013 11:21 PM

Hopefully it means that Frölunda Indians will soon join too. Not that it matters since the two Stockholm clubs fans still wont jump fences if one of them joins, but since there are only one club here we have great chances of surviving in the KHL. Rotenberg buys our arena, then we start attracting fans from the whole middle-country, making our income bigger, buy back Fredrik Pettersson and most other KHL-swedes, keep some others that otherwise would go to the KHL and even maybe attract some on-the-fence NHL-AHL guys to either stay longer, or stay permanently.

Jonimaus 07-03-2013 07:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Yoda (Post 68531687)
Hopefully it means that Frölunda Indians will soon join too. Not that it matters since the two Stockholm clubs fans still wont jump fences if one of them joins, but since there are only one club here we have great chances of surviving in the KHL. Rotenberg buys our arena, then we start attracting fans from the whole middle-country, making our income bigger, buy back Fredrik Pettersson and most other KHL-swedes, keep some others that otherwise would go to the KHL and even maybe attract some on-the-fence NHL-AHL guys to either stay longer, or stay permanently.

Yeah good luck with that.

Darth Yoda 07-03-2013 11:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Jonimaus (Post 68546879)
Yeah good luck with that.

Yeah. But lets put it like this: I'm a Penguins fan as well as a Frölunda fan. Or lets go to Wilkes Barre/Scranton, Pennsylvania: They're both baby pens and Pittsburgh Penguins fans.
Lets just wait to the situation when Frölunda of the KHL boasts say eight players on the Euro Hockey Tour team, who are you to tell aforemost really young fans to NOT root for the premiere hockey team in the country?
Those who are against KHL expension in Europe, are against Europes ability to keep as good players here as possible. And while they're allready here(In the KHL), then why dont have at least those swedes in our own country?
Make no mistake, the economic power in european hockey is in Russia, now expanding to western europe.

Jussi 07-03-2013 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Darth Yoda (Post 68531687)
Hopefully it means that Frölunda Indians will soon join too. Not that it matters since the two Stockholm clubs fans still wont jump fences if one of them joins, but since there are only one club here we have great chances of surviving in the KHL. Rotenberg buys our arena, then we start attracting fans from the whole middle-country, making our income bigger, buy back Fredrik Pettersson and most other KHL-swedes, keep some others that otherwise would go to the KHL and even maybe attract some on-the-fence NHL-AHL guys to either stay longer, or stay permanently.

He's interested in more modern arenas than Scandinavium.


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