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GopherState 07-23-2013 09:40 PM

2013 Minnesota #1 Prospect
 
It's that time of the year everyone has been waiting for: prospect ranking season.

For the fourth straight year, HF Wild is ranking the Minnesota prospect pool from 1-20.

Here is what we did last year:
1. Mikael Granlund
2. Jonas Brodin
3. Charlie Coyle
4. Mathew Dumba
5. Johan Larsson
6. Jason Zucker
7. Matt Hackett
8. Brett Bulmer
9. Zack Phillips
10. Mario Lucia
11. Johan Gustafsson
12. Raphael Bussieres
13. Erik Haula
14. Steven Kampfer
15. Darcy Kuemper
16. Nick Seeler
17. Tyler Cuma
18. John Draeger
19. Daniel Gunnarsson
20. Tyler Graovac

(Here is what we ended up with in 2011 and 2010. Kind of depressing to see Cody Almond as high as #5.)

First off, I have to apologize because last year it was said that three-time #1 choice Mikael Granlund would not be a prospect come 2013. That was wrong. Sorry. FBJ still is one as is Charlie Coyle, Jason Zucker, Zack Phillips, Tyler Cuma and newly acquired forward Nino Niederreiter.

However, #2 prospect Jonas Brodin has graduated. So has Steven Kampfer. For the most part we follow the Hockey's Future "what makes a prospect" criteria although there are exceptions. The general consensus seemed to be that this Lockout-shortened season should be adjusted over an 82 game schedule. At the same time, it made more sense to have both Coyle and Nieddereiter be considered prospect even though they are up against the 65 game buffer.

As far as prospect choices go, I took the top 10 eligible choices from last year (Johan Larsson and Matthew Hackett both left the organization via trade), the top 3 picks from 2013 (Gustav Olofsson, Kurtis Gabriel and Dylan Labbe) and Niederreiter. There is an "other" selection as well so if you have a prospect or player who you believe is worthy of consideration, go for it - just say it in the comments so I know.

Same thing goes for rookie users who can't vote in polls and want their voice heard.

This poll will be open for 48 hours, at which time the #2 poll will be posted (and so on) until there is a top 20.

AKL 07-23-2013 09:50 PM

Still Granlund, since Brodin has graduated.

Engebretson 07-23-2013 09:58 PM

Coyle for me.

Granlund might end up being the better player when all is said and done but Coyle did much more with his NHL time this year than Granlund did.

Feels weird to not vote for Granlund to be #1 for the first time in years.

GopherState 07-23-2013 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Engebretson (Post 69544301)
Coyle for me.

Granlund might end up being the better player when all is said and done but Coyle did much more with his NHL time this year than Granlund did.

Feels weird to not vote for Granlund to be #1 for the first time in years.

Felt weird leaving off Brodin and keeping Granlund. Says something about FBJ expectations, but I figured he would be first to graduate or best-case scenario both would leave the prospect pool hand-in-hand together

MuckOG 07-23-2013 10:04 PM

I went with Coyle...

TaLoN 07-23-2013 10:12 PM

Coyle may be the more ready prospect (mostly due to his size), but Granlund's ceiling is still far higher IMO and is still the top prospect as a result. No other player has the dynamic ability that we've already seen Granlund flash from time to time.

Minnesota 07-23-2013 10:15 PM

Granlund...

Taking his sweet time.

tyratoku 07-23-2013 10:16 PM

Granlund. His upside is still just too high compared to the rest. I'm not worried about him at all.

Randy BoBandy 07-23-2013 10:25 PM

Coyle is poised to have a great year. Granlund is going to be fighting with Haula for a center spot which I doubt either are ready for. I see Coyle winning the 2nd line center spot pretty easily once real hitting and NHL gameplay is involved.

Granlund spends another year in the AHL so it doesn't really matter what his upside is. He isn't ready.

Minnesota 07-23-2013 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Randy BoBandy (Post 69545425)
Granlund spends another year in the AHL so it doesn't really matter what his upside is. He isn't ready.

Being NHL-ready doesn't make Coyle a better prospect.

Granlund's potential is still miles ahead of Coyle's.

TaLoN 07-23-2013 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Minnesota (Post 69545575)
Being NHL-ready doesn't make Coyle a better prospect.

Granlund's potential is still miles ahead of Coyle's.

Completely agree. NHL ready does not change what a player's top potential is, and it's that top potential that makes a better prospect IMO.

That'd be like drafting Crosby, and if he's not NHL ready and you have someone like Clutterbuck who is, you rate Clutterbuck ahead of him because of it?

I know that's an extreme example, but the point remains.

BusQuets 07-23-2013 10:44 PM

Granlund's upside still at a different level than our other prospects (now that Brodin has graduated). I believe in him.

State of Hockey 07-23-2013 10:46 PM

Coyle now.

While in previous years I thought we had good top-end talent to choose from, with this list that's all gone. Coyle is a very good prospect, that 2nd line winger type, but not what you want at #1.

Generic User 07-23-2013 10:47 PM

Love this time of year. I had such a hard time between Granlund, Coyle and Zucker. Ultimately I chose Granlund. I still don't know who I'm gonna choose between Zucker and Coyle if Granlund wins this poll. Too close. Not a bad problem to have.

Randy BoBandy 07-23-2013 10:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minnesota (Post 69545575)
Being NHL-ready doesn't make Coyle a better prospect.

Granlund's potential is still miles ahead of Coyle's.

IMO it does, given what I believe Granlund's actual potential is.

Do you really see Granlund being anymore than Bouchard was in his prime? I don't. He doesn't have the speed Bouchard has. Both are equally creative, but Bouchard has better skills. Granlund's ceiling is Bouchard imo.

on the other hand you have Coyle whos potential in my opinon is something like Nathan Horton or David Backes. Big strong two way players. Something the Wild need to compete in our new division.

The argument is over what Granlund's ceiling actually is. I argue it is much lower that what ever you guys think it is.

TaLoN 07-23-2013 10:55 PM

Bouchard's ceiling wasn't even Bouchard... that's the problem. Bouchard limited his game due to lack of situational awareness (still have bad memories of Butch wasting away a good minute and a half of a 5min 5 on 3 just skating around the zone in the last 3 mins of regulation when the team was down a goal a few yrs ago) and inability to get to high percentage areas.

Granlund's hockey IQ is off the charts good, and he's not afraid to draw in defenders to make a play.

Giles Ferrell 07-23-2013 10:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Minnesota (Post 69545575)
Being NHL-ready doesn't make Coyle a better prospect.

Granlund's potential is still miles ahead of Coyle's.

Boom. Well said.

Randy BoBandy 07-23-2013 10:58 PM

Bouchards ceiling wasn't even Bouchard.... what the **** are you talking about?


So what is Granlund's ceiling? Who does he compare to? And don't tell me ****ing Nazem Kadri, because that is just wrong.

rynryn 07-23-2013 10:59 PM

Granlund.

TaLoN 07-23-2013 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy BoBandy (Post 69546589)
Bouchards ceiling wasn't even Bouchard.... what the **** are you talking about?


So what is Granlund's ceiling? Who does he compare to? And don't tell me ****ing Nazem Kadri, because that is just wrong.

Bouchard never reached his ceiling is what I'm talking about. Butch had a higher ceiling and disappointed. Granlund has a higher ceiling and is less likely to be like Butch ended up IMO.

Bouchard's game was very tentative, Granlund's is not. Bouchard's hockey IQ was average at best, Granlund's is off the charts good.

The ONLY thing Butch had better than Granlund was speed. Granlund's speed is average though and when his mental game is adjusted, you will see it's not at all a liability.

Northland Wild Man 07-23-2013 11:02 PM

Still Granlund for me just because of his ceiling.

Randy BoBandy 07-23-2013 11:04 PM

So an undersized, slow skater, who isn't afraid to initiate contact. Thats gonna turn out well.

But but he has great vision and passing.... please I will believe it when I see it in the NHL as of now he just a prospect with decent upside. If we were voting on upside alone I think Dumba would win this thing given the potential he has.

TaLoN 07-23-2013 11:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy BoBandy (Post 69546831)
So an undersized, slow skater, who isn't afraid to initiate contact. Thats gonna turn out well.

But but he has great vision and passing.... please I will believe it when I see it in the NHL as of now he just a prospect with decent upside. If we were voting on upside alone I think Dumba would win this thing given the potential he has.

He's got average speed, he's not a slow skater. He looked slow last year because he was trying to adjust his game and wasn't ready yet.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy BoBandy (Post 69546831)
please I will believe it when I see it in the NHL

That's the whole point of being a PROSPECT - you are projecting what they "should" be as a player. Prospects are players who are still developing their game.

Randy BoBandy 07-23-2013 11:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TaLoN (Post 69546759)
Bouchard never reached his ceiling is what I'm talking about. Butch had a higher ceiling and disappointed. Granlund has a higher ceiling and is less likely to be like Butch ended up IMO.

Bouchard's game was very tentative, Granlund's is not. Bouchard's hockey IQ was average at best, Granlund's is off the charts good.

The ONLY thing Butch had better than Granlund was speed. Granlund's speed is average though and when his mental game is adjusted, you will see it's not at all a liability.

Yea because Bouchard skated around with possession instead of making a dumb cute play that resulted in a turnover like Granlund does.

This hockey IQ crap is defined how? Being good at hockey haha, understanding the game is measured how. please inform me cause at this point what proof do we have that Granlund has so much better hockey IQ than Butch.

TaLoN 07-23-2013 11:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Randy BoBandy (Post 69546929)
Yea because Bouchard skated around with possession instead of making a dumb cute play that resulted in a turnover like Granlund does.

This hockey IQ crap is defined how? Being good at hockey haha, understanding the game is measured how. please inform me cause at this point what proof do we have that Granlund has so much better hockey IQ than Butch.

You're joking right?! Bouchard was the king of the blueline turnover because of his stupid dancing around getting himself cornered.

Hockey IQ is knowing where to be when, knowing where your linemates are going, knowing the situation with the clock etc. Bouchard had very poor situational awareness, Granlund has only displayed excellent awareness and IQ through every level before the NHL thus far, including on the international stage.


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