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Heaton 07-02-2013 06:38 PM

Prices likely too high; Wings may well decide to go with what they've got
 
http://www.freep.com/article/2013070...TS05/307020109

Quote:

General manager Ken Holland is continuing talks with his other two UFA forwards, Daniel Cleary and Damien Brunner, and the negotiations are close enough that deals could still happen.
Knew this would happen. This would be a great scenario if Samuelsson, Bertuzzi and Cleary weren't coming back. But that won't happen - brace yourself for a full season of a lineup with Cleary, Samuelsson and Bertuzzi in the top 6.

Good game.

ricky0034 07-02-2013 06:41 PM

:laugh:

SportsballChic 07-02-2013 06:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heaton (Post 68499727)
http://www.freep.com/article/2013070...TS05/307020109



Knew this would happen. This would be a great scenario if Samuelsson, Bertuzzi and Cleary weren't coming back. But that won't happen - brace yourself for a full season of a lineup with Cleary, Samuelsson and Bertuzzi in the top 6.

Good game.

I would link to my series of articles predicting exactly this with dates on them and everything but:

A) against forum rules

B) **** it, too depressed :(

cupforwings09 07-02-2013 06:43 PM

Wow. I can't believe they don't do anything.... i guess the upside is they plan on bringing up Jurco, Sheahan and Ferarro next year (and probably parts of this year)...... I don't know though

Henkka 07-02-2013 06:44 PM

Clarkson wants, 7 years 6.0 million per
Horton wants, 5 years, 6.0 million per (wants to be at warm south)
Filppula wants, 8 years, 5.5 million per
Bozak wants, 7 years, 5.0 million per

This freaking market is going to be insane. Players revenge from the lockout?

Big Poppa Puck 07-02-2013 06:45 PM

I'll wait a few weeks to see what actually happens before I start *****ing.

Heaton 07-02-2013 06:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henkka (Post 68500553)
Clarkson wants, 7 years 6.0 million per
Horton wants, 5 years, 6.0 million per (wants to be at warm south)
Filppula wants, 8 years, 5.5 million per
Bozak wants, 7 years, 5.0 per

This freaking market is going to be insane.

I'm more frustrated with the fact that he most likely won't get rid of Samuelsson, Cleary or Bertuzzi. No reason to dump them now.

Austin Wings Fan 07-02-2013 06:47 PM

I asked St. James via twitter if the Wings' indecision on the Samuelsson buyout was related to his health or the forward glut. No response from Helene yet, but I can't imagine a scenario where keeping Samuelsson is a good idea.

At this point, if the Wings re-sign Brunner and let Cleary and Fil walk, I won't be beyond furious, unless one of the FA targets signs for something very reasonable.

I'm ok with not chasing Clarkson at those prices, and 5 years was too long on Lecavalier, although it was fun to think about.

However, I can't justify bringing Cleary and Samuelsson back next year. If they let Brunner walk and bring back Cleary + keep Sammy, I will lose it.

Cyborg Yzerberg 07-02-2013 06:50 PM

I'm livid. Holland is one of the worst gm's in UFA season. That VL4 contract is not bad at all. **** Holland. God Damn.

we like our team* 07-02-2013 06:50 PM

i smiled a big stupid smile when i saw the thread title

RedWingsNow* 07-02-2013 06:51 PM

Helen St. James is pathetic.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=i&rct=...72891854279197

Henkka 07-02-2013 06:51 PM

Keep everybody? Sign Brunner.

Mule - Z - Brunner
Bert - D - Nyquist
Akader - Helm - Sammy
Miller - Andersson - Tatar
(Eaves - Emmerton - Tootoo)

Kronwall - Ericsson
Quincey - Kindl
DeKeyser - Smith
(Lashoff)
(Colaiacovo?)

Howard
Gustavsson

This is pretty funny, but we have the guys already. Just let Flip and Cleary walk.

mottjm7 07-02-2013 06:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heaton (Post 68500791)
I'm more frustrated with the fact that he most likely won't get rid of Samuelsson, Cleary or Bertuzzi. No reason to dump them now.

Still cant figure out their love affair with Sammy.

Rather use the roster space for regular roles for Tatar and Nyquist

Ricelund 07-02-2013 06:52 PM

Shocker!

RedWingsNow* 07-02-2013 06:52 PM

She's paid to report. Ask some questions. Get answers.
Not give us Holland's PR
http://www.brianhayes.com/pics/define-journalism.jpg

we like our team* 07-02-2013 06:53 PM

i think that quote applies more to real journalism than sports journalism

RedWingsNow* 07-02-2013 06:53 PM

Why couldn't we offer 3 years, $6M a year?
Buy out Sammy. Dump some crap.

Number1RedWingsFan52 07-02-2013 06:54 PM

LMAO I knew Holland would'nt do any thing, The cap could be as high as $80 million in 3 to 5 years and Holland still wont spend to put a marketable team on the ice Why are'nt we surprised.:shakehead

mindfly 07-02-2013 06:54 PM

You seriously have to wonder if Illitch is going all in on the Tigers and is telling Holland to keep the wings payroll as low as possible (but still good enough to make the playoffs to generate them big dollars)

The Zetterberg Era 07-02-2013 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedWingsNow (Post 68501715)
She's paid to report. Ask some questions. Get answers.
Not give us Holland's PR
http://www.brianhayes.com/pics/define-journalism.jpg

Exactly how I'm starting to feel about her. She seems to be just getting worse and worse, when is the last time her reporting didn't just sound like Ken Holland telling her what to write?

Big Poppa Puck 07-02-2013 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cyborg Yzerman (Post 68501309)
I'm livid. Holland is one of the worst gm's in UFA season. That VL4 contract is not bad at all. **** Holland. God Damn.

The money is fine, the term is terrible. He's 33 and he got 5 years and a Full NMC.

I woulda went 5m per for 3 years tops.

Henkka 07-02-2013 06:56 PM

Quote:

Helene St. James ‏@HeleneStJames 7m

#RedWings would have given Vincent Lecavalier $4.5 million per, but for two years, not five. Too much term for 34 YO with slow pace.
Two years. That was the problem and that was their plan. Bring the kids in after those years and the term didn't fit.

Number1RedWingsFan52 07-02-2013 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Henkka (Post 68501541)
Keep everybody? Sign Brunner.

Mule - Z - Brunner
Bert - D - Nyquist
Akader - Helm - Sammy
Miller - Andersson - Tatar
(Eaves - Emmerton - Tootoo)

Kronwall - Ericsson
Quincey - Kindl
DeKeyser - Smith
(Lashoff)
(Colaiacovo?)

Howard
Gustavsson

This is pretty funny, but we have the guys already. Just let Flip and Cleary walk.

Yeah that's a real Stanley Cup winning team, Not.

Jussha 07-02-2013 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heaton (Post 68499727)
http://www.freep.com/article/2013070...TS05/307020109



Knew this would happen. This would be a great scenario if Samuelsson, Bertuzzi and Cleary weren't coming back. But that won't happen - brace yourself for a full season of a lineup with Cleary, Samuelsson and Bertuzzi in the top 6.

Good game.

this makes me really sad. I'm ok with us not pursuing Vinny if it meant "lets give the kids a real shot" and see what we got, versus lets keep these old vets around and not give the kids a shot.

I honestly don't get it. If we sign Weiss to a 5 yr 25 million deal too, I don't get it. Like Babcock loves size, does Holland think that Babs rather have Weiss than Vinny? I mean maybe he does, but I find it hard to believe that if Kenny said to Babs I can get you either Weiss or Vinny, that Babs is choosing Weiss

is it too late for the compliance buyouts? does that mean for sure Sammy still on the roster next season?

Flowah 07-02-2013 06:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cupforwings09 (Post 68500293)
Wow. I can't believe they don't do anything.... i guess the upside is they plan on bringing up Jurco, Sheahan and Ferarro next year (and probably parts of this year)...... I don't know though

By next year, you mean 2014-2015, right?

Quote:

Prices likely too high; Wings may well decide to go with what they've got
This is the same song and dance we've heard and are going to continue hearing. Yay.

This is as predictable as James Cameron's Avatar.


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