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harro92 07-29-2013 04:52 AM

Phi - phx
 
Phoenix Recieve:
Matt Read
Petr Placek

Philadelphia
Rostislav Klesa
Louis Domingue

Karlkarotte 07-29-2013 05:39 AM

Both klesla and read are ufas after this season so I guess equal risk. We have a good set of goalie prospects so its okay to lose louis. I'd do this.

Stizzle 07-29-2013 05:55 AM

This trade couldn't work even if we wanted to. We don't have the cap space at the moment. I wouldn't do this anyway. Klesla seems like he would be a redundant player on our team. We already have a severe overload of 2nd pair-ish defensemen (some closer to 1st, some closer to 3rd).

Timonen
Coburn
Schenn
Gustafsson
Grossmann
Streit
Meszaros


We need a legit top pair guy. Also, Read serves an extremely important role on our team that we have no replacement for.

dawkins121 07-29-2013 07:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Stizzle (Post 69720691)
This trade couldn't work even if we wanted to. We don't have the cap space at the moment. I wouldn't do this anyway. Klesla seems like he would be a redundant player on our team. We already have a severe overload of 2nd pair-ish defensemen (some closer to 1st, some closer to 3rd).

Timonen
Coburn
Schenn
Gustafsson
Grossmann
Streit
Meszaros


We need a legit top pair guy. Also, Read serves an extremely important role on our team that we have no replacement for.

Exactly, everyone seems to think the Flyers need defensemen and goalies which isn't entirely true. They need high end defensemen and goalies, not mid pairing guys and goalie prospects.

That's what bugs me about a lot of these proposals (not necessarily this one), people dismiss the Flyers defense as being awful then offer their extraneous #4 or #5 d-man like we should be thanking them for being so generous. "Flyers defense is a joke! Here take Raphael Diaz or John-Michael Liles, that will surely vault them into contention!"

RJ8812 07-29-2013 07:43 AM

The Flyers have one too many defenseman as is. If we acquire Klesla, then we would have to move 2

TorstenFrings 07-29-2013 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by dawkins121 (Post 69721523)
Exactly, everyone seems to think the Flyers need defensemen and goalies which isn't entirely true. They need high end defensemen and goalies, not mid pairing guys and goalie prospects.

That's what bugs me about a lot of these proposals (not necessarily this one), people dismiss the Flyers defense as being awful then offer their extraneous #4 or #5 d-man like we should be thanking them for being so generous. "Flyers defense is a joke! Here take Raphael Diaz or John-Michael Liles, that will surely vault them into contention!"

Ugh, I thought this proposal was fine. Klesla won't vault anyone into contention, but you really would not get a piece that does that for something around Read, so it's kind of a "you get what you pay for" conundrum.

I agree though that the "your defense sucks and you are over the cap, so trade me Couturiers ELC for my overpaid #4D" thing is way too widespread for lacking any logic whatsoever.

dawkins121 07-29-2013 08:53 AM

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Originally Posted by TorstenFrings (Post 69722205)
Ugh, I thought this proposal was fine. Klesla won't vault anyone into contention, but you really would not get a piece that does that for something around Read, so it's kind of a "you get what you pay for" conundrum.

I agree though that the "your defense sucks and you are over the cap, so trade me Couturiers ELC for my overpaid #4D" thing is way too widespread for lacking any logic whatsoever.

Well it's not like the Flyers are trying to trade Read so why wouldn't they just keep him? Value wise the proposal might be fine but if Klesla doesn't add anything that the Flyers don't have already, why would they do this?

Alex Mills 07-29-2013 09:19 AM

This doesnít look like a move that either club would realistically consider. The Flyers would lose Readís production without a suitable replacement or upgrade, exceed the cap ceiling by another $2 million, and include a fading forward prospect in Placek that has managed just three points in 45 career NCAA games and may not receive an NHL entry level contract offer without showing significant improvement before graduation. In exchange, the Coyotes would lose what is perhaps their top goaltending prospect in Domingue as well as Klesla, an integral part of their playoff success last summer and their biggest physical presence on defense, an area on the roster where the Flyers actually need to shed salary.

Karlkarotte 07-29-2013 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Mills (Post 69723247)
This doesnít look like a move that either club would realistically consider. The Flyers would lose Readís production without a suitable replacement or upgrade, exceed the cap ceiling by another $2 million, and include a fading forward prospect in Placek that has managed just three points in 45 career NCAA games and may not receive an NHL entry level contract offer without showing significant improvement before graduation. In exchange, the Coyotes would lose what is perhaps their top goaltending prospect in Domingue as well as Klesla, an integral part of their playoff success last summer and their biggest physical presence on defense, an area on the roster where the Flyers actually need to shed salary.

klesla is expendable to us and will be a ufa next summer and Dominigue isn`t our best goalie prospect . Probably not a great deal for philly, but overall a good deal for the coyotes.

Jray42 07-29-2013 01:00 PM

We're trying to ship out a mid pairing dman (Meszaros), not acquire another one.

Klesla is redundant and has no place on the Flyers.

Timonen - Schenn
Streit - Coburn
Grossmann - Gustafsson
Meszaros
Klesla?

Nah.

Alex Mills 07-29-2013 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Karlkarotte (Post 69727687)
klesla is expendable to us and will be a ufa next summer and Dominigue isn`t our best goalie prospect . Probably not a great deal for philly, but overall a good deal for the coyotes.

There would be very little value for the Flyers to trade Read for this kind of return when they already have too many expensive veteran defenseman on the roster and Stolarz and Chubak in the system. Based on the numbers, trends, ages and roles, Morris actually seems more expendable than Klesla.

Domingue, Lee and Visentin all made the jump from the ECHL last year, and while Visentin got more ice time, Domingue is the only one of the three whose goals against and save percentage actually improved at the AHL level.

Burke was just drafted in June and looked rough in his few minutes of ice time for Portland in the WHL playoffs, and Langhammer did not impress in his first year with Medicine Hat either. Johnson left for Boston and Greiss is an inexpensive stopgap solution until one of these other guys is ready, but it could be a while.

Human 07-29-2013 01:40 PM

the Flyers need a #1 dman and a #1 goalie. which they won't get in trades...

Coppy 07-29-2013 01:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Mills (Post 69730099)
Domingue, Lee and Visentin all made the jump from the ECHL last year, and while Visentin got more ice time, Domingue is the only one of the three whose goals against and save percentage actually improved at the AHL level.

He only played 2 games in the AHL and was pretty unimpressive in the ECHL.

Kimahri 07-29-2013 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Mills (Post 69730099)
There would be very little value for the Flyers to trade Read for this kind of return when they already have too many expensive veteran defenseman on the roster and Stolarz and Chubak in the system. Based on the numbers, trends, ages and roles, Morris actually seems more expendable than Klesla.

Domingue, Lee and Visentin all made the jump from the ECHL last year, and while Visentin got more ice time, Domingue is the only one of the three whose goals against and save percentage actually improved at the AHL level.

Burke was just drafted in June and looked rough in his few minutes of ice time for Portland in the WHL playoffs, and Langhammer did not impress in his first year with Medicine Hat either. Johnson left for Boston and Greiss is an inexpensive stopgap solution until one of these other guys is ready, but it could be a while.

You obviously have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to the Phoenix Coyotes. You seem to be the type that takes a quick glance at the stat sheet before coming to hfboards and posting. Morris more expendable than Klesla? Domingue is behind Visentin and Lee on the depth chart. Visentin didn't "make the jump" to the AHL, he was up from the start. Unless you are counting his one career ECHL game, that was in mid March I believe? It's like you are telling an actual Coyotes fan about how the team he follows depth chart is situated, and who is and isn't expendable. And doing a terrible job in the process.

Curufinwe 07-29-2013 03:10 PM

In another thread a Coyotes fan though my proposal of Matt Read for Michael Stone was fair, provided Read was signed to an extension first.

Cootsfanclub 07-29-2013 03:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Human (Post 69731123)
the Flyers need a #1 dman and a #1 goalie. which they won't get in trades...

They've gotten a #1 dman in a trade before.

Alex Mills 07-29-2013 07:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimahri (Post 69731415)
You obviously have no idea what you're talking about when it comes to the Phoenix Coyotes. You seem to be the type that takes a quick glance at the stat sheet before coming to hfboards and posting. Morris more expendable than Klesla? Domingue is behind Visentin and Lee on the depth chart. Visentin didn't "make the jump" to the AHL, he was up from the start. Unless you are counting his one career ECHL game, that was in mid March I believe? It's like you are telling an actual Coyotes fan about how the team he follows depth chart is situated, and who is and isn't expendable. And doing a terrible job in the process.

A pretty needy spin, but not entirely accurate. The statement that was made was that Domingue is perhaps their best goaltending prospect, and his resume and recent play support that line of thinking.

All three goalies spent time in the ECHL and AHL last season as the team continues to assess their talent, sensitivity to timelines notwithstanding. Lee was named ECHL Goalie Of The Week in late October and also participated in the ECHL All-Star Game, but was bounced around a bit afterward. Domingue replaced him as the starter, and he finished the regular season on an impressive 10-2-0 run with a 2.09 goals against, 0.926 save percentage and two shutouts to help Gwinnet reach the second round of the playoffs for the first time in five years. He went 6-3-1 with a 2.23 goals against, 0.926 save percentage and two more shutouts in the playoffs. He also had two winning streaks of six or more games last year, and never had a losing streak of more than two games. Domingue also won a championship in a tandem with Riopel in Moncton three years ago, something neither Lee nor Visentin has on their professional resume.

As for Visentin, he obviously spent the majority of the season in Portland but he didn’t play well, earned no honors, was demoted at one point in March and failed to make an appearance in the postseason, so it’s pretty difficult to argue he’s ahead of anyone on a depth chart after that. And Lee made no playoff appearances for either team this year either. It begins to downgrade both of their organizational importance despite whatever their depth chart positions were before. In his brief stint in Portland, Domingue had better numbers than the both of them regardless of the sample size, and my only point before the hissy fit was that it might makes more sense for the organization to see how he does with a full season in the AHL next year based on his performance this year, rather than trade him to a team that doesn’t need him or Klesla and already has some decent goaltending prospects of their own.

Morris has primarily been an offensive-minded defenseman throughout his career, but his point production has been in steady decline for the better part of a decade now and he just completed his first NHL season without scoring a single goal. He’s improved his physical game over the past couple of years, but he’s still below average in that respect. With Ekman-Larsson and Yandle leading the charge and Stone, Rundblad and Gormley all knocking on the door, Morris’ days in Phoenix are numbered. He was already asked to waive his no trade clause to join the Bruins at the deadline in April according to multiple reports, but the Bruins acquired Redden instead.

In terms of similarities, neither Morris nor Klesla have played a full NHL season since 2008 and both have pretty ugly career +/- ratings, but Klesla has been the steadier of the two over the past couple of seasons, including their playoff run last summer. Morris had 22 points and 74 PIMs with a -18 rating in 98 games over that stretch, while Klesla had 21 points and 76 PIMs with a +13 rating in 103 games. Morris has a career rating of -42, including a -16 rating since coming back to Phoenix three years ago. Klesla has a career rating of -43, but is +7 since arriving in Phoenix two years ago. It’s obviously not all about numbers, but Klesla has a slight advantage there based on the recent past.

Klesla is also the biggest body they have on the blue line, and every team needs those invaluable, experienced guys that clear the crease, especially those that take it up another notch in the playoffs. If he was traded for Read, they’d lose a much-needed physical presence down low without a suitable replacement due to their current surplus of mobile defensemen, and Smith would be in for a long season of screens, deflections and second chance opportunities. And we all saw what happened to the Flyers when faced with that same dilemma last year.

It’s surprising there was no legitimate reason mentioned in the reply as to why Domingue couldn’t have possibly moved atop their positional depth chart after this season or why he’s so disposable. He gets mentioned in a lopsided, throwaway trade proposal, and suddenly someone hung up on CapGeek accuracy and blind assumption decides to jump in and recklessly defend the two guys supposedly ahead of him who didn’t get playing time when it mattered most as well as the defenseman that almost left town four months ago. Next.

XX 07-29-2013 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Mills (Post 69743187)
Morrisí days in Phoenix are numbered.

Can you bold that part of your post? Just a convenience thing, so Coyote fans know to skip right over your post.

IPreferPi 07-29-2013 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Alex Mills (Post 69743187)
Morris has primarily been an offensive-minded defenseman throughout his career, but his point production has been in steady decline for the better part of a decade now and he just completed his first NHL season without scoring a single goal. He’s improved his physical game over the past couple of years, but he’s still below average in that respect. With Ekman-Larsson and Yandle leading the charge and Stone, Rundblad and Gormley all knocking on the door, Morris’ days in Phoenix are numbered. He was already asked to waive his no trade clause to join the Bruins at the deadline in April according to multiple reports, but the Bruins acquired Redden instead.

In terms of similarities, neither Morris nor Klesla have played a full NHL season since 2008 and both have pretty ugly career +/- ratings, but Klesla has been the steadier of the two over the past couple of seasons, including their playoff run last summer. Morris had 22 points and 74 PIMs with a -18 rating in 98 games over that stretch, while Klesla had 21 points and 76 PIMs with a +13 rating in 103 games. Morris has a career rating of -42, including a -16 rating since coming back to Phoenix three years ago. Klesla has a career rating of -43, but is +7 since arriving in Phoenix two years ago. It’s obviously not all about numbers, but Klesla has a slight advantage there based on the recent past.

Klesla is also the biggest body they have on the blue line, and every team needs those invaluable, experienced guys that clear the crease, especially those that take it up another notch in the playoffs. If he was traded for Read, they’d lose a much-needed physical presence down low without a suitable replacement due to their current surplus of mobile defensemen, and Smith would be in for a long season of screens, deflections and second chance opportunities. And we all saw what happened to the Flyers when faced with that same dilemma last year.

Disagree a good bit with your assessment of Morris (as will most other Yotes HFers). He's more or less our thumper on our blueline and hits a lot more than Klesla does - perhaps Morris earlier in his career had a below-average physical game for a d-man, but he's at least above average in that regard now (Stone is also more physical than Klesla and Summers can hit as well). Morris is still offensively minded, but he's taken a stay-at-home role as Yandle's partner ever since we reacquired him, and plays significant PK minutes.

Morris had a pretty mediocre 2011-2012 season, but he did have some family issues. Last offseason he dropped some weight and although he didn't score any goals this season, he matched his point output from the previous season (11 points) in 20 less games and looked a heck of a lot better in both ends overall. Klesla meanwhile took a lot longer to get on track this season and eventually lost minutes as a result of the emergence of Stone, who seems pegged to replace Morris as Yandle's future partner and our resident TWD thumper with a heavy shot.

Granted, Klesla is a lot more reliable and disciplined defensively than Morris and would be a Top 4 shutdown defenseman on a lot of other teams. But Klesla is considered to be more disposable than Morris, partly because of our organizational depth at LHD (OEL, Yandle, Schlemko, and Summers, who is a younger, cheaper, and a lot more mobile version of Klesla - not to mention we have Gormley knocking on the door), and partly because Morris is more regarded for his leadership in the locker room and in the community (e.g., he was the only Yote who attended the CoG lease vote in June).

In any case, Klesla is a gritty stay-at-home defender whom we'd love to keep - but at 3M, he's a redundant luxury we can't afford and will likely be moved for a forward before the season starts.

Boxscore 07-29-2013 09:16 PM

Read for Rundblad would make more sense from the Flyers standpoint.

Flyerss 07-29-2013 10:54 PM

we were only ready to move read for Bernier dosen't mean he is on Trade Block

Kimahri 07-30-2013 03:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Mills (Post 69743187)
A pretty needy spin, but not entirely accurate. The statement that was made was that Domingue is perhaps their best goaltending prospect, and his resume and recent play support that line of thinking.
...........

So by your logic, Chad Johnson is a better goaltender than either of Mike Smith and Jason LaBarbera(well he's probably better than Barbera) because he had the better numbers in the NHL regardless of sample size? And Lee didn't get "bounced around". He got promoted to the AHL while Johnson was in the NHL when Smith was injured because he was the more deserving at the time. And another time when both Johnson and Visentin were injured.

I'm not trying to downplay Domingue's run at the end of the season, and into the playoffs, it was outstanding. I really like him as a prospect, as well as all of our goaltending prospects outside of Langhammer. But the fact is, he's in the ECHL and Lee is the first call up for a reason. And sample size does matter. Lee also had outstanding numbers in the AHL until his sample size grew larger. And I feel the need to use Chad Johnson as an example again. Look at his small sample size of NHL games. His numbers improved going from the AHL to the NHL. Does anyone think he's going to be an outstanding goalie? Not really. You're putting too much stock into the stat sheet.

I'm not even going to mention anything regarding Morris, considering you seem to be under the impression he's still an offensive defenseman who is below average physically.

Alex Mills 07-30-2013 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by IPreferPi (Post 69744415)
Disagree a good bit with your assessment of Morris (as will most other Yotes HFers). He's more or less our thumper on our blueline and hits a lot more than Klesla does - perhaps Morris earlier in his career had a below-average physical game for a d-man, but he's at least above average in that regard now (Stone is also more physical than Klesla and Summers can hit as well). Morris is still offensively minded, but he's taken a stay-at-home role as Yandle's partner ever since we reacquired him, and plays significant PK minutes.

Morris had a pretty mediocre 2011-2012 season, but he did have some family issues. Last offseason he dropped some weight and although he didn't score any goals this season, he matched his point output from the previous season (11 points) in 20 less games and looked a heck of a lot better in both ends overall. Klesla meanwhile took a lot longer to get on track this season and eventually lost minutes as a result of the emergence of Stone, who seems pegged to replace Morris as Yandle's future partner and our resident TWD thumper with a heavy shot.

Granted, Klesla is a lot more reliable and disciplined defensively than Morris and would be a Top 4 shutdown defenseman on a lot of other teams. But Klesla is considered to be more disposable than Morris, partly because of our organizational depth at LHD (OEL, Yandle, Schlemko, and Summers, who is a younger, cheaper, and a lot more mobile version of Klesla - not to mention we have Gormley knocking on the door), and partly because Morris is more regarded for his leadership in the locker room and in the community (e.g., he was the only Yote who attended the CoG lease vote in June).

In any case, Klesla is a gritty stay-at-home defender whom we'd love to keep - but at 3M, he's a redundant luxury we can't afford and will likely be moved for a forward before the season starts.

Some respectable points made here, but would agree to disagree on others. The fact that Morris is a great locker room presence with community ties is really admirable, but if he’s one of their primary penalty killers, it’s surprising that the fans and local media haven’t been a bit more vocal for adjustments or changes. Folks may not be aware, but he’s been on the ice for the ninth most power play goals among all active defensemen, so his +/- issues aren’t just confined to even strength play. And their penalty killing unit was one of only nine teams under 80% last year and was tied for the seventh most goals allowed. His struggles in this area throughout his career would call the decision to play him in these situations into question.

Due to his continued decline in production, Morris had to reinvent his game into that of a stay-at-home defenseman, and he’ll likely remain just behind the curve in that capacity until that transition is complete, as he’s still occasionally used on the power play unit. He finished in the top thirty among all defensemen in hits for the first time in his career last season, and while that statistic is above average and a welcome addition, the physical part of the game isn’t just about hits and blocks. To your point, it has a lot to do with incorporating those elements with discipline. And the fact that he had the second worst +/- rating on the team last season and the worst among all of their defensemen at this stage of his career translates to a higher than normal risk factor when their opponents have quality scoring chances and he's on the ice over 35% of the time.

As far as the left-right dynamic, they could also maintain a sense of balance with Michalek, Rundblad and Stone on the right side without Morris. It’s obviously easier to move Klesla as there are no contractual limitations, but Morris agreeing to wave his no trade clause earlier this year opened a Pandora’s Box of sorts. Both have a year left on their deals, and someone has to be moved in exchange for decent depth up front. Given the outpouring for Morris here, it’s understandable if he stayed given his sacrifice to change his playing style to fill a void, but it’s hard to make a case there aren’t more natural fits for that role to ultimately help the team get another step closer to a championship.

IPreferPi 07-30-2013 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Alex Mills (Post 69759105)
Some respectable points made here, but would agree to disagree on others. The fact that Morris is a great locker room presence with community ties is really admirable, but if he’s one of their primary penalty killers, it’s surprising that the fans and local media haven’t been a bit more vocal for adjustments or changes. Folks may not be aware, but he’s been on the ice for the ninth most power play goals among all active defensemen, so his +/- issues aren’t just confined to even strength play. And their penalty killing unit was one of only nine teams under 80% last year and was tied for the seventh most goals allowed. His struggles in this area throughout his career would call the decision to play him in these situations into question.

Last year our PK and defense as a whole was pretty inconsistent (IMO, the teams that rely more on their defensive systems instead of talent all had their struggles with the compressed post-lockout schedule). The season before though the Yotes were 8th in the league at the PK (85.5%).

Again, from what I've seen (and I've seen every Yotes game in the past 4 seasons), I have to disagree with your assessment about Morris. Morris has been a fairly effective PKer in his 2nd stint in Phoenix, and the (advanced) stats do back that up; although he does play 2nd fiddle a little bit to OEL/Michalek/Klesla with TOI in that area, Morris's GA20, OppSH%, and FenHARD in shorthanded situations last season was the best of the four this season, and 2nd only to Klesla among team defensemen in 2011-2012.

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As far as the left-right dynamic, they could also maintain a sense of balance with Michalek, Rundblad and Stone on the right side without Morris. It’s obviously easier to move Klesla as there are no contractual limitations, but Morris agreeing to wave his no trade clause earlier this year opened a Pandora’s Box of sorts. Both have a year left on their deals, and someone has to be moved in exchange for decent depth up front. Given the outpouring for Morris here, it’s understandable if he stayed given his sacrifice to change his playing style to fill a void, but it’s hard to make a case there aren’t more natural fits for that role to ultimately help the team get another step closer to a championship.
Yes, Morris was asked by Maloney to waive his no-trade clause at the deadline, but the fact remains he was not moved - I think talk about opening "Pandora's Box" is hyperbole. In any case, Morris probably won't garner as high of a return as Klesla on the market because of that NTC.

And the right side of our defense is definitely not as deep as the left; Michalek is getting older and has been dealing with some injury issues lately, Stone probably will become a Top 4 blueliner beginning next season but he could regress, and although Rundblad certainly improved his defense in Portland last season, he still looked erratic in his own end in the 8 games he played for the Yotes, and will definitely need to be sheltered. Beyond those 3, Murphy is still a few years off and has yet to stay healthy. In other words, Morris is definitely much more needed for depth than Klesla is.

Alex Mills 07-30-2013 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Kimahri (Post 69754669)
So by your logic, Chad Johnson is a better goaltender than either of Mike Smith and Jason LaBarbera(well he's probably better than Barbera) because he had the better numbers in the NHL regardless of sample size? And Lee didn't get "bounced around". He got promoted to the AHL while Johnson was in the NHL when Smith was injured because he was the more deserving at the time. And another time when both Johnson and Visentin were injured.

I'm not trying to downplay Domingue's run at the end of the season, and into the playoffs, it was outstanding. I really like him as a prospect, as well as all of our goaltending prospects outside of Langhammer. But the fact is, he's in the ECHL and Lee is the first call up for a reason. And sample size does matter. Lee also had outstanding numbers in the AHL until his sample size grew larger. And I feel the need to use Chad Johnson as an example again. Look at his small sample size of NHL games. His numbers improved going from the AHL to the NHL. Does anyone think he's going to be an outstanding goalie? Not really. You're putting too much stock into the stat sheet.

I'm not even going to mention anything regarding Morris, considering you seem to be under the impression he's still an offensive defenseman who is below average physically.

Jeez, less substance and more spin. The original point was about Domingue’s value, which is getting another tap dance here. It’s pretty funny that it just takes an opinion about a goaltending prospect to keep you up nights.

It’s not surprising that Johnson was mentioned either, again off topic. His AHL numbers are frankly hit and miss, and he somehow managed to get recalled a few times and did a nice job, but let's not get ridiculous. His numbers don't make him better than Smith, but he deserved more of a chance to prove what he could do in Smith’s absence based on his numbers in limited ice time, and he'll get that chance in Boston.

And to that end, it would be fascinating to hear the back-and-forth logic as to why Lee wasn’t the first call-up to Phoenix over Johnson when Smith was injured, or why he wasn’t the first choice to start for Gwinnet in the playoffs over Domingue if he had unimpressive numbers with increased responsibility yet was more deserving than the others. It was never stated above that Domingue is better than Lee or Visentin, only that he arguably could move past them given the chance to prove himself above the ECHL level based on his play this past season. It’s that simple.

As for Morris, his offensive game has dropped off to the point he was forced to redefine his role. He's become a decent hitter in the process, but that hasn't exactly been his reputation and there’s more to physical play than that. The hits and missed hits actually took him out of position at times, and when his career is over, he will unfortunately not be viewed as one of the above average physical or stay at home defenseman of his generation. He's obviously beloved in Phoenix, but he’s been their worst positional defender at even strength for the past two years and his track record as a penalty killer is rather suspect. Again, the earlier point was more about Klesla’s value, which was completely ignored. As was Read's value.

Perhaps you’re right in the sense that there is too much emphasis being placed on stats. Teams shouldn’t pay as much attention to those. They’re just a bunch of numbers that show how well these guys do their jobs. They're not really that helpful or important.


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