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BillyShoe1721 07-21-2013 12:09 PM

Top 20 Flyers Prospects, #5
 
1. C Scott Laughton(77.36%)
2. D Samuel Morin(59.70%)
3. D Robert Hagg(69.74%)
4. D Shayne Gostisbehere(66.30%)
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FlyersFan61290 07-21-2013 12:20 PM

Went with Cousins. I think I'll go Stollie next.

FLYguy3911 07-21-2013 12:45 PM

Stolarz. The upside is too much to ignore. Yes, goalies are risky, but this kid's arrow is pointing way up. Size/athleticism combo is as good as you will find and as he gets coached up and improves his technique over time, watch out.

Stizzle 07-21-2013 12:59 PM

Easily Stolarz for me. Stepped up huge in London after playing in obscurity the season before and then a little at Omaha. He made great strides from being a completely raw athlete, to a good OHL goalie in a very short time. The upside is just too much to ignore.

Damaged Goods 07-21-2013 01:19 PM

Cousins. There's no such thing as a goalie prospect.

Cuiff 07-21-2013 01:21 PM

Stolarz....too much upside to ignore...

Rick Deckard 07-21-2013 01:24 PM

McGinn to me, he showed he can play in the NHL, something Cousins hasn't. The potential both carry is basically the same, complimentary winger, McGinn has the size advantage, Cousins showed a little more offense in the CHL.

I never know how to rank goaltenders, it's either starting goaltender or bust ... he can't just become a checking forward or bottom pairing defender. ... Stolarz is still far away, he has the athletic ability, he showed some promise with London last season but had rough finals and Memorial Cup ... I don't know, I prefer the forwards.

Norm MacDonald 07-21-2013 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Damaged Goods (Post 69450731)
Cousins. There's no such thing as a goalie prospect.

Yes... because chasing leftover veteran goalies has worked out so well in the past :sarcasm:

Damaged Goods 07-21-2013 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Norm MacDonald (Post 69451073)
Yes... because chasing leftover veteran goalies has worked out so well in the past :sarcasm:

Exactly what I said, right?

ILoveStephanieBrown 07-21-2013 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Norm MacDonald (Post 69451073)
Yes... because chasing leftover veteran goalies has worked out so well in the past :sarcasm:

I think he means it's hard to evaluate and project how good a goalie will be in the pros, not that it's not a good thing to have young ones in the system to try and develop.

Damaged Goods 07-21-2013 01:47 PM

Exactly.

Flyerss 07-21-2013 01:57 PM

wow already at number 5

GoneFullHextall 07-21-2013 02:00 PM

Stolarz.
interesting to see how he does in his first year of junior hockey with a full time goalie coach.

LegionOfDoom91 07-21-2013 02:06 PM

I went with Stolarz because of the upside over Cousins. I don't see Cousins being anymore than a 20-25 point third liner & that's fully dependent on if he can develop a defensive game or not.

Cousins has some questions marks & strikes against him just as much as Stolarz but doesn't nearly have the upside as Stolarz.

FlyersFan61290 07-21-2013 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Deckard (Post 69450831)
McGinn to me, he showed he can play in the NHL, something Cousins hasn't. The potential both carry is basically the same, complimentary winger, McGinn has the size advantage, Cousins showed a little more offense in the CHL.

I never know how to rank goaltenders, it's either starting goaltender or bust ... he can't just become a checking forward or bottom pairing defender. ... Stolarz is still far away, he has the athletic ability, he showed some promise with London last season but had rough finals and Memorial Cup ... I don't know, I prefer the forwards.

McGinn turns 23 next week, Cousins just turned 20 yesterday. I don't think it's fair to compare them like that. Give Cousins those three years and he'll be in the NHL.

FLYguy3911 07-21-2013 02:18 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyersFan61290 (Post 69452069)
McGinn turns 23 next week, Cousins just turned 20 yesterday. I don't think it's fair to compare them like that. Give Cousins those three years and he'll be in the NHL.

Yeah, that's kind of like saying Cesar Hernandez is a better prospect than Mikael Franco because he played in the big leagues and Franco hasn't.

Rick Deckard 07-21-2013 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by FlyersFan61290 (Post 69452069)
McGinn turns 23 next week, Cousins just turned 20 yesterday. I don't think it's fair to compare them like that. Give Cousins those three years and he'll be in the NHL.

Maybe, maybe not.

I don't think Cousins has a lot more upside than McGinn. So, if they have the same ceiling, the one who has already shown that he can play is the better prospect to me.

DrinkFightFlyers 07-21-2013 02:28 PM

I'd go with McGinn. He's got a handful of NHL games under his belt and is probably the closest out of the remaining guys to being an NHL regular.

The Couturier Effect 07-21-2013 02:59 PM

As a Flyers fan, I try not to get too excited with goalie prospects. So I'll go with Cousins.

BringBackStevens 07-21-2013 04:27 PM

I think cousins is close to a slam dunk super pain in the ass two way third line winner. Marchand lite?

CSKA1974 07-21-2013 04:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Rick Deckard (Post 69450831)
McGinn to me, he showed he can play in the NHL, something Cousins hasn't. The potential both carry is basically the same, complimentary winger, McGinn has the size advantage, Cousins showed a little more offense in the CHL.

I never know how to rank goaltenders, it's either starting goaltender or bust ... he can't just become a checking forward or bottom pairing defender. ... Stolarz is still far away, he has the athletic ability, he showed some promise with London last season but had rough finals and Memorial Cup ... I don't know, I prefer the forwards.

My reasoning to a tee

tymed 07-21-2013 05:19 PM

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Originally Posted by BringBackStevens (Post 69456511)
I think cousins is close to a slam dunk super pain in the ass two way third line winner. Marchand lite?

spot on. i have him at #4 for this reason.

jd2210 07-21-2013 05:40 PM

Stollie the goalie. Add Lamarche or Heeter

JDinkalage Morgoone 07-21-2013 05:52 PM

Went with Tye Dye McGinn

Norm MacDonald 07-21-2013 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Damaged Goods (Post 69451167)
Exactly what I said, right?

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Originally Posted by SCOREacek (Post 69451233)
I think he means it's hard to evaluate and project how good a goalie will be in the pros, not that it's not a good thing to have young ones in the system to try and develop.

Why does that mean "there's no such thing as a goalie prospect"? If you're drafting and developing young goalies, those are prospects.

Also, the vast majority of NHL starting goalies proved themselves as top prospects before they made the jump. Just because the failure rate is higher and it takes longer to materialize, it doesn't make sense to ignore a goalie prospect's success and talent until they are a seasoned NHL vet.


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