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WhiskeySeven 07-03-2013 01:20 PM

PK Subban makes NHL first-team all-stars
 
This is a big honour and will go a long way to making his statement for the HoF when his career winds down. Congrats PK!

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=6...id=DL|NHL|home

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Joining Ovechkin and Crosby on the First All-Star team are four first-timers -- Penguins left wing Chris Kunitz, defensemen P.K. Subban of the Montreal Canadiens and Ryan Suter of the Minnesota Wild, and Columbus Blue Jackets goaltender Sergei Bobrovsky.

Kunitz led all left wings with 22 goals and 52 points. Subban tied for the lead among all NHL defensemen with 38 points, was second with 11 goals, and won his first Norris Trophy. Suter played more minutes than any player in the League, was third among blueliners with 32 points and was a Norris finalist.

Bob b smith 07-03-2013 01:22 PM

Oh no. **** storm incoming on the main board. lol

Le depisteur 07-03-2013 01:25 PM

It's logical, he won the Norris... The opposite would have been a shocking one...

Habs 4 Life 07-03-2013 01:27 PM

NHL :shakehead

WhiskeySeven 07-03-2013 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Erik Estrada (Post 68567683)
Oh no. **** storm incoming on the main board. lol

Most people are furious that Ovechkin made both the first team and the second team all-stars that they forgot about PK.

poetryinmotion 07-03-2013 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by WhiskeySeven (Post 68568035)
Most people are furious that Ovechkin made both the first team and the second team all-stars that they forgot about PK.

Yep LOL

feelsgoodman

Talks to Goalposts 07-03-2013 01:49 PM

Sadly, I think the PHWA voting shows that Subban was probably the right choice for the Norris which may have been made for entirely wrong reasons.

poetryinmotion 07-03-2013 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Talks to Goalposts (Post 68569411)
Sadly, I think the PHWA voting shows that Subban was probably the right choice for the Norris which may have been made for entirely wrong reasons.

How does this even reflect on the Norris exactly?

Talks to Goalposts 07-03-2013 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by poetryinmotion (Post 68569727)
How does this even reflect on the Norris exactly?

The same guys who vote for the Norris vote for the all-star teams.

that is unfortunate 07-03-2013 01:57 PM

Only in the NHL a player makes both all star teams :shakehead

poetryinmotion 07-03-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Talks to Goalposts (Post 68569945)
The same guys who vote for the Norris vote for the all-star teams.

So then all the awards are invalid? Is this what you're saying here?

Yes, some writers made a glaring mistake in the all-star voting, no need to make a bigger deal out of this than it really is.

Claimed Off Waivers 07-03-2013 02:04 PM

His selection is tainted because it was a 48 game season, but everyone else was deserving. :sarcasm:

Talks to Goalposts 07-03-2013 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by poetryinmotion (Post 68570025)
So then all the awards are invalid? Is this what you're saying here?

Yes, some writers made a glaring mistake in the all-star voting, no need to make a bigger deal out of this than it really is.

I think that there are a number of incompetents in the PHWA's voters which drags down the legitimacy of the awards.

That's said, I think Subban deserved the Norris. I just think there would have been a number of people voting for him for the wrong reasons. But there are also a number of people who voted for Suter for the wrong reasons as well, way to much weight got put on ice-time per game this year.

poetryinmotion 07-03-2013 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Talks to Goalposts (Post 68570913)
I think that there are a number of incompetents in the PHWA's voters which drags down the legitimacy of the awards.

That's said, I think Subban deserved the Norris. I just think there would have been a number of people voting for him for the wrong reasons. But there are also a number of people who voted for Suter for the wrong reasons as well, way to much weight got put on ice-time per game this year.

I don't doubt that you thought Subban deserved the Norris, I just wanted to challenge the notion that the AS selection fiasco should cast a shadow on the voting process as a whole.

Here is something worth considering, quoted from main board:

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The info coming out about the voting process is pretty funny and sad. This is based on the digging @mc79hockey did.

Voting starts April 20th before the season is over. Of course we all knew already the NHL doesn't care about the last week or so of one of the most competitive seasons ever coming down to the wire for many teams to make the playoffs.

The NHL tells voters to use nhl.com to determine player positions, and even now, OV is listed as a LW on the site.

And, the memo to consider OV a RW doesn't come out until the 22nd after many have voted.

This doesn't completely excuse people that voted OV as LW without first questioning why the NHL had him listed as LW, but it certainly shows the NHL is partially to blame for this embarrassment. This is also likely why they don't change the results. They know they messed up and just have to leave it as is.
So in reality, its not all on the PHWA, and it has nothing to do with the Norris.

Pegasus 07-03-2013 02:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Le depisteur (Post 68567891)
It's logical, he won the Norris... The opposite would have been a shocking one...

Exactely, oh the Norris winner is not on the all star team, makes sense ... :D

simplysincere* 07-03-2013 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by whiskeyseven (Post 68567541)
this is a big honour and will go a long way to making his statement for the hof

lol! :facepalm:

Talks to Goalposts 07-03-2013 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by poetryinmotion (Post 68571491)
I don't doubt that you thought Subban deserved the Norris, I just wanted to challenge the notion that the AS selection fiasco should cast a shadow on the voting process as a whole.

Here is something worth considering, quoted from main board:



So in reality, its not all on the PHWA, and it has nothing to do with the Norris.

If it was an isolated incident sure.

But its not. There is a persistent tendency towards silliness in PHWA voting. Like guys getting votes for numbers earned by being supporting cast to superstars (Dupuis and Kunitz this year). Or Norris and Selke votes based on context free use of +/- which happens every season. There seems to be enough incompetents who phone in their votes that the process is somewhat tainted.

Brainiac 07-03-2013 02:36 PM

But, but, but... who's gonna kill penalties on the all-star team? :sarcasm:

poetryinmotion 07-03-2013 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Talks to Goalposts (Post 68572617)
If it was an isolated incident sure.

But its not. There is a persistent tendency towards silliness in PHWA voting. Like guys getting votes for numbers earned by being supporting cast to superstars (Dupuis and Kunitz this year). Or Norris and Selke votes based on context free use of +/- which happens every season. There seems to be enough incompetents who phone in their votes that the process is somewhat tainted.

No doubt you are right.

They aren't all bad though one has to hope, at least not the majority of them.

It's a shame this had to happen.

MonkeyBusiness 07-03-2013 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by zeronine (Post 68572329)
lol! :facepalm:

Uhh P.k has the talent to be a HOF player, if his career isn't derailed he will get ino the HOF.

JLP 07-03-2013 02:47 PM

Congratulations PK!

I'd guess PK's agent is delighted and Bergevin has mixed feelings re the next contract.

Genesis76 07-03-2013 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by MonkeyBusiness (Post 68572973)
Uhh P.k has the talent to be a HOF player, if his career isn't derailed he will get ino the HOF.

No doubt hes an inspiration for young kids specially those less fortunate.

Bold statement: P.K. Subban will have a trophy named after him one day.

Talks to Goalposts 07-03-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by poetryinmotion (Post 68572891)
No doubt you are right.

They aren't all bad though one has to hope, at least not the majority of them.

It's a shame this had to happen.

Seeing how the voting breaks down each year, I'd say at least about half of them are pretty good. They can at least parrot back the consensus, which tend to be fairly reasonable, if still somewhat flawed.

There seems to be a solid fringe group of idiots with a ballot though. Which is why I think the process needs to become transparent so their will be efforts to weed them out.

Genesis76 07-03-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by JLP (Post 68573531)
Congratulations PK!

I'd guess PK's agent is delighted and Bergevin has mixed feelings re the next contract.

Id easily give 12 millions/year and the C to P.K. and trade Price while he has value to save on the cap.

A franchise player is a franchise player.

WeThreeKings 07-03-2013 03:35 PM

Does anyone know if they put an asterisk by his name?

* denotes season where Karlsson was injured.


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