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Ovechking 07-01-2013 08:57 AM

FLA/EDM - Offense for Defense
 
To Edmonton:
Dmitri Kulikov
Jose Theodore

To Florida:
Jordan Eberle
++??

roboninja 07-01-2013 09:01 AM

Theodore is a UFA. Why are we giving up something to get him?

Fist of Fury 07-01-2013 09:01 AM

Jose Theodore is UFA.

Ovechking 07-01-2013 09:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roboninja (Post 68404897)
Theodore is a UFA. Why are we giving up something to get him?

The deal is essentially Eberle for Dmitri Kulikov, with the Panthers adding in the trade for Theodore's signing rights. Gives us some security in being able to sign him before FA starts.

Trafalgar McLaw 07-01-2013 09:06 AM

What has Kulikov done exactly to warrant a player of Eberle's calibre? Maybe something like Gagner+ for Kulikov+, but Eberle is a proven first liner. Jose Theodore literally has 0 value.

roboninja 07-01-2013 09:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ovechking (Post 68404927)
The deal is essentially Eberle for Dmitri Kulikov, with the Panthers adding in the trade for Theodore's signing rights. Gives us some security in being able to sign him before FA starts.

Then it is horrible value. Kulikov does not net you Eberle. Then you added pluses in EDM's side?

IceManCat 07-01-2013 09:14 AM

your an Oiler fan? lol

Ovechking 07-01-2013 10:28 AM

Sorry, folks. Just tossing an idea out. Feel free to add to it or adjust it to make it more fair.

Kulikov + Goc for Eberle?

gudzilla 07-01-2013 10:59 AM

since florida picked barkov, i dont think anyone really believes kulikov is expendable

Android 16 07-01-2013 11:28 AM

No thanks, Kulikov is staying put.

thadd 07-01-2013 12:57 PM

Florida can't afford to give him up.

Edmonton doesn't want to part with Eberle.

Oil fans might be willing to say that it's a fair deal if Florida adds something equivalent to 20-30% of the value of Kulikov. I donno. I'm crazy.

Fourier 07-01-2013 01:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ovechking (Post 68407895)
Sorry, folks. Just tossing an idea out. Feel free to add to it or adjust it to make it more fair.

Kulikov + Goc for Eberle?

You are not going to add a few pieces to make this work. Value wise the Oilers get the short straw for sure, but the starting point of the trade does not really make sense for either team. I'll comment from an Oiler perspective an let the Florida people make their own case for why trading away a defenseman of Kulikov's calibre may not be so wise.

The Oilers are not some offensive juggernaut that can roll on without a guy like Eberle. And while Kulikov is an excellent young defensemen I am not sure that having just drafted NUrse this is the type of deal they want to look at.

Kulikov is a left handed defenseman. At this point the Oilers have Smid, N. Schultz, Klefbom, Marincin, Nurse, Davidson, Gernat, Simpson, Laleggia all on the left side. (Belov is a lefty who plays on the right). There has also been talk of Paul Ranger possibly in Edmonton. So while Kulikov would be a great addition, he is not needed at the cost of Eberle going forward.

oilers84 07-01-2013 01:15 PM

To fla
Gags
Smid
2nd 2014


To edm
Bjugstad
Gudbranson

Brock Radunske 07-01-2013 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oilers84 (Post 68417169)
To fla
Gags
Smid
2nd 2014


To edm
Bjugstad
Gudbranson

Seriously...?
That's terrible for Florida.

AwesomePanthers 07-01-2013 01:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oilers84 (Post 68417169)
To fla
Gags
Smid
2nd 2014


To edm
Bjugstad
Gudbranson



You are offering crap for our best "prospects", well done!

Howboutthempanthers 07-01-2013 02:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oilers84 (Post 68417169)
To fla
Gags
Smid
2nd 2014


To edm
Bjugstad
Gudbranson

I guess you only want to get into fights with Panthers fans.

belair 07-01-2013 02:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AwesomePanthers (Post 68419153)
You are offering crap for our best "prospects", well done!

First off, that isn't 'crap'.

Secondly, while you should value your prospects highly (even though Gudbranson isn't techmically a prospect), that trade would set the Oilers back several years. Losing a young NHL veteran centre and their top defensive defenseman would hurt immensely. Moving them for a defenseman with high draft pedigree and a big centre prospect is essentially like throwing your money into a wishing well and hoping for immediate success.

AwesomePanthers 07-01-2013 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belair (Post 68420641)
First off, that isn't 'crap'.

Secondly, while you should value your prospects highly (even though Gudbranson isn't techmically a prospect), that trade would set the Oilers back several years. Losing a young NHL veteran centre and their top defensive defenseman would hurt immensely. Moving them for a defenseman with high draft pedigree and a big centre prospect is essentially like throwing your money into a wishing well and hoping for immediate success.

Smid your top defenseman? Ouch..

Gudbrason is gonna be a beast, and is a righthanded shooter, which aren't too many off.

Bjugstad has already played a couple of NHL games to get a feeling for the NHL.

If you don't think Florida gets bent over in that deal, you're delusional.

Gagner has been thrown into every Oilers trade, and there is a good reason for it.

MikeModano9 07-01-2013 02:29 PM

Eberle didn't even have a bad year, He just didn't play like himself and a lot had to do with this fact he played a long stretch with a big cast on his finger because of a broken finger. I really Like Kulikov but Oilers added more? Doesn't make sense.

gizmo12688 07-01-2013 02:41 PM

Florida and Edmonton are not good trading partners. Move along.

FrolikFan67 07-01-2013 03:27 PM

kulikov for eberle? sure! i love eberle and an Huberdeau-Barkov-Eberle line would be something. i love kulikov too but for eberle, no doubt i make that trade. you can take shore too if you want or something along those lines.

belair 07-01-2013 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AwesomePanthers (Post 68421347)
Smid your top defenseman? Ouch..

"top defensive defenseman." As in blocking shots, shutting down the other team's top line, PK time...you know...Defense.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AwesomePanthers (Post 68421347)
Gagner has been thrown into every Oilers trade, and there is a good reason for it.

Gagner has been thrown around in a lot of proposals because he is approaching UFA status and Edmonton supposedly needs size in their top six. He's been a consistent ~45 point scorer since he was 18 years old.

He's already Stephen Weiss and he's only 23 years old.

Quote:

Originally Posted by AwesomePanthers (Post 68421347)
If you don't think Florida gets bent over in that deal, you're delusional.

My post has nothing to do with Florida's valuation of the trade. I was simply stating that it would set back Edmonton several years of development. You can't deny that.

But I will point out that Gudbranson isn't a surefire top pairing guy when you consider how he's trended so far. Draft pedigree is one thing, but a career -41 in his first 100 NHL games is surely something to be worried about.

shizan 07-01-2013 03:41 PM

Eberle for Kulikov from an oiler fan. WOW. Why not put Hall for Jovanovski as well???

CoolburnIsGone 07-01-2013 09:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belair (Post 68425655)
But I will point out that Gudbranson isn't a surefire top pairing guy when you consider how he's trended so far. Draft pedigree is one thing, but a career -41 in his first 100 NHL games is surely something to be worried about.

This argument keeps being brought up when discussing Gudbranson. Plus/minus isn't always the best judge of any player. I had previously found a link that showed the stats of a lot of young defenders first 100 games. What I saw in that was a lot of guys who are/were top pairing guys in their prime who started out with some pretty bad plus/minus numbers. Guys like Hamrlik, Orpik, etc all started their career as -30 or worse and we know how these guys developed. So no his plus/minus isn't really something to be concerned about at all.

Mogo 07-01-2013 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by oilers84 (Post 68417169)
To fla
Gags
Smid
2nd 2014


To edm
Bjugstad
Gudbranson

Versteeg
Weaver
2nd 2014
for
RNH
Klefblom


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