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s7ark 07-11-2013 09:19 PM

Trade and Proposals Thread XXXVII: Is MacT mostly done?
 
Last thread hit 1000.

Some posts

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Originally Posted by nexttothemoon (Post 69106459)
In response to the concerns about Yak someday, maybe following in Kovalchuks footsteps and heading back to the KHL... I honestly wouldn't be worried about it.

I have nothing to go on but my gut feel and what I see when I watch Yakupov (on and off the ice)... he lives and breathes hockey and wants to be the very best he can be. He idolizes super skilled players like Bure who played on the biggest stage with the best players in the world... the NHL.

That's still the case as well, the NHL is the place to be if you want to play with the best and excel at the highest levels and push yourself to be the best you can become. Not all players have that drive and attitude but luckily for us and the Oilers I think Yakupov has that extreme burning desire to excel and become the best he can... and that goes far beyond playing just for money and/or fame.

That's not to say that someday just maybe he might head back overseas but I don't get the impression he's just in the NHL for the biggest paycheck... he wants to become a dominant world class player in the world and push his abilities to the limit and I think the NHL is still the only place you can truly do that.

My understanding also is that Yakupov comes from a fairly well to do family and imo it's probably less likely that Yakupov could/would be lured to the KHL by a huge money contract.

Anything is of course possible... so I'd never say never, but risks exist with any players... career ending injuries/sickness could happen to any player (as we've seen before), a player could demand a trade away from the team for any number of reasons (as we've seen before) or a player could just go into a terrible career ending regression and slump of epic proportions (has happened to some players in their primes)... so being able to say there is no risk with ANY certain player is a fantasy.

I actually have a strong belief that Yakupov will be with the Oilers for a long time to come and will become one of the very best players in the NHL. I'm no more worried about him departing than any of the other top players on the Oilers.

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Originally Posted by devils4cup (Post 69106563)
The guy you want from the Devils on defense would be Urbom.

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Originally Posted by RXAGENT (Post 69107021)
Worrying about Yakupov right now is absolute unnecessary panic by oiler fans just because one Russian superstar quit the NHL. I don't feel it's right to generalize all Russian NHLers as having the same thought processes, values and mentalities.

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Originally Posted by MetaOil1993 (Post 69107797)
Can you give a scouting report on him? Is he ready for the NHL?

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Originally Posted by OilerFan4Life (Post 69108135)
Over/Under on the number of Yakupov trade proposals on HF Oilers over the next week because "oh my god he's gonna leave us": 35.

First one probably comes tomorrow.

People just need to relax. Kovalchuk has always been a little weird....im not too shocked.

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Originally Posted by nye (Post 69108221)
I don't think this is a major concern. AIUI, the Devils had to cooperate to release Kovy to Russia. Something about them voiding instead of tolling his contract.

The difference is the Devils wanted out from any obligation to Kovy because of the dollars involved and the situation of their ownership. Not many other Russians will be in the same position. Most teams would keep the rights to players attempting such a defection, and then the IIHF would get involved.

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Originally Posted by Psycho Dad (Post 69108251)
A Fistric-Urbom pairing would be deadly.

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Originally Posted by YakuBOT (Post 69108433)
lol this. The overreaction is hilarious.

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Originally Posted by Blunderbore (Post 69108471)
i'm pretty sure that an NHL player can go wherever he wants outside the league when he becomes an RFA. Yak is one in two years.

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Originally Posted by devils4cup (Post 69108573)
In a nutshell: He is a bigger younger possebly meaner version of Smid who can move the puck effectively. Skates well for his size.

Still raw because he's only 22. Listed as 6'5 / 215 lbs

He is ready for the NHL imo

Klefbom/Urbom pairing would be all sorts of swedish awesomeness

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Originally Posted by nye (Post 69108889)
That's different, of course. An RFA is not under contract.

My reply was to your fear of 'another player to follow the steps every day from now on.'

That fear is real for you, no doubt, but it is not something that should be a concern.

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Originally Posted by Delicious Pancakes (Post 69109543)
Just because one KHL team can afford to pay Kovalchuk and he decides to go back home at the age of 30 doesn't mean that there's going to be an exodus of top Russian players to the KHL. What's preventing guys from signing there when they're UFAs? If they wanted to be there they would.

So why don't they go back to Russia? The NHL for the most part has better facilities, better training and medical personnel, better travel, more consistency/professionalism, less corruption, and better competition. For many this is a preferred lifestyle. I doubt very many players are going to be swayed by Kovalchuk going over just because he's a top player. They'll make their decisions on an individual basis for what's best for them.

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Originally Posted by David71 (Post 69110633)
with kovy gone from nj. maybe nows the time to trade hemsky? but what would the oilers want in return? defense?


RisingSun 07-11-2013 09:26 PM

Lets start the thread with some MacT strut for good luck.

http://i.imgur.com/2dHNVgS.gif

mactforcoach 07-11-2013 10:06 PM

The Devils are in a pickle now for offence, and we have Hemsky... hmmmmm

Andrew B 07-11-2013 10:07 PM

Does anyone think we could add say Sam to get Adam Henrique?

AlowlyOilersfan 07-11-2013 10:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew B (Post 69112567)
Does anyone think we could add say Sam to get Adam Henrique?

doubtful

it would have to be one hell of a sweetener

Lay Z Boy GM 07-11-2013 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew B (Post 69112567)
Does anyone think we could add say Sam to get Adam Henrique?

I think I'd rather have Gagner than Henrique, but he would make a pretty good 3rd line center for us. Hall would probably be happy to have him around too.

I'd offer Hemsky and a handful of prospects for Henrique, maybe NJ wants to restock the cupboard a bit. More likely they're looking for quality players that can help right now. But I do like Henrique, he'd be a good 3rd liner now and maybe eventually take the #2 center spot.

McRib 07-11-2013 10:19 PM

I think MacT needs to move Yakupov because of the Russian factor. I don't want this guy bolting like Kovalchuk. :sarcasm:

The Perfect Human* 07-11-2013 10:20 PM

Trust me, I can't stand the fact that Sam Gagner is our 2C.

But he has more value than Adam Henrique, no matter what people on HF Oil or the rest of this website have to say

Homesick 07-11-2013 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by FreeRadicals (Post 69111075)
Lets start the thread with some MacT strut for good luck.

http://i.imgur.com/2dHNVgS.gif

This had to be MacT walking up to Lowe and Katz to announce the Horcoff trade

belair 07-11-2013 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Lay Z Boy GM (Post 69112663)
I think I'd rather have Gagner than Henrique, but he would make a pretty good 3rd line center for us. Hall would probably be happy to have him around too.

No kidding...

Gagner 48gp 14g 24a 38p -6
Henrique 42gp 11g 5a 16p -3

mozdzend 07-11-2013 10:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoobs (Post 69112987)
I think MacT needs to move Yakupov because of the Russian factor. I don't want this guy bolting like Kovalchuk. :sarcasm:

It is hard to judge based on just one year, but IMO Yakupov has the drive and determination to win the Stanley Cup that I think will influence him into staying. Of course his attitude could change, but is much more reliable than a Radulov, Kostitsyn, or most recently, a Kovalchuk

Brewster 07-11-2013 10:23 PM

Is anyone kinda pissed we didn't (seemingly) make a run at Halischuk? Seems like the quintessential MacT bottomer sixer and scored 15 goals last full season.

Homesick 07-11-2013 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by belair (Post 69113071)
No kidding...

Gagner 48gp 14g 24a 38p -6
Henrique 42gp 11g 5a 16p -3

But Henrique has a better career year:sarcasm: Playing with Parise and Kovalchuk.....odds are he wont be repeating that anytime soon.
Maybe Broduer will ask for a trade?

Groucho 07-11-2013 10:25 PM

Adam Henrique is pretty over rated. Kid had a great playoffs and a decent rookie season. Hasn't done anything to deserve the over valueing he gets now, other than be irreplaceable in the devils line up.

Do the Devils have Elias wrapped up yet? If he walks they are seriously in need of Hemsky. Don't know if the Devils and Oilers are good trading partners though. I'm not interested in most of their bottom 6.

HeavyHitter99 07-11-2013 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Perfect Human (Post 69113015)
Trust me, I can't stand the fact that Sam Gagner is our 2C.

But he has more value than Adam Henrique, no matter what people on HF Oil or the rest of this website have to say

Hit the nail right on the head

Trafalgar Law 07-11-2013 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew B (Post 69112567)
Does anyone think we could add say Sam to get Adam Henrique?

Why on Earth would we add? They're basically the same age, and actually pretty much the same size as well. Except Gagner is a better player, a much more proven commodity, and doesn't need to leech off Kovalchuk/Parise for points.

Rafters 07-11-2013 10:27 PM

Hemsky for Zajac
Anyone do that?

OilerTyler 07-11-2013 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rafters (Post 69113301)
Hemsky for Zajac
Anyone do that?

I like Zajac but his contract is atrocious. I wouldn't take him for free because of it.

Rafters 07-11-2013 10:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OilerTyler (Post 69113355)
I like Zajac but his contract is atrocious. I wouldn't take him for free because of it.

5.75 for 8 more yrs.....

Jimmi Jenkins 07-11-2013 10:34 PM

Actually I wonder if you could get the Devils to bite on

To NJ: Gagner and Hemsky

To EDM: Henrique, Carter and Gelinas

HeavyHitter99 07-11-2013 10:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rafters (Post 69113387)
5.75 for 8 more yrs.....

That's waaayyyy too much for Zajac especially since he would be 3rd line

notloilersfan 07-11-2013 10:35 PM

I have to say it sucks we couldn't land Monahan. He would make our bottom six more interesting for next year

HeavyHitter99 07-11-2013 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jimmi Jenkins (Post 69113553)
Actually I wonder if you could get the Devils to bite on

To NJ: Gagner and Hemsky

To EDM: Henrique, Carter and Gelinas

Hell no that's terrible. Henrique is not a second line center

belair 07-11-2013 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rafters (Post 69113301)
Hemsky for Zajac
Anyone do that?

Everyone does that except New Jersey for obvious reasons.

I think everyone's hitting the panic button in Jersey a little early.

They might not be as bad a people are expecting them to be.

Jimmi Jenkins 07-11-2013 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter99 (Post 69113655)
Hell no that's terrible. Henrique is not a second line center

Given the talent here, and his better size and better defensive play, he could fit nicely on the 2nd, imo.

Either way, I'm not sure this defense of Gagner, I thought we hated him now.


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