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Tomas W 08-21-2013 02:03 AM

So with all those Swedes on the team...
 
Now that Holland looks hellbent to turn the Red Wings to the Blue and Yellow wings, (don't know if its an overcompentation for the loss of Lidström), Detroit is set to get a lot of attention in Swedish media next season.

I wonder if we're going to see a lot of Swedish hockey fans on the Detroit forum here because of that.

Detroit Red Wings do have two Michigan boys on the team, I think it's good that they do, it's a Michigan team after all. Although Abby might be getting more minutes than he deserves if his really going to play on the first line.

What do you fans from Michigan/(or the US at least) think, does it matter were the players comes from or is it just the principle of best available players that's matter?

Bench 08-21-2013 02:36 AM

National pride is pretty low on my list of concerns. Quite low, actually. Borders are for maps.

I enjoy players that are talented, work hard, and bring respect to the Wings organization. The Swedes do all of those things.

And for those playing at home, it's a pretty impressive list. Nine total. If we're talking about a 23-man roster, that's 39% of the team.

Zetterberg
Alfredsson
Franzen
Samuelsson
Nyquist
Andersson
Kronwall
Ericsson
Gustavsson

Tomas W 08-21-2013 03:10 AM

It's nothing new with many Swedes in Detroit I guess, it's how it looked like for 10 years or so, but I couldnt help to giggle about it a little. Some NHL teams seem to be magnetic, some repel Swedish players (like Edmonton) and some draws them (like Detroit).

DRWCountryClub 08-21-2013 03:10 AM

I live in Toronto, but I love the fact the Wings have always had a lot of European players(started watching in about '94).

Cheering for the Wings has actually made me pretty jaded towards Canadian hockey markets, fans, and the national teams.

I guess I like to see the Wings' players be successful, whether it's for the Wings, or nationally, so I'll generally cheer for Sweden, Russia, or whoever has Wings' players/prospects over Canada.

Plus it's always great that the Wings have been so successful and had a lot of Europeans. Really sticks it to the chest beating Canadian crowd and Cherry fanboys.

Above all else, the roster construction for the Wings has been very entertaining and successful for the last 20 years, so you can't really go wrong.

Tomas W 08-21-2013 03:20 AM

Yeah with Tatar, Datsuyk and Kindl we got some complementary euros, making DRW very heavy on euros right now.

Good to have a great Canadian prospect in Mantha now then, to counter weight a bit. :) A bit ironic that people critizise him for is lack of grit/agressiveness, just what the "Don Cherry" kind of people always think about euros.

mindfly 08-21-2013 06:22 AM

I prefer Canadian players over Swedish players, and I'm swedish myself... so...

SoupNazi 08-21-2013 07:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mindfly (Post 70386565)
I prefer Canadian players over Swedish players, and I'm swedish myself... so...

So...? Some people prefer Canadians (or Americans) and some prefer Swedes. It's a matter of personal opinion.

mindfly 08-21-2013 08:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SoupNazi (Post 70387431)
So...? Some people prefer Canadians (or Americans) and some prefer Swedes. It's a matter of personal opinion.

In regards to the opening post, he seem to think that all the swedes likes swedish players, and that there will be more swedish fans/posters because the wings got more swedish players than ever this upcoming season, I would have prefered if this team was a bit tougher and more north american.


And I also do think a lot of the casual fans in the U.S prefers north american players since it's easier to relate to them than Russians and whatnot.

Eternal Sunshine 08-21-2013 08:27 AM

We have gotten rid of the "fluffier" European players lately (Hudler, Filppula), so I don't see any reason for people to be upset by having Europeans on the team. The ones that we have don't fit any type of stereotype people might want to attach to them.

Tomas W 08-21-2013 08:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mindfly (Post 70387851)
In regards to the opening post, he seem to think that all the swedes likes swedish players, and that there will be more swedish fans/posters because the wings got more swedish players than ever this upcoming season, I would have prefered if this team was a bit tougher and more north american.


And I also do think a lot of the casual fans in the U.S prefers north american players since it's easier to relate to them than Russians and whatnot.

Yes obviously I meant that absolutely every Swedish hockey fans will start cheering on Detroit. :sarcasm:

But you have to be blind not notice the media exposure Detroit gets. A lot more than, lets say, the Kings. And the Kings aren't a bad team are they. Exposure is the best way of drawing new fans.

RedWingsForPresident 08-21-2013 09:32 AM

I personally like the Swedish players in the league. Russians are really the only ones that get on my nerves (besides Datsyuk of course).

We could have 20 Swedes for all I care. As long as we have the best possible product we can put on the ice and have a winning team, they could all be from Mexico

DatsyukToZetterberg 08-21-2013 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Forty (Post 70385783)
I live in Toronto, but I love the fact the Wings have always had a lot of European players(started watching in about '94).

Cheering for the Wings has actually made me pretty jaded towards Canadian hockey markets, fans, and the national teams.

I guess I like to see the Wings' players be successful, whether it's for the Wings, or nationally, so I'll generally cheer for Sweden, Russia, or whoever has Wings' players/prospects over Canada.

Plus it's always great that the Wings have been so successful and had a lot of Europeans. Really sticks it to the chest beating Canadian crowd and Cherry fanboys.

Above all else, the roster construction for the Wings has been very entertaining and successful for the last 20 years, so you can't really go wrong.

I agree with everything you said especially the bold. It's funny that my friends who all like American teams also feel the same way about Canadian teams in general. Guess it's cause our favorite team is always the bad guy. :laugh:

Uno Bench 08-21-2013 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomas W (Post 70387953)
No it wasnt.

To bad. If it was irony it could have been somewhat funny.. There are a large amount of Swedes, cause a large amount of the best hockey players in the world are Swedes. Ther Redwing management have noticed that fact too. Like it or like it not. And should some Canadian internet tough guy go all Don Cherry at the Red Wings for having to many Swedes (Euros) then I will personally se to that problem beeing taken care of whit über-tough argumentation, hf-style

bababooeyII 08-21-2013 10:11 AM

To further round out the Swedish love I would love to see them dump Quincey and pick up Doug Murray on the cheap.

crashman 08-21-2013 10:14 AM

I like that this team is mostly European. The European players have done a lot to get rid of the "soft" reputation over the years (but the Sedin's aren't helping). In fact, the biggest divers and whiners in this league seem to be good old Canadian boys (see Peron, Marchand, Joe Thornton). The Swedes, Fins, Czechs and Slovaks seem to be some of the most humble, hardworking and respectful guys in the league these days.

Sorry for this generalization, but a lot of the North American player these days seem like bros or d-bags. There's a few good ones, but guys like Corey Perry, Getzlaf, Pat Kane, Marchand, Tyler Seguin make me sour toward NA players. They don't make em like Stevie Y. anymore.

The only North American guys that feel any "pride" in are the players from Michigan. I don't care about USA players in general, but I have a soft spot for the Michigan guys (i.e. Miller, Abdelkader, DeKeyser, Rafalski).

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Originally Posted by mindfly (Post 70386565)
I prefer Canadian players over Swedish players, and I'm swedish myself... so...

Why do you have Bloomfield Hills as your location?...poser. :sarcasm:

Judging by a lot of your comments, I find it really hard to believe you're from Sweden.

Brick Top 08-21-2013 10:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RedWingsForPresident (Post 70389327)
I personally like the Swedish players in the league. Russians are really the only ones that get on my nerves (besides Datsyuk of course).

We could have 20 Swedes for all I care. As long as we have the best possible product we can put on the ice and have a winning team, they could all be from Mexico

Just curious- why do Russians get on your nerves? I kinda LOL'd reading that as it just sounds odd. Given your Swayze avatar, is it the whole original Red Dawn thing?

I always thought that, language barrier aside, Igor Kravchuk would be a great dude to grab a beer with.

mindfly 08-21-2013 11:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tomas W (Post 70388097)
Yes obviously I meant that absolutely every Swedish hockey fans will start cheering on Detroit. :sarcasm:

But you have to be blind not notice the media exposure Detroit gets. A lot more than, lets say, the Kings. And the Kings aren't a bad team are they. Exposure is the best way of drawing new fans.

Once Zetterberg, Franzen and Kronwall retires it will be a lot less media exposure, thank god.

SoupNazi 08-21-2013 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mindfly (Post 70392269)
Once Zetterberg, Franzen and Kronwall retires it will be a lot less media exposure, thank god.

And what's wrong with media exposure? It brings in more of a fanbase, which in turn brings in more money, which in turn allows the team to spend more to build a contender.

lilidk 08-21-2013 12:08 PM

I would rather have Slovak Hossa over Franzen or even Z

Tomas W 08-21-2013 12:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mindfly (Post 70392269)
Once Zetterberg, Franzen and Kronwall retires it will be a lot less media exposure, thank god.

That depends on how successful Nyquist and or Järnkrok gets, but it could happen as you say.

mindfly 08-21-2013 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoupNazi (Post 70392555)
And what's wrong with media exposure? It brings in more of a fanbase, which in turn brings in more money, which in turn allows the team to spend more to build a contender.

It brings more bandwaggoners yeah, it's better to get a solid fanbase than bandwaggoners who just heard of the team due to the major exposure.

Heaton 08-21-2013 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mindfly (Post 70394121)
It brings more bandwaggoners yeah, it's better to get a solid fanbase than bandwaggoners who just heard of the team due to the major exposure.

Every team with a ton of bandwagon fans has a solid fanbase.

Bench 08-21-2013 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mindfly (Post 70387851)
And I also do think a lot of the casual fans in the U.S prefers north american players since it's easier to relate to them than Russians and whatnot.

Not sure the data backs that up. Of the top 20 jersey sales, 6 are European or Russian. Datsyuk was the #2 seller overall, Zetterberg #11.

30% is a good representation given how Canadians make up just over 50% of the NHL and Americans 20%. So sales appear to reflect good players in relation to their frequency in the league. No tie to national preference.

SoupNazi 08-21-2013 12:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mindfly (Post 70394121)
It brings more bandwaggoners yeah, it's better to get a solid fanbase than bandwaggoners who just heard of the team due to the major exposure.

Teams with tons of bandwaggoners also generally have a solid fanbase. Frankly, Detroit has a solid fanbase already.

Either way these bandwaggoners you're bemoaning bring in revenue for the team and the league, which is a good thing.

Tomas W 08-21-2013 12:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SoupNazi (Post 70394537)
Teams with tons of bandwaggoners also generally have a solid fanbase. Frankly, Detroit has a solid fanbase already.

Yeah. but if people from lets say Sweden becomes fans because of Zetterberg, then they might lose interest once he hangs em up.

On the other hand maybe Tatar will become a superstar and attract people from his birthplace in the future, who knows. Should be most important to attract people from NA though, money wise?


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