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SMantzas 07-15-2013 05:43 PM

Steven Santini vs Samuel Morin
 
Better prospect?

FishManSam 07-15-2013 05:59 PM

I'm a big Santini fan. I think he'll turn out to be the better player.

tony d 07-15-2013 06:01 PM

Both should be good but give me Morin here.

Duffman955 07-15-2013 06:01 PM

Santini for me. Has much better shutdown ability and puck handling skills.

arsmaster 07-15-2013 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Duffman955 (Post 69243987)
Santini for me. Has much better shutdown ability and puck handling skills.

I'd take the guy who has a reasonable track record of production.

Santini has been described as a ZERO offense player.

While I don't think the gap is huge, the upside is infinitely higher for Morin.

SMantzas 07-15-2013 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by arsmaster (Post 69244323)
I'd take the guy who has a reasonable track record of production.

Santini has been described as a ZERO offense player.

While I don't think the gap is huge, the upside is infinitely higher for Morin.

16 pts in the Q is not a reasonable track record of production

Santini also was awarded best Dman of the WJC U18

arsmaster 07-15-2013 06:26 PM

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Originally Posted by SMantzas (Post 69244433)
16 pts in the Q is not a reasonable track record of production

Santini also was awarded best Dman of the WJC U18

I should sell you a car if you only look at the bottom line.:laugh:


I realize your a Devils fan and are just looking to make your prospect look good vs a higher drafted player. I think most on here, even those that thought Morin was drafted way too high would agree with my point, but to each their own.

Cheers

ZKass The Bass 07-15-2013 06:27 PM

Santini

Jeffrey 07-15-2013 06:36 PM

I'm not a fan of Morin and I'm a huge Santini fan so the choice is obvious for me: Steven Santini!

usascout1 07-15-2013 07:06 PM

Santini.

EagleBelfour 07-15-2013 07:08 PM

Another vote for Santini.

Konk 07-15-2013 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by EagleBelfour (Post 69246655)
Another vote for Santini.

Santini hasn't really developed very much during the past year. He's simply a smart, steady defenseman with a physical edge. He reminds me a bit of Mark Stuart.

Morin on the other hand really advanced his game towards the end of the year, particularly in the playoffs and U18s. He has a lot more room to grow his game overall than Santini, IMO.

They're both solid defensively and at a similar level at this point. The difference is Morin has a lot more potential for rapid growth in the next few years, whereas I see Santini continuing his solid approach into college and ultimately the Pros.

AuraSphere 07-15-2013 07:23 PM

Morin, haven't really seen Santini. All ik is he went in the second round :/

ZeroPT* 07-15-2013 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Konk (Post 69247105)
Santini hasn't really developed very much during the past year. He's simply a smart, steady defenseman with a physical edge. He reminds me a bit of Mark Stuart.

Morin on the other hand really advanced his game towards the end of the year, particularly in the playoffs and U18s. He has a lot more room to grow his game overall than Santini, IMO.

They're both solid defensively and at a similar level at this point. The difference is Morin has a lot more potential for rapid growth in the next few years, whereas I see Santini continuing his solid approach into college and ultimately the Pros.

Didn't Santini win best defensman at the U-18?? saying he hasn't really developed is really harsh, and saying he is like Stuart is also really harsh. Morin COULD be Chara,but he could also end up like hal gill, Santini is a cerebral, do-it-right defensman, he's not flashy and you wont notice him but he will munch up crazy minutes against the oppositions best players, as you said he also has a physical edge. He's nothing like Stuart IMO.

SMantzas 07-15-2013 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroPT (Post 69247261)
Didn't Santini win best defensman at the U-18?? saying he hasn't really developed is really harsh, and saying he is like Stuart is also really harsh. Morin COULD be Chara,but he could also end up like hal gill, Santini is a cerebral, do-it-right defensman, he's not flashy and you wont notice him but he will munch up crazy minutes against the oppositions best players, as you said he also has a physical edge. He's nothing like Stuart IMO.

Is the McDonagh comparison apt? Obviously he has a looong way to go

Konk 07-15-2013 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroPT (Post 69247261)
Didn't Santini win best defensman at the U-18?? saying he hasn't really developed is really harsh, and saying he is like Stuart is also really harsh. Morin COULD be Chara,but he could also end up like hal gill, Santini is a cerebral, do-it-right defensman, he's not flashy and you wont notice him but he will munch up crazy minutes against the oppositions best players, as you said he also has a physical edge. He's nothing like Stuart IMO.

Having watched both Stuart and Santini at the same age with the USNTDP, I think it's a very apt comparison. Did you watch both at the same stage of development? Considering your overuse of punctuation in reaction to my comparison, I'd venture to guess you only watched Stuart as a pro where his shortcomings were exposed. Santini is a better skater and smarter about picking his spots when throwing hits, but overall very similar at that age.

Santini was considered a possible 1st rounder a few years ago, but his offense never developed. Do you disagree? His defense has continued to progress, but he's not made the leaps and bounds in development that Morin made last year.

I'm not saying where his upside is, because no one knows, however, Morin has more tools and more room for growth. Yes, he could wind up AHL fodder. So could Santini.

hab 4ever 07-15-2013 08:00 PM

Clearly Morin. lol.

HockeySensible 07-15-2013 08:03 PM

Both impressed me at the U18s, but I personally like Morin more. He's still very raw at this point, and I think there's a lot of untapped potential there.

ZeroPT* 07-15-2013 08:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Konk (Post 69248339)
Having watched both Stuart and Santini at the same age with the USNTDP, I think it's a very apt comparison. Did you watch both at the same stage of development? Considering your overuse of punctuation in reaction to my comparison, I'd venture to guess you only watched Stuart as a pro where his shortcomings were exposed. Santini is a better skater and smarter about picking his spots when throwing hits, but overall very similar at that age.

Santini was considered a possible 1st rounder a few years ago, but his offense never developed. Do you disagree? His defense has continued to progress, but he's not made the leaps and bounds in development that Morin made last year.

I'm not saying where his upside is, because no one knows, however, Morin has more tools and more room for growth. Yes, he could wind up AHL fodder. So could Santini.

I have no clue how that has any effect on the discussion. But no I didn't watch Stuart as a USNTDP member AT THE TIME , but I have been able to re-watch 1 or 2 games and no, they aren't similar at all IMO. Obviously if you have seen Stuart more than once or twice then you could have a better grasp of the situation. Morin has more tools yes, but Santini has the tool box if that makes any sense. The challenge for Morin would be to learn how to use those tools in which situation, Santini already has quite a grasp of that concept. I really don't think Morin's rise makes him better than Santini, offense can be taught/improved, however defensive awareness and all of Santini's prime assets can not.

ZeroPT* 07-15-2013 08:20 PM

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Originally Posted by SMantzas (Post 69247375)
Is the McDonagh comparison apt? Obviously he has a looong way to go

I think it's fair in terms of playing style, but Santini won't become a #1 all-around D-man like McDonagh, but he could become a "mini-McDonagh"

KJS14 07-15-2013 08:26 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroPT (Post 69249067)
I have no clue how that has any effect on the discussion. But no I didn't watch Stuart as a USNTDP member AT THE TIME , but I have been able to re-watch 1 or 2 games and no, they aren't similar at all IMO. Obviously if you have seen Stuart more than once or twice then you could have a better grasp of the situation. Morin has more tools yes, but Santini has the tool box if that makes any sense. The challenge for Morin would be to learn how to use those tools in which situation, Santini already has quite a grasp of that concept. I really don't think Morin's rise makes him better than Santini, offense can be taught/improved, however defensive awareness and all of Santini's prime assets can not.

That's the exact opposite of what most scouts and coaches say. You can't teach a player to be a scorer, but you can teach him to be defensively sound. Regardless, neither are offensive defensemen.

Edit: You also can't teach a player to be 6'6.

americanscout09 07-15-2013 08:28 PM

I think santini is better by a landslide. I know you may think I am being biased given my name is "americanscout" but Sanitini is a great player and having met him a couple of times he is also a great kid. He is smart with the puck and I truly think he deserves more credit on his offensive abilities as he always makes a great first pass and has a solid shot form the blue line.

ZeroPT* 07-15-2013 08:29 PM

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Originally Posted by KJS14 (Post 69249315)
That's the exact opposite of what most scouts and coaches say. You can't teach a player to be a scorer, but you can teach him to be defensively sound. Regardless, neither are offensive defensemen.

I meant as in, making smarter plays in the offensive zone and knowing when to pinch and join the offense with better timing, improving his shot and working on getting shot's through traffic. Small things.

ZeroPT* 07-15-2013 08:30 PM

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Originally Posted by KJS14 (Post 69249315)
That's the exact opposite of what most scouts and coaches say. You can't teach a player to be a scorer, but you can teach him to be defensively sound. Regardless, neither are offensive defensemen.

Edit: You also can't teach a player to be 6'6.

Can you teach a player how to properly use his size?

KJS14 07-15-2013 08:31 PM

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Originally Posted by ZeroPT (Post 69249409)
I meant as in, making smarter plays in the offensive zone and knowing when to pinch and join the offense with better timing, improving his shot and working on getting shot's through traffic. Small things.

Ok, my mistake. You can certainly teach positioning, form, timing, etc.


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Originally Posted by ZeroPT (Post 69249459)
Can you teach a player how to properly use his size?

You can certainly teach him HOW to use it effectively. Whether he is able to use it effectively or not is a different story.


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