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Bravid Nonahan 09-20-2013 06:40 PM

Morgan Rielly Looks Ready
 
Honestly, is his game lacking in any major area? In my opinion he is actually playing conservatively and has a lot more to offer offensively. I think he is better than Liles. If the coaches think he has outplayed Liles at the end of the camp, do you think they will keep Rielly up?

shakes 09-20-2013 06:43 PM

He is ready but I'm sure you will get people saying he should go to junior for some inexplicable reason. If he can make a NHL team and a playoff one at that, there is nothing he would learn in junior.

Man Bear Pig 09-20-2013 06:46 PM

People like me, who believe he should be sent back down, feel this way because they don't want to see our best prospect stuck on the third pairing and not receiving any ice time when he could be playing 25+ minutes a night in junior.

BIitz 09-20-2013 06:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Man Bear Pig (Post 71348097)
People like me, who believe he should be sent back down, feel this way because they don't want to see our best prospect stuck on the third pairing and not receiving any ice time when he could be playing 25+ minutes a night in junior.

So the question to that is, Can he learn more at 25 minutes a game in the dub compared to 14-16 in the NHL?

Funk21 09-20-2013 06:49 PM

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Originally Posted by BIitz (Post 71348231)
So the question to that is, Can he learn more at 25 minutes a game in the dub compared to 14-16 in the NHL?

Yes!

BIitz 09-20-2013 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Funk21 (Post 71348313)
Yes!

Personally I think the answer is no. Any time you let a prospect take a "leap of faith" you hope they have the character to learn from their mistakes, which they will inevitably make.

I think the biggest thing Rielly needs to learn right now is tendencies. When can I rush the puck? When can I jump into the rush? He can't learn that at the WHL level.

Cor 09-20-2013 07:00 PM

Phaneuf - Gunner
Rielly - Ranger
Gardiner - MacWilliam
Liles, Fraser

That's the D I go with TODAY. MacWilliam has been much much better then both Holzer and Fraser.

zeke 09-20-2013 07:05 PM

Junior will only teach him bad habits.

He clearly should be in the NHL, and we'd only be delaying his development, and possibly setting it back, by sending him down.

thatshype 09-20-2013 07:05 PM

Well, among the players that realistically COULD make it, he's still behind Raymond for likelihood to make the team. Among the defencemen alone, he's comfortably ahead of the other 'hopefuls', but not ahead of any of the incumbent NHL d-men. Liles and Gunnarson have probably put up the most lacklustre performances of the NHL D so far, but it's preseason and both are still likely to make the team above Rielly.

If the spot is available, it'll only be because Franson isn't signed. I see us having 5 d-spots locked up already, with the likes of Liles, Rielly, and Brennan realistically competing for the 6th spot. Regardless of who among those three gets the spot initially, Franson will steal it back as soon as he's signed.

BIitz 09-20-2013 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Cor99 (Post 71348791)
Phaneuf - Gunner
Rielly - Ranger
Gardiner - MacWilliam
Liles, Fraser

That's the D I go with TODAY. MacWilliam has been much much better then both Holzer and Fraser.

At this point I'd feel more comfortable with Percy or Fraser than Macwilliam.

TootooTrain 09-20-2013 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Cor99 (Post 71348791)
Phaneuf - Gunner
Rielly - Ranger
Gardiner - MacWilliam
Liles, Fraser

That's the D I go with TODAY. MacWilliam has been much much better then both Holzer and Fraser.

In a few pre-season games. Make sure you realize what the sample of good play represents. I'd take Fraser over him all day long.

Cor 09-20-2013 07:09 PM

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Originally Posted by BIitz (Post 71349053)
At this point I'd feel more comfortable with Percy or Fraser than Macwilliam.

Percy looked great, so I'd be fine with him in the 6 spot too, however, Fraser hasn't looked good IMO.

We still have another 2 or 3 games before the roster gets set for the final 2 or 3 games anyway.

thatshype 09-20-2013 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by zeke (Post 71349035)
Junior will only teach him bad habits.

That COULD be true, but also speaks poorly of the coaches down in the WHL. I don't know anything about Rielly's coaches down in junior (or of the teams he's likely to be traded to), but I assume they are at least capable.

Cor 09-20-2013 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Everlong (Post 71349201)
In a few pre-season games. Make sure you realize what the sample of good play represents. I'd take Fraser over him all day long.

Pre-Season games are where you make the team. Raymond has beat out Colborne, and right now, MacWilliam is beating out Fraser.

Like I said in the post above, we still have about 2 or 3 games until the roster is "finalized", so anything can happen still. However, I wouldn't be shocked, nor upset, if MacWilliam is on the opening day roster. Kid is a rock. Don't count him out "because it's just pre-season"

Inconceivable 09-20-2013 07:12 PM

I was surprised with how well he played physically last night. I'd definately keep him up to start the year.

Gunnar-Phaneuf
Gardiner-Ranger
Rielly-Fraser

Woohoo 6 left handed d-men for Carlyle!

kesleaf 09-20-2013 07:13 PM

Definitely needs to be playing with the Leafs this season, there's no question about it.

Rielly-Gardiner on the PP will be killer.

Cor 09-20-2013 07:14 PM

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Originally Posted by kesleaf (Post 71349429)
Definitely needs to be playing with the Leafs this season, there's no question about it.

Rielly-Gardiner on the PP will be killer.

Gardiner-Dion
Rielly-Ranger

Two deadly combo's

TootooTrain 09-20-2013 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Cor99 (Post 71349393)
Pre-Season games are where you make the team. Raymond has beat out Colborne, and right now, MacWilliam is beating out Fraser.

Like I said in the post above, we still have about 2 or 3 games until the roster is "finalized", so anything can happen still. However, I wouldn't be shocked, nor upset, if MacWilliam is on the opening day roster. Kid is a rock. Don't count him out "because it's just pre-season"

I was impressed with him like any other person who watched. You have to remember he's coming straight out of college. Hasn't played more than 54 games in a season. He played 2 games in pre-season while Fraser has played one and you're using that as the basis for your reasoning? It just doesn't add up in my eyes. Fraser has experience and a quality resume as an nhl regular.

Mr Scarface* 09-20-2013 07:16 PM

What depth. Not every team has this. So many young guns blazing out there with their mouths wide open. Very interesting to see who'm will Carlyle choose as his soldiers in this war.

It will be easy and loose for them new players to play the game as they have guardians such as Colton Orr, Frazer McLaren, Clarkson, Bolland and others hitting heads down.

samwitch 09-20-2013 07:18 PM

He's so smooth out there. Really fun to watch. Give him the 9 games for sure and go from there especially if Franson remains unsigned.

Cor 09-20-2013 07:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Everlong (Post 71349541)
I was impressed with him like any other person who watched. You have to remember he's coming straight out of college. Hasn't played more than 54 games in a season. He played 2 games in pre-season while Fraser has played one and you're using that as the basis for your reasoning? It just doesn't add up in my eyes. Fraser has experience and a quality resume as an nhl regular.

Last season was Fraser's first real "FULL" NHL season. He also can no longer be the hitter/fighter he usually is.

All I said, is that MacWilliam has been better then Fraser and Holzer, and as of today, I would slot him in on the sixth slot.

Not too mention, from tweets I have seen, MacWilliam has looked great in the actual camp.

TootooTrain 09-20-2013 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Cor99 (Post 71349835)
Last season was Fraser's first real "FULL" NHL season. He also can no longer be the hitter/fighter he usually is.

His injury (which from reports is completely healed) doesn't effect him being physical at all. He's wearing a vizor now which helps. Straight from his mouth he said he shouldn't have a problem scrapping.

Anyways, this is a Rielly thread. I'd be glad to continue this elsewhere.

Grant 09-20-2013 07:26 PM

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Originally Posted by kesleaf (Post 71349429)
Definitely needs to be playing with the Leafs this season, there's no question about it.

Rielly-Gardiner on the PP will be killer.

Had that for a bit in one of the preseason games and it didn't work out that great. Bunch of play making, but no good hard shots from the blue line. Get in the zone with ease though :P

Leafidelity 09-20-2013 07:26 PM

Rielly today is better than Schenn was the year he made the Leafs.

Cor 09-20-2013 07:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Everlong (Post 71349975)
His injury doesn't effect him being physical at all. He's wearing a vizor now which helps. Straight from his mouth he said he shouldn't have a problem scrapping.

Anyways, this is a Rielly thread. I'd be glad to continue this elsewhere.

One more shot to his forehead and his career is over. He's said that. He can't risk scrapping.

Going through something like that will always make you more hesitant and more careful.


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