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habs03 07-26-2013 03:08 PM

Cole Trade Revisted/ Briere signing
 
If you knew that by trading away Cole, Bergevin would use the money to replace him with Briere, would you make the deal?

Personally, I was happy with trading Cole, because I figured Bergevin would use that money and top 6 RW spot for a yonger more productive RW, ex try to trade for Chris Stewart. Now, not so happy about it, since Bergevin basically gave Breire the same term and dollar amount (-500k), I much have rather have Cole if it was between them two.

While Briere had more points, Cole scored more goals than him, and also brings a physical game, 101 hits last year.

Also with Briere our top 9 RW are

5'9 Gallagher, 5'7 Gionta, and Briere at 5'10.

Estimated_Prophet 07-26-2013 03:28 PM

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Originally Posted by habs03 (Post 69646285)
If you knew that by trading away Cole, Bergevin would use the money to replace him with Briere, would you make the deal?

Personally, I was happy with trading Cole, because I figured Bergevin would use that money and top 6 RW spot for a yonger more productive RW, ex try to trade for Chris Stewart. Now, not so happy about it, since Bergevin basically gave Breire the same term and dollar amount (-500k), I much have rather have Cole if it was between them two.

While Briere had more points, Cole scored more goals than him, and also brings a physical game, 101 hits last year.

Also with Briere our top 9 RW are

5'9 Gallagher, 5'7 Gionta, and Briere at 5'10.

Cole didn't want to be here.........end of story. He is a selfish punk who quit on the team. MB and MT are trying to instill a new culture of dedication, teamwork and sacrifice......Cole was undermining that and was simply addition by subtraction. There aren't any magical alternatives that include adding a young power forward at this point in time. Briere will bring leadership and knowledge to a team that needs exactly that from it's veteran leaders.

FrankMTL 07-26-2013 03:30 PM

Are we talking about the Cole of 2012 or the Cole of 2013?

Lshap 07-26-2013 03:32 PM

Considering Cole had a grand total of 13 pts in 47 games last season, the real question is which contract is the dumber overpayment.

Dagistitsyn 07-26-2013 03:34 PM

I'm not sure how Briere will pan out here, but seriously, **** Cole.

Lshap 07-26-2013 03:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Estimated_Prophet (Post 69647013)
Cole didn't want to be here.........end of story. He is a selfish punk who quit on the team. MB and MT are trying to instill a new culture of dedication, teamwork and sacrifice......Cole was undermining that and was simply addition by subtraction. There aren't any magical alternatives that include adding a young power forward at this point in time. Briere will bring leadership and knowledge to a team that needs exactly that from it's veteran leaders.

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Originally Posted by Dagistitsyn (Post 69647221)
I'm not sure how Briere will pan out here, but seriously, **** Cole.

Do we really know if Cole was unhappy/selfish/undermining the team, or is that just gossip? I remember his comments during the lockout, but it's still a leap to him being a quitter.

Not saying you guys may not be right, but a bad season doesn't automatically equal a bad attitude.

OneSharpMarble 07-26-2013 03:47 PM

Bergevin: *Trades Cole
Bergevin: *Signs Briere
Bergevin: "It's hard to get big physical forwards!"

Hopefully this isn't the beginning of many stupid moves but it is starting out ugly.

Lshap 07-26-2013 03:52 PM

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Originally Posted by OneSharpMarble (Post 69647641)
Bergevin: *Trades Cole
Bergevin: *Signs Briere
Bergevin: "It's hard to get big physical forwards!"

Hopefully this isn't the beginning of many stupid moves but it is starting out ugly.

Trading Cole was a master-stroke. We dumped a multi-year contract for a guy who looked burnt out and got a winger who did exactly what he was supposed to do - score. Look at the stats and we came out way ahead.

But then we blew our savings at the Gatineau/Hull Casino playing Briere Roulette. Easy come...

habs03 07-26-2013 03:55 PM

Wow surprised to see Briere winning this poll by so much.

Seems like the things Cole was saying earlier on wasn't liked in the room, I remember Kevin Weekes mentioned that he wasn't a fan of Subban if I remember correctly.

But besides that, and looking just it hockey wise, not sure how Briere is an upgrade. Again while Cole didn't have a good year, he is a lot more effective as a player, 5 on 5, on the fore-check.

Blind Gardien 07-26-2013 03:56 PM

Trading Cole for Ryder and a pick (was that the Crisp pick?) was great. Ryder stepped in and produced for a while. We got out from the risk of Cole's cap hit at a time when Cole sure seems to be on the downswing.

But yeah, turning around and spending on Briere doesn't impress me. I don't know if I'd link them. One good move, one bad move. But let's see how they play too. If Cole gets his mojo back, or Briere gets his, there could yet be changes to the equation. It could work out. I'd rather have replaced Cole with a bigger better player, but then I suspect Bergevin had hoped for more as well. At least he put himself in the position to have the opportunity to improve the team. It doesn't look like it ultimately panned out. (Although again, we shall see). But he tried. :dunno:

OneSharpMarble 07-26-2013 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Lshap (Post 69647807)
Trading Cole was a master-stroke. We dumped a multi-year contract for a guy who looked burnt out and got a winger who did exactly what he was supposed to do - score. Look at the stats and we came out way ahead.

But then we blew our savings at the Gatineau/Hull Casino playing Briere Roulette. Easy come...

LOL "Master stroke"

Could your expectations/standards get any lower? Is Bergevin tying his shoes in the morning a "game changer" now?

habs03 07-26-2013 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankMTL (Post 69647071)
Are we talking about the Cole of 2012 or the Cole of 2013?

Not sure anyone knows, just like we don't know if we'll get 2012 Breire, who had 3 goals at even strength last year, or the 2010-11 Breire who had 28 ES goals.

OneSharpMarble 07-26-2013 03:59 PM

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Originally Posted by habs03 (Post 69647975)
Not sure anyone knows, just like we don't know if we'll get 2012 Breire, who had 3 goals at even strength last year, or the 2010-11 Breire who had 28 ES goals.

Every one of those 3 ES goals was a master stroke!

Raimu 07-26-2013 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by OneSharpMarble (Post 69647917)
LOL "Master stroke"

Could your expectations/standards get any lower? Is Bergevin tying his shoes in the morning a "game changer" now?

Pulling off Cole for Ryder was pretty damn good, I'd say. Ask Dallas fans what they think of that trade.

danyhabsfan 07-26-2013 04:24 PM

People need to show some respect to Cole

He didnt have a good year this year but remember last year....
He was playing injured
He drived the net

He was so injured at one time he went to the locker room between shift

a beast

WhiskeySeven 07-26-2013 04:28 PM

Cole had an awful year - there's no denying it. But I honestly feel like he could and would have had a better year if he stuck on the Habs. He brought an element that is irreplaceable and he actually went into the crease every game.

Damn shame how it all turned around into Daniel fkn Briere.

WhiskeySeven 07-26-2013 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Estimated_Prophet (Post 69647013)
Cole didn't want to be here.........end of story. He is a selfish punk who quit on the team. MB and MT are trying to instill a new culture of dedication, teamwork and sacrifice......Cole was undermining that and was simply addition by subtraction. There aren't any magical alternatives that include adding a young power forward at this point in time. Briere will bring leadership and knowledge to a team that needs exactly that from it's veteran leaders.

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Originally Posted by Dagistitsyn (Post 69647221)
I'm not sure how Briere will pan out here, but seriously, **** Cole.

What the hell are you two guys talking about? This is the same "with us or against us" propaganda Gainey was spewing and using to justify his brain-dead trades and acquisitions. Except with Gainey it was "addition by subtraction" and with Bergevin it's "Character and hard work".

It's all bull-- and if anything, Briere is the one who betrayed the Habs without even being on the team. He's a crappy, tiny player who is on the major downswing and he cashed in his last big payday to the tune of 8m. Non-physical, plays poorly in the position we need him for (RW) and over-the-hill - just like how Gainey, and Bergevin likes 'em.

Harpo 07-26-2013 04:37 PM

Cole was absolutely awful last year, and this is from someone who liked him very much. It doesn't seem he turned it around in Dallas.

I'm still not sure about Brière, but I'm willing to give him a chance. Of course someone like 2011-2012 Cole would be exactly what we would need instead of gambling on Brière, but it seems this player died during the lockout.

habs88 07-26-2013 04:52 PM

Cole didn't just have an awful year he didn't care and didn't play with any heart or even try for the most part. We got rid of him cause he had no heart, if he would've worked extra hard at practice and actually given a **** he still be playing in Montreal and could've maybe saved his season last year. So lets stop comparing plz. I personally didn't like the briere signing but wearing that Habs jersey actually means something to him and briere is a monster performer in the playoffs.

Connor McJesus 07-26-2013 04:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by OneSharpMarble (Post 69647917)
LOL "Master stroke"

Could your expectations/standards get any lower? Is Bergevin tying his shoes in the morning a "game changer" now?

Dumping Cole and getting assets back was brilliant. Getting Briere, maybe not so much, but we shall see.

Miller Time 07-26-2013 05:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Blind Gardien (Post 69647915)
Trading Cole for Ryder and a pick (was that the Crisp pick?) was great. Ryder stepped in and produced for a while. We got out from the risk of Cole's cap hit at a time when Cole sure seems to be on the downswing.

But yeah, turning around and spending on Briere doesn't impress me. I don't know if I'd link them. One good move, one bad move. But let's see how they play too. If Cole gets his mojo back, or Briere gets his, there could yet be changes to the equation. It could work out. I'd rather have replaced Cole with a bigger better player, but then I suspect Bergevin had hoped for more as well. At least he put himself in the position to have the opportunity to improve the team. It doesn't look like it ultimately panned out. (Although again, we shall see). But he tried. :dunno:

my thoughts as well...

although they end up being relative roster swaps (plus the 3rd round pick), they aren't directly linked except in an EA sports sense.


it's a shame that after the positive move of freeing up both the cap space & roster spot, while adding a pick & without hurting the team short-term (and really, Ryder gave us more last season than Cole had been), MB wasn't able to follow it up with a positive roster addition.

i do get the frustration pointed out by some of the apparent inconsistency between MB's comments, and the roster moves that replace the 4.5M$ big-bodied PF Cole with the 4M$ diminutive Briere... not exactly a step in the right direction if making the team tougher to play against physically is the actual goal.

Jerk Store* 07-26-2013 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Blind Gardien (Post 69647915)
Trading Cole for Ryder and a pick (was that the Crisp pick?) was great. Ryder stepped in and produced for a while. We got out from the risk of Cole's cap hit at a time when Cole sure seems to be on the downswing.

But yeah, turning around and spending on Briere doesn't impress me. I don't know if I'd link them. One good move, one bad move. But let's see how they play too. If Cole gets his mojo back, or Briere gets his, there could yet be changes to the equation. It could work out. I'd rather have replaced Cole with a bigger better player, but then I suspect Bergevin had hoped for more as well. At least he put himself in the position to have the opportunity to improve the team. It doesn't look like it ultimately panned out. (Although again, we shall see). But he tried. :dunno:

It's not an amazing signing by any means, but I value clutch playoff performers, something Briere has proven time and time again. Contract isn't that long anyway.

Agnostic 07-26-2013 05:31 PM

I guess nobody cares about the third option of signing Ryder for 3.5m

The second guessers aren't doing a very good job .

25get 07-26-2013 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrankMTL (Post 69647071)
Are we talking about the Cole of 2012 or the Cole of 2013?

I thought about that too.
Cole 2013 vs Briere 2013: Briere
Cole 2011-12 vs Briere of 2011-12: not so sure.

But decision was taken in 2013.
So the answer is simple.

MonkeyBusiness 07-26-2013 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Agnostic (Post 69650923)
I guess nobody cares about the third option of signing Ryder for 3.5m

The second guessers aren't doing a very good job .

Do we know that Ryder wanted to sign here in the first place?


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