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RobinDIF 09-16-2013 08:27 PM

Weiss vs Filppula
 
Hey Detroit fans. I haven't really followed your boards so closely the last months, but I couldn't find a thread like this. I was just wondering. Where do you stand on the Filppula vs Weiss thing? It's gonna be really interesting comparing stats with the two in the same division and almost identical contracts.

Do you think Detroit did the right thing going for Weiss instead of Flip? And do you think they would have signed Flip instead if he was willing to sign the same deal as Weiss? Seemed as if he wanted 8 year out of Detroit but when he hit the market was forced to face reality on how long of a deal he could get.

Guru Meditation 09-16-2013 08:30 PM

Detroit did the right thing. Fil is going to get more points, though. There's just more opportunity in TB for him. He could be playing with Stamkos if things go his way.

SoupNazi 09-16-2013 08:31 PM

I think we did better with Weiss.

RobinDIF 09-16-2013 08:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru Meditation (Post 71199131)
Detroit did the right thing. Fil is going to get more points, though. There's just more opportunity in TB for him.

Really? I think Weiss is more capable of "carrying" a secondary scoring line than Flip. I didn't watch all the Red Wings games, but it seemed like he was depending so much on Datsyuk or Zetterberg all the time.

In Tampa he is probably gonna center a 2nd line with Purcell and Malone/Drouin. I don't know. But I think Weiss has better chances with Franzén and Alfie.

And I also think Weiss has way better quality in him to set up a good second power play formation for you guys. It seemed like the second one couldn't get anything done when Datsyuk and Zetterberg was on the first PP.

snailderby 09-16-2013 08:35 PM

Discussion of Weiss v. Filppula: http://hfboards.hockeysfuture.com/sh...1448099&page=2

Guru Meditation 09-16-2013 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by RobinDIF (Post 71199449)
Really? I think Weiss is more capable of "carrying" a secondary scoring line than Flip. I didn't watch all the Red Wings games, but it seemed like he was depending so much on Datsyuk or Zetterberg all the time.

In Tampa he is probably gonna center a 2nd line with Purcell and Malone/Drouin. I don't know. But I think Weiss has better chances with Franzén and Alfie.

And I also think Weiss has way better quality in him to set up a good second power play formation for you guys. It seemed like the second one couldn't get anything done when Datsyuk and Zetterberg was on the first PP.

I think Fil will get more icetime overall simply because TB is a worse team. I think that'll help him. Plus, different system and all of that. A change of pace could help him out a ton, especially in a new situation which might put less emphasis on defensive play.

RedWingsNow* 09-16-2013 09:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru Meditation (Post 71199729)
I think Fil will get more icetime overall simply because TB is a worse team. I think that'll help him. Plus, different system and all of that. A change of pace could help him out a ton, especially in a new situation which might put less emphasis on defensive play.

All anyone in Tampa is talking about is defense so far.
Tampa's top six isn't so bad. I don't see Flip getting wild amounts of icetime.

JPE123 09-16-2013 09:53 PM

I have always been a Fils supporter but I think it was time for him to move on. Just wasn't a finisher. Guy seems to have a load of potential. Maybe a change will be the best thing for him. Weiss, I like, but admit I never followed him that much. The times I did see him play he was pretty solid.

Crymson 09-16-2013 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Guru Meditation (Post 71199131)
Detroit did the right thing. Fil is going to get more points, though. There's just more opportunity in TB for him. He could be playing with Stamkos if things go his way.

Doubtful, I think. Stamkos played exceedingly well with St. Louis and Purcell, and anyway Stamkos has always played center. I suspect Filppula will take Lecavalier's role as 2nd-line center.

The Zetterberg Era 09-16-2013 11:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Crymson (Post 71206381)
Doubtful, I think. Stamkos played exceedingly well with St. Louis and Purcell, and anyway Stamkos has always played center. I suspect Filppula will take Lecavalier's role as 2nd-line center.

Well a big key is if they let him play on the PP with him anyway in terms of production. I don't really know, in terms of our team and what we want to do, Weiss was a better choice for me. Filppula really was what he was in terms of this team and he struggled to be a consistent offensive force and while his D is better than Weiss his inability to keep a second line running for long stretches really spelled the end of his tenure here. It was time to turn the page, if he lights it up with a change of scenery, that doesn't mean it was ever going to happen here.

InjuredChoker 09-17-2013 08:03 AM

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Originally Posted by RobinDIF (Post 71198793)
Hey Detroit fans. I haven't really followed your boards so closely the last months, but I couldn't find a thread like this. I was just wondering. Where do you stand on the Filppula vs Weiss thing? It's gonna be really interesting comparing stats with the two in the same division and almost identical contracts.

Do you think Detroit did the right thing going for Weiss instead of Flip? And do you think they would have signed Flip instead if he was willing to sign the same deal as Weiss? Seemed as if he wanted 8 year out of Detroit but when he hit the market was forced to face reality on how long of a deal he could get.

This pops up about as often here in threads as Manbearpig, Shatt and EJ trade on Avs board, Stastny's decline/bounce back, and what have you :).

To me it seems clear that they weren't willing to sign Flip to same deal as Weiss and iirc they have been trying to get him for some time, indicating that they are quite high on him.

Time will tell if they made the right choice.

crashman 09-17-2013 08:23 AM

This will be interesting to see. I think Filppula is the player from 2011-2012 that put up 66 pts, not the guy we saw last year. He was slowed because of the leg injury he sustained playing for Jokerit.

Plus, the fact that he's going to be playing in the East, I think he's going to have a career year. TBL is pretty bad defensively, so they're going to need to do a lot of scoring out of necessity, so that should help Filp's numbers as well.

Weiss should see plenty of ice-time here, but I still think Filppula outscores him.

Having said that, I don't mean to imply that Filppula is the better forward for the Detroit Red Wings or that we made a mistake, that all remains to be seen.

Gerin 09-17-2013 01:51 PM

Personally I think Filppula will put up better numbers as he will be used well in Tampa but Weiss is the the type of player the Wings need more we have already enough Filppula like players (skill, playmaking, puck possession). My guess both players will have similar numbers and are both big and key pickups for both teams

Ricelund 09-17-2013 01:55 PM

Unless he's playing with Stamkos and St. Louis, I'll be very surprised if Filppula outscores Weiss.

InjuredChoker 09-17-2013 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Ricelund (Post 71225473)
Unless he's playing with Stamkos and St. Louis, I'll be very surprised if Filppula outscores Weiss.

Flip looks to be centering the second line with Killorn and Purcell. That's how it's been so far at the camp.

RedWingsNow* 09-17-2013 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by InjuredChoker (Post 71225623)
Flip looks to be centering the second line with Killorn and Purcell. That's how it's been so far at the camp.

Not a ton of firepower there.

Cursed Lemon 09-17-2013 02:33 PM

Filppula had a terrible contract year, it's just as simple as that. Had he kept pace with his 60 point season, he could've had the 5 million he was asking for.

InjuredChoker 09-17-2013 02:41 PM

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Originally Posted by RedWingsNow (Post 71226437)
Not a ton of firepower there.

Nah but it's solid second line. Purcell has good shot but rarely uses it. Killorn is sort of Hossa-lite player.

They do have some solid shooters in Panik and Connolly but they may not be ready for top6 jobs. And Killorn's game is way ahead of them so makes little sense to drop him down to third line.

May change if Malone isn't up to job with Marty and Stammer. And/or when he gets injured.

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Originally Posted by Cursed Lemon (Post 71226801)
Filppula had a terrible contract year, it's just as simple as that. Had he kept pace with his 60 point season, he could've had the 5 million he was asking for.

And would have gotten more than that from open market.

The Zetterberg Era 09-17-2013 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by RedWingsNow (Post 71226437)
Not a ton of firepower there.

Yeah should be interesting, Purcell to date is really a big PP guy and not much else. Filppula is a traditional even strength guy, maybe he can get more out of Purcell even strength. Killorn isn't bad, he outproduced Filppula last year for instance.

RedWingsNow* 09-17-2013 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by The Zetterberg Era (Post 71227287)
Yeah should be interesting, Purcell to date is really a big PP guy and not much else. Filppula is a traditional even strength guy, maybe he can get more out of Purcell even strength. Killorn isn't bad, he outproduced Filppula last year for instance.

Yeah, but who didn't outproduce Flip last year.
Where is Drouin going to play? Also, is Kucherov going to stick?
Seems to me like Yzerman's last two drafts have some potential after a pretty iffy first draft

InjuredChoker 09-17-2013 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by The Zetterberg Era (Post 71227287)
Yeah should be interesting, Purcell to date is really a big PP guy and not much else. Filppula is a traditional even strength guy, maybe he can get more out of Purcell even strength. Killorn isn't bad, he outproduced Filppula last year for instance.

Purcell's ES production past two years has been better than Flip's.

Better than anyone on Detroit, actually. 26th best in whole league for that time period with players who have large sample size.

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Originally Posted by RedWingsNow (Post 71227437)
Yeah, but who didn't outproduce Flip last year.
Where is Drouin going to play? Also, is Kucherov going to stick?
Seems to me like Yzerman's last two drafts have some potential after a pretty iffy first draft

Drouin has been tried at C lately. He may go down to Q for one more year. Tampa likely won't contend for cup, best years ahead, gives him one more year to develop, won't burn year of ELC and they have logjam at forward too. Probably on third line if he's playing.

Kucherov likely starts in Syracuse.

The last two drafts? Meaning 12 and 13? Kucherov was picked in 11. They made lots of solid picks in '11, all picks look pretty solid as of now.

Hammettf2b 09-17-2013 03:22 PM

Going with Weiss cuz i think he will help this team more than what Flip would

Henkka 09-17-2013 03:26 PM

What I think about Filppula, he won't produce more than 40 points at next season, but he will be overwhelmingly best defensive forward at Tampa's TOP9 offence.

St. Louis
Stamkos
Purcell
Malone
Drouin
Panik
Palat
Johnson

There guys don't have any clue what a word "defence" is.

Filppula set's some defensive bar for whole organization's center play (he is kind of their own "Selke-Yzerman" example, what Bowman turned Stevie to be for us) and that will have a big impact for Tampa's success in the future.

It will be a good signing on long run from Yzerman, but as an individual, maybe we won't ever see Filppula shine point-vise again. But he doesn't have to. It's not his job. There's huge scoring power at Tampa even without him.

RedWinger10 09-17-2013 08:17 PM

Weiss should be a definite upgrade. His 2 way play alone puts him ahead.

Blad Meaning Gud 09-17-2013 08:59 PM

The thing with Weiss, hes fairly comsistent.. but sometimes he gets to another level. If he could ever reach that next level more often he could be a perennial all star. You'll see it from time to time. Hopefully more often now that he's in Detroit. It would usually come in the bigger games.


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