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MiamiScreamingEagles 07-05-2013 06:44 PM

Part IX: Free Agency Signing Period Discussion and Rumors
 
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Curufinwe 07-05-2013 06:48 PM

I like this from Homer:

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We made a couple tough decisions with Danny and Ilya but I think we improved our team a lot,” Holmgren said. “We added a very good puck-moving defenseman who is going to help our team a lot and bring a lot to our back end. We added one of the better players in the NHL in my opinion in Vinny Lecavalier. Having him play in the middle for us either with Claude [Giroux] or with Sean [Couturier] as a 1-2-3 punch makes [both players] better just by him being there. Maybe he can play right wing or left wing with one of those guys from time to time. It gives us more looks and more options for our coach to try.
http://flyers.nhl.com/club/blogpost.htm?id=18899

Mr Black 07-05-2013 06:52 PM

^^^Nice

3Fs 07-05-2013 07:01 PM

Sweet, he mentioned Couts in there which means probably staying =)

Broad Street Elite 07-05-2013 07:07 PM

That statement has a very interesting use (or misuse) of the word OR when talking about Giroux and Couturier. Shouldn't it be AND when referencing 3 players in a 1-2-3 combination? Not sure what it means.

Edit: never mind. In re-reading it, he's referring to the notion that He could play a 1 or a 2 W for G or Sean. Silly notion until Sean improves in the circle.

Jtown 07-05-2013 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by 3Fs (Post 68792417)
Sweet, he mentioned Couts in there which means probably staying =)

I cant wait to see pinnochio's tweet about couturier being trade bait.

Damn i hope couturier has a big year. I really want to see a step forward with his offense.

flyershockey 07-05-2013 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Curufinwe (Post 68790863)

Homer sounds calm and rational right now. It's almost like he's a GM with a plan.

Stizzle 07-05-2013 07:21 PM

Can any of you cap experts answer me a question, please? If we go into the season without making any more major moves with the roster listed below, are we cap compliant?

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Lecavlier - Simmonds
Laughton - Couturier - Read
Talbot - Hall - Rinaldo
x- Rosehill

Timonen - Schenn
Streit - Coburn
Gustafsson - Grossmann
x- Meszaros
x- Gervais

Mason
Emery

(Pronger on LTIR)

Alchemy 07-05-2013 07:22 PM

Looks like Mez is staying. Laughton goes back to junior. That clears some cap space. Pronger on LTIR helps us. Looks like the lineup is set.

chinatown81592 07-05-2013 07:22 PM

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 43s

WPG sends 2nd round pick in 2014 to MIN for Devin Setoguchi.

Alchemy 07-05-2013 07:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Stizzle (Post 68794791)
Can any of you cap experts answer me a question, please? If we go into the season without making any more major moves with the roster listed below, are we cap compliant?

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Lecavlier - Simmonds
Laughton - Couturier - Read
Talbot - Hall - Rinaldo
x- Rosehill

Timonen - Schenn
Streit - Coburn
Gustafsson - Grossmann
x- Meszaros
x- Gervais

Mason
Emery

(Pronger on LTIR)

Sending Laughton to juniors makes us cap compliant. As we start getting more cap dollars from the accumulative affect LTIR has I bet McGinn gets called up. Gervais probably gets waived.

chinatown81592 07-05-2013 07:33 PM

Iginla to Boston :laugh:

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 15s

Jarome Iginla is a Boston Bruin.

PALE PWNR 07-05-2013 07:39 PM

Matt Cooke out of the East! Signs with Minny

The Couturier Effect 07-05-2013 07:40 PM

Matt Cooke to the Wild. Good riddance *******.

GKJ 07-05-2013 07:41 PM

Waive Gervais. His presence is not needed.

FlyingPhilly 07-05-2013 07:42 PM

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Originally Posted by chinatown81592 (Post 68796309)
Iginla to Boston :laugh:

Bob McKenzie ‏@TSNBobMcKenzie 15s

Jarome Iginla is a Boston Bruin.

This is hilarious. Wonder how that conversation went. :laugh:

Stizzle 07-05-2013 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Alchemy (Post 68796187)
Sending Laughton to juniors makes us cap compliant. As we start getting more cap dollars from the accumulative affect LTIR has I bet McGinn gets called up. Gervais probably gets waived.

Ok, so if Gervais is in the AHL or waived, Laughton can make the team and we are compliant?

Johnny Walker 07-05-2013 07:50 PM

1 year $6 million for Iginla in Boston.

Jeeeez that seems a little steep.

3Fs 07-05-2013 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GiggityGiggityGoo (Post 68799299)
1 year $6 million for Iginla in Boston.

Jeeeez that seems a little steep.

I am sooooo glad we signed VL before todays overpaying BS happened....seriously 6mil?? wth, Been better off just giving Norton what he asked for..woulda been cheaper.

CS 07-05-2013 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stizzle (Post 68794791)
Can any of you cap experts answer me a question, please? If we go into the season without making any more major moves with the roster listed below, are we cap compliant?

Hartnell - Giroux - Voracek
Schenn - Lecavlier - Simmonds
Laughton - Couturier - Read
Talbot - Hall - Rinaldo
x- Rosehill

Timonen - Schenn
Streit - Coburn
Gustafsson - Grossmann
x- Meszaros
x- Gervais

Mason
Emery

(Pronger on LTIR)

Yes, we are cap compliant.

Alchemy 07-05-2013 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Stizzle (Post 68798403)
Ok, so if Gervais is in the AHL or waived, Laughton can make the team and we are compliant?

We are 1mil over the cap. We still wouldn't be cap compliant. I doubt Laughton makes the roster.

NHLAlert 07-05-2013 07:59 PM

How long do RFA's have to accecpt a teams offer?

kudymen 07-05-2013 08:02 PM

Fingers crossed for a Letang - Iginla fight next season

GoneFullHextall 07-05-2013 08:03 PM

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Originally Posted by GKJ (Post 68797815)
Waive Gervais. His presence is not needed.

but, but hes a better option then Gus :biglaugh:

Appleyard 07-05-2013 08:05 PM

After the end of the last thread I was thinking about Hamonic vs Schenn, and how much better Hamonic actually was, and if we would be better with Hamonic than Schenn... so I did some digging:

In reply to Hamonic vs Schenn:

I know a lot of people are reluctant to accept advanced stats, but I do believe they are useful when all considered together, with other things considered as well.

This year:

Hamonic:

TOI per 60: 18.16 Rel QOC: 0.991, QOC: 0.732, Relative Corsi: -11.4, Off Zone start: 45.9 Off Zone finish: 43.8

SH TOI: 2.44 PP TOI: 1.14

PPG: (last 3 years) 0.33, 27 PPY

Hits: 59 Blocked Shots: 109


Schenn:

TOI per 60: 17.88 Rel QOC: 0.683, QOC: 1.320, Relative Corsi: 6.9, Off Zone start: 45.8 Off Zone finish: 47.8

SH TOI: 2.49 PP TOI: 0.21

PPG: (last 3 years) 0.26, 21 PPY

Hits: 187 Blocked Shots: 102


So Schenn faced harder opposition this year than Hamonic, Schenn had the hardest mins of any Flyers defender (0.683) while Harmonic was second on the Islanders (0.991). They also played almost the same amount of minutes, 15 seconds difference per 60. Schenn also got far less PP time, and they were even on PK mins.

Yet even though Schenn had even/harder minutes, he performed better defensively, (according to advanced stats) with a better Relative Corsi by a long way, and +2 on zone starts, compared to Hamonics -2.1.

(Harmonic faced better players compared to rest of Islanders D, but not overall, he also played the hardest minutes of his career this year, and his stats went down)

I know a shortened season is not the best comparison, and it was arguably Schenns best year in the NHL, and Hamonics worst, (according to advanced stats) but it seems Schenn was better than Hamonic this year, though he scores about 6PPY less than Hamonic.

(With 1min per game less PP time, in fact, over three years Schenn has 1PPP, Hamonic 13PPP, so 5PPY by Hamonic come on the PP when adjusted to GP, if even strength PPY only were counted, they would be exactly even... though Ofc Hamonic has earned PP, Schenn not.)

If past years are looked at as well, Schenns performance this year defensively was better than any of Hamonics 3, and Hamonic has never played as hard a minutes as Schenn this year.

If Schenn keeps playing as he did this year, he is a better D man than Hamonic, if he reverts to Schenn of 2010-11, they are about even, Hamonic edging it, if Schenn goes back to 11-12 then Hamonic is hands down better.

Don't get me wrong, Hamonic is a great player, and has been more consistent, and I would love him on the Flyers, but if Schenn plays like he has shown he can, they are far more even than people may think. (That cap hit he just got increased his value though!)

It must also be considered who there D partners were:

Schenn played a lot with Kimmo, which could inflate his stats, but also played great with Lauridsen and Rosehill at the end of the year, mainly with Flyers top line.

Hamonic played with Macdonald pretty much exclusively, and with NYI top line.

Now, Timonen is better than Macdonald, but Macdonald is no slouch and has been their top D man in minutes played since 2010-11.

The way I see it:

Best Schenn has played in career > best Hamonic has played
~ Schenn has played < ~ Hamonic has played
Worst Schenn has played < worst Hamonic played


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