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Punxrocknyc19* 08-13-2013 09:57 PM

Pavel Buchnevich
 
http://www.inlouwetrust.com/2013/6/1...ospect-profile


i hope he pans out.. maybe he ends up being the other goal scorer Rangers lacked..

jacko23 08-14-2013 08:19 AM

i never liked how guys get compared to their peers. the article compared him to Yakupov, Grigorenko and other YOUNG guys who are still finding their game. i would have been more confident in a comparison to Fedorov, Malkin, Zherdev, etc....

all that said, it seems too risky 1) size, 2) KHL factor and 3) work ethic. sounds like another kid who would bolt back home to Russia where lazy play is accepted once coaches here in NA start to put the pressure on.

bernmeister 08-14-2013 05:25 PM

Here's what's key to me:

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The 18-year-old left wing comes in at 6'1" and 161 lbs. ...

Along with needing to bulk up his smaller frame, Buchnevich also needs to work on certain aspects of his game. His coach in the KHL notes his need to work on his off ice training. While he is always eager to get on the ice, he doesn't show that same desire when training. It has also been noted that he needs to work on the defensive aspects of his game. While he has great vision and playmaking ability, he can be a liability on defense at times.

On the plus side, Buchnevich has the potential to be a very special player. He has an extremely impressive skill set. He was considered to be the best player on his team in the MHL and was part of the second Russian team to ever win the World U17 Hockey Challenge in Canada - ....
he is a speedy winger with great skating ability, natural talent, and is smart on the ice. ...

6'1" may not be oversized, but it is not undersized.
He's speedy to begin with.
We just have to be careful about making sure as we add to his frame he does not get out of shape.

Thankfully, not too concerned about the skills.

Maturity, ok and work ethic, particularly on D, agree this is a problem, but maybe now only with the brass ring or gold or whatever just coming into sight, only now is he gonna buckle down and put himself thru the rigors of serious training.

That's what this guy has to understand.
The faster he demonstrates he's worthy, the faster he gets his chance, the faster he does that, the faster he makes $$$.

Yeah, he can do KHL money, but gotta think if you first prove yourself at NHL you make more later in any other league.

offdacrossbar 08-16-2013 06:59 PM

imo, hes the best pure offensive prospect in our system.

buchnevich has a tremendous shot. his shooting is perhaps his best asset. hes is a pure sniper with the ability to beat nhl netminders right now.

he has all the shots. snap, wrist and very heavy slapper. he shows great timing and the ability to move his body in opposite direction and one time with power. he can pick corners and shows high ability to shoot off stride. his deek moves are natural and intuitive and his ability to shoot it at full speed is top notch.

he can get pucks on net with speed and accuracy. something this organization is sorely lacking since we moved thomas.

BlessThisMess513 08-16-2013 08:54 PM

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Originally Posted by offdacrossbar (Post 70272725)
imo, hes the best pure offensive prospect in our system.

buchnevich has a tremendous shot. his shooting is perhaps his best asset. hes is a pure sniper with the ability to beat nhl netminders right now.

he has all the shots. snap, wrist and very heavy slapper. he shows great timing and the ability to move his body in opposite direction and one time with power. he can pick corners and shows high ability to shoot off stride. his deek moves are natural and intuitive and his ability to shoot it at full speed is top notch.

he can get pucks on net with speed and accuracy. something this organization is sorely lacking since we moved thomas.

Better than St. Croix?

Green Blob* 08-16-2013 09:50 PM

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Originally Posted by BlessThisMess513 (Post 70275311)
Better than St. Croix?

Offensive potential wise? Hell yea.

But the odds of reaching that potential arent very high. But than again they arent very high for St Croix either at an NHL level.

IF, big big big IF, Buchnevich reaches his highest potential, he is a 1st liner in the NHL. IF (again big IFs) St Croix reaches his full potential, he is a good 2nd liner.

Crease 08-16-2013 09:55 PM

Maybe I'm jaded by the years but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for this organization to develop a player with elite offensive ability. Whether it's Buchnevich, St. Croix, Kreider, whoever.

Green Blob* 08-16-2013 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Crease (Post 70276413)
Maybe I'm jaded by the years but I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for this organization to develop a player with elite offensive ability. Whether it's Buchnevich, St. Croix, Kreider, whoever.

Agree with you there.

BUT ugh, Cherepanov (RIP) he would have been the one.

end2endrush 08-16-2013 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Green Blob (Post 70276437)
Agree with you there.

BUT ugh, Cherepanov (RIP) he would have been the one.


Agreed. He had it. Way too tragic. Can't dwell on it but damn..he had it. RIP

Barnaby 08-17-2013 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by offdacrossbar (Post 70272725)
imo, hes the best pure offensive prospect in our system.

buchnevich has a tremendous shot. his shooting is perhaps his best asset. hes is a pure sniper with the ability to beat nhl netminders right now.

he has all the shots. snap, wrist and very heavy slapper. he shows great timing and the ability to move his body in opposite direction and one time with power. he can pick corners and shows high ability to shoot off stride. his deek moves are natural and intuitive and his ability to shoot it at full speed is top notch.

he can get pucks on net with speed and accuracy. something this organization is sorely lacking since we moved thomas.

I know that you love your Russians. Would you feel the same way if his name was Todd Smith from Arizona? I'm actually pretty hopeful about him, but how many times could you have seen him play to make that statement?

Edit: I'm not trying to be overly critical of you personally. We've all had our ups, and downs (My future first line center Frolik). I just remember you banging the Lisin/Koko drums for a long while.

Slay 08-21-2013 04:22 AM

#89

Assist:


Goal at 0:27


Assist at 2:26:

Slay 08-24-2013 10:52 PM

1+1 against Dynamo Moscow in a 5-2 loss

goal at 1:45, assist is right after

Raspewtin 08-25-2013 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Slay (Post 70495019)
1+1 against Dynamo Moscow in a 5-2 loss

goal at 1:45, assist is right after

so you'd say he's having a pretty good start to the year?

Slay 08-25-2013 01:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Raspewtin (Post 70496437)
so you'd say he's having a pretty good start to the year?

It is preseason so far but he does pretty well stats wise. We'll see if he stays with Antipov, if he will he might have pretty good year.

http://s13.postimg.org/fi08jjk1z/2013_08_25_141442.png

Ih8theislanders 08-25-2013 09:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Slay (Post 70496923)
It is preseason so far but he does pretty well stats wise. We'll see if he stays with Antipov, if he will he might have pretty good year.

http://s13.postimg.org/fi08jjk1z/2013_08_25_141442.png

Thanks for the update

jniklast 08-25-2013 10:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slay (Post 70496923)
It is preseason so far but he does pretty well stats wise. We'll see if he stays with Antipov, if he will he might have pretty good year.

http://s13.postimg.org/fi08jjk1z/2013_08_25_141442.png

It would be too great if he could turn into a 60 glass player ;)

BBKers 08-25-2013 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by jniklast (Post 70501279)
It would be too great if he could turn into a 60 glass player ;)

Yes, with many highly regarded transmissions in addition

RGY 01-04-2014 05:23 PM

Just watched the replay of Sweden/Russia WJC. Wild game, especially at the end. I was pretty impressed with Buchnevich. He was on the top line, made some nice plays. Not physical but skilled.

Beacon 01-04-2014 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by RGY (Post 77334669)
Just watched the replay of Sweden/Russia WJC. Wild game, especially at the end. I was pretty impressed with Buchnevich. He was on the type line, made some nice plays. Not physical but skilled.

That's what I thought. He fought along the boards, drove to the net, didn't seem weak or hesitant physically at all. He looks big and fast. At 6-2 176 pounds, he's not small, in fact, he's bigger than most hockey players. In the next couple of years, he'll probably get himself to 200 pounds. His defense wasn't phenomenal, but not terrible either. He looked like a good prospect in this game and throughout the tournament.

Kwayry 01-05-2014 02:18 AM

What are the odds of him coming over when his KHL contract is over?

Beacon 01-05-2014 03:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Kwayry (Post 77380517)
What are the odds of him coming over when his KHL contract is over?


If he thinks he can be a top-6 player, he'll play here. If he thinks he'll be the next Marcel Hossa, being a good player in the KHL makes more sense.

Ola 01-05-2014 04:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RGY (Post 77334669)
Just watched the replay of Sweden/Russia WJC. Wild game, especially at the end. I was pretty impressed with Buchnevich. He was on the top line, made some nice plays. Not physical but skilled.

He got better as the tournament progressed. Was Russia's best player late in the game when they were chasing Sweden. He went into traffic several times and had like 4-5 chances.

He was pretty good defensively and fought hard for the puck. Big flaw is intensity away from the puck and -- in a sense -- mentality. If he literary is hurt (not injured), he can stop playing and skate slowly to the bench. If he is on a PP and it struggles, you can see his intensity go below 0 (along with a few others on that team) and they start complaining on each others.

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Originally Posted by jacko23 (Post 70190263)
all that said, it seems too risky [...] 2) KHL factor and 3) work ethic. sounds like another kid who would bolt back home to Russia where lazy play is accepted once coaches here in NA start to put the pressure on.

This is the probable scenario for sure for Buch. Let's be honest here. But I still like the pick, because if he comes to NA and really adopts, we got a top 6 forward on our hands. And you know, possibly even something better than that.

I know that Graves does a great job with a bunch of our kids. I would really hope that Graves could get through to a kid like Buch too. So much will come down to how Buch applies himself going forward.

Ola 01-05-2014 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kwayry (Post 77380517)
What are the odds of him coming over when his KHL contract is over?

I don't know, but you know, he came to our Rookie camp etc. He was at the draft, right?

He gotta be interested at least. I mean, basically all the better young Russian's comes to the NHL. I can't on a straight arm come up with one single example of a higher pick never coming over (not counting the players that the jury is still out on). Many have returned lately though.

RGY 01-05-2014 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Beacon (Post 77335979)
That's what I thought. He fought along the boards, drove to the net, didn't seem weak or hesitant physically at all. He looks big and fast. At 6-2 176 pounds, he's not small, in fact, he's bigger than most hockey players. In the next couple of years, he'll probably get himself to 200 pounds. His defense wasn't phenomenal, but not terrible either. He looked like a good prospect in this game and throughout the tournament.

Agree 100% with this. He wasn't throwing his weight around in what was a very physical game but he didn't shy away from the dirty areas. He even got dumped a couple of times to make a play. One thing that stood out was he was very shifty behind the net when he was facing the boards with the puck. Reminded a lot of what Hagelin and Kreider do (Dom Moore does it too); he used a lot of head fakes and stutter steps to change direction to avoid hits and create some separation to make plays. That I liked a lot in a physical game.

Krampus 01-05-2014 08:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Ola (Post 77382087)
I don't know, but you know, he came to our Rookie camp etc. He was at the draft, right?\

He was at the draft, but not at training camp, because the KHL season had already started


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