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jrk 07-06-2013 07:00 PM

traded before his first game?
 
I just want to know when is the last time the Canadiens traded a player just after signing him?

Alot of people want to trade Desharnais before he has even played a game with his new contract. It seems a bit unusual to trade a newly signed player.

If someone remember a team that did this, I would like to know.

Genesis76 07-06-2013 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jrk (Post 68861323)
I just want to know when is the last time the Canadiens traded a player just after signing him?

Alot of people want to trade Desharnais before he has even played a game with his new contract. It seems a bit unusual to trade a newly signed player.

If someone remember a team that did this, I would like to know.

well he did got worst after his new contract... soooo....

elite1prospects 07-06-2013 07:10 PM

very recently, see Kristo :P

jrk 07-06-2013 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by elite1prospects (Post 68861677)
very recently, see Kristo :P


I should have said nhl player and not prospect. So let say nhl player.

Ohashi_Jouzu 07-06-2013 08:26 PM

Grabovski got bought out less than 12 months after signing a 5 year, $5.5 mil/year contract, so more extreme has happened.

overlords 07-06-2013 08:28 PM

Didn't this happen to setoguchi?

Hope Of Glory 07-06-2013 08:30 PM

Wasn't Carter's extension about to kick in along with a NTC when he got traded to Columbus?

Goldthorpe 07-06-2013 08:31 PM

Didn't that happen with Hossa back when he was playing with the Sens?

It's rare but it happens. Especially with RFAs.

Sorinth 07-06-2013 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by jrk (Post 68861323)
I just want to know when is the last time the Canadiens traded a player just after signing him?

Alot of people want to trade Desharnais before he has even played a game with his new contract. It seems a bit unusual to trade a newly signed player.

If someone remember a team that did this, I would like to know.

It's rare because most of the time you don't sign a player to a big extension and then think it's a mistake less than a year later but the two most recent examples are Seguin and Carter.

I also seem to remember Audette signing as a UFA in Dallas and 15-20 games into the season he was traded to Montreal.

MarkovsKnee 07-06-2013 09:17 PM

Ottawa did it to Marian Hossa. Signed him one day traded him to Atlanta for Heatley the next. I think maybe 24 hours had passed after Hossa signed his new contract. It was a weird thing for Ottawa to do.

However, that was truly exceptional. Most teams don't do that, although a lot of teams have traded a player after a year has passed on a long term contract (see Philly).

Sens were idiotic to trade Hossa, who is a much better player than Heatley. All Hossa does is get to Stanley Cup finals. He's won 2 Cups now. I'm sure Alfredsson looks at Hossa and wonders what might have been for himself.

Saintpatrick* 07-06-2013 09:19 PM

Wasn't Kaberle traded soon after Carolina signed him?

HockeyF3ind 07-07-2013 04:36 AM

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Originally Posted by jrk (Post 68861323)
I just want to know when is the last time the Canadiens traded a player just after signing him?

Alot of people want to trade Desharnais before he has even played a game with his new contract. It seems a bit unusual to trade a newly signed player.

If someone remember a team that did this, I would like to know.

Seguin just got traded after re-signing a big deal and which doesn't kick in till next season.

S Bah 07-07-2013 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by jrk (Post 68861323)
I just want to know when is the last time the Canadiens traded a player just after signing him?

Alot of people want to trade Desharnais before he has even played a game with his new contract. It seems a bit unusual to trade a newly signed player.

If someone remember a team that did this, I would like to know.

I can't answer that question, but I do remember the Habs trading Greg Hubick for a small center named Doug Jarvis. Let's hope this turns out as good, I see Christian Thomas being a very useful NHLer in the near future for the Habs Stanley Cup runs.:handclap:

shortcat1 07-07-2013 05:50 AM

I think the goalie Michael Leighton.

Fatguy266 07-07-2013 06:14 AM

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Originally Posted by overlords (Post 68864651)
Didn't this happen to setoguchi?

Yeah, at the 2011 draft he was traded to Minnesota a day or two after signing a contract in San Jose if I Remember correctly.

jrk 07-07-2013 06:16 AM

Thank you for all your answers. I see that it has happened.
It just does not seem right to trade Desharnais after the bad season he just had. We won't have a good return for him and I am pretty that he will have a comeback year.

I do agree thought that his size with the player we have is an issue. I just hope that Gionta is traded and that we can get Jagr to fill the spot for 1 year. I still think this year is not the year we win the cup, but I can see where MB wants to go and I am pretty sure that Desharnais have another year to prove he is useful to the team.

Desharnais could get the same treatment Grabovski received after one year if Louis Leblanc or another guy can replace him in one year from now. Grabovski had one year with his big contract and fell to keep the pace.

All-Star 07-07-2013 08:31 AM

Sign and trade is one of the oldest tricks in the book...

Agnostic 07-07-2013 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by jrk (Post 68878587)
Thank you for all your answers. I see that it has happened.
It just does not seem right to trade Desharnais after the bad season he just had. We won't have a good return for him and I am pretty that he will have a comeback year.

I do agree thought that his size with the player we have is an issue. I just hope that Gionta is traded and that we can get Jagr to fill the spot for 1 year. I still think this year is not the year we win the cup, but I can see where MB wants to go and I am pretty sure that Desharnais have another year to prove he is useful to the team.

Desharnais could get the same treatment Grabovski received after one year if Louis Leblanc or another guy can replace him in one year from now. Grabovski had one year with his big contract and fell to keep the pace.

DD is not getting bought out, forget that idea right now. DD is like Briere, and Bouillon, and perhaps Jagr. They are stopgap measures that keep reasonable competitiveness and depth together until reinforcements come from the farm system.

DD will be around for a while.

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Originally Posted by All-Star (Post 68880105)
Sign and trade is one of the oldest tricks in the book...

Wrong sport, this isn't basketball.

Teufelsdreck 07-07-2013 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by jrk (Post 68861323)
I just want to know when is the last time the Canadiens traded a player just after signing him?

Alot of people want to trade Desharnais before he has even played a game with his new contract. It seems a bit unusual to trade a newly signed player.

If someone remember a team that did this, I would like to know.

The fact that MB just signed him to a new contract suggests that he won't be traded soon. Those who reflexively shout "Off with his head!" belong in Alice in Wonderland.

Lafleurs Guy 07-07-2013 05:56 PM

Marian Hossa is the best example. Signs a new deal with the Sens and then they ship him for Heatley.

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Originally Posted by MarkovsKnee (Post 68866293)
Ottawa did it to Marian Hossa. Signed him one day traded him to Atlanta for Heatley the next. I think maybe 24 hours had passed after Hossa signed his new contract. It was a weird thing for Ottawa to do.

However, that was truly exceptional. Most teams don't do that, although a lot of teams have traded a player after a year has passed on a long term contract (see Philly).

Sens were idiotic to trade Hossa, who is a much better player than Heatley. All Hossa does is get to Stanley Cup finals. He's won 2 Cups now. I'm sure Alfredsson looks at Hossa and wonders what might have been for himself.

Ah, you beat me to it.

Hossa was always better than Alfie was. Even when he didn't score he was at least out there making things happen against Toronto in all those losses. Alfie would disappear. They let the wrong guy go just like what happened with Chara.

Habsrback 07-07-2013 11:26 PM

Trading DD will take courage from MB, because it also means that he is correcting his mistake...which in return means that he acknowledges having made one. This is pretty hard in an organization that has seen it's GM's being very narcissistic over time...but MB is supposed to represent change, so let's see...

jrk 07-08-2013 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Habsrback (Post 68915601)
Trading DD will take courage from MB, because it also means that he is correcting his mistake...which in return means that he acknowledges having made one. This is pretty hard in an organization that has seen it's GM's being very narcissistic over time...but MB is supposed to represent change, so let's see...

I am still not convince it is a mistake. To me, DD could turn out te be a great player in the years to come if use with the right players.

FlyingKostitsyn 07-08-2013 07:50 AM

The only place were Desharnais is going to be traded this summer is on HFboards.

Sorry to break it out to you guys..

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Originally Posted by Habsrback
Trading DD will take courage from MB, because it also means that he is correcting his mistake...which in return means that he acknowledges having made one. This is pretty hard in an organization that has seen it's GM's being very narcissistic over time...but MB is supposed to represent change, so let's see...

If Bergevin signed Desharnais to this contract it probably means he wants him on his team. Regardless of him having a sub-par half of a half season.

Again, sorry to break it out to you guys.

He'll acknowledge his mistake (or not) when it will be clear that he's actually made one. Its not a fact that he's made a mistake.

Habs 4 Life 07-08-2013 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by All-Star (Post 68880105)
Sign and trade is one of the oldest tricks in the book...

Doesn't happen that often as it use to. I think the last one was Hossa in the Heatley trade. Not sure if Setoguchi was a sign and trade as well. And today these guys are all trying to get NTC, makes it even harder for the GM

Hockey mind 61 07-08-2013 09:04 AM

Desharnais will be in the line-up in September and he will have a great season ...
In Montréal, the fans always press the panic button ! Relax ...
He`s one of the best playmaker in the league, he`s a local player give him a break you will see how he will bounce back next season!


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