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Frk It 09-23-2013 06:36 PM

Roster Crunch: Helm, Eaves, Tootoo on LTIR/IR
 
Looks like Helm is going to star the year on LTIR. Eaves and Tootoo will be put on the IR.

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Center Darren Helm appears likely to be on long-term IR. That would give the club $2.125 million in cap relief.
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Right wing Patrick Eaves (sprained MCL, ankle) is expected to miss two-to-four weeks and will start the season on IR.
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Right wing Jordin Tootoo is out at least another week with a bruised shoulder, and general manager Ken Holland said he's not likely to be ready for the start of the season.
http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index...._red_wing.html

Vladdy84 09-23-2013 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Frk It (Post 71472371)
Looks like Helm is going to star the year on LTIR. Eaves and Tootoo will be put on the IR.






http://www.mlive.com/redwings/index...._red_wing.html

Not unexpected. Toots is taking one for the team. So he can probably stay on the team. For a bit. There will be a farce of a competition to see who "earns" PT.

Chance on Chance 09-23-2013 06:42 PM

Could be a risky game we play if Helm ever becomes healthy

Vladdy84 09-23-2013 06:45 PM

How long does he have to stay on LTIR?

Henkka 09-23-2013 06:49 PM

Funny how least important guys will injure themselves out. Eaves, Tootoo, Gustavsson.

Only Alfie and Helm is needed.

Fugu 09-23-2013 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Vladdy84 (Post 71472853)
How long does he have to stay on LTIR?


Until he recovers and the team has the cap space to call him up.

Fugu 09-23-2013 06:56 PM

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Helm has resumed skating after suffering a groin pull on Sept. 6 but hasn't been cleared for contact due to the back injury that has plagued him for nearly nine months.
I guess this got lost in the earlier reports, no medical clearance yet.

Chance on Chance 09-23-2013 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Fugu (Post 71473451)
Until he recovers and the team has the cap space to call him up.

So say mid November he's good to go even if he's healthy he can stay on ltir?

bababooeyII 09-23-2013 07:05 PM

Yet Samuelsson thus far has stayed healthy:shakehead

Fugu 09-23-2013 07:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Chance on Chance (Post 71473883)
So say mid November he's good to go even if he's healthy he can stay on ltir?

They can't activate him until they clear roster space and not exceed the roster limit; but they also cannot leave him on LTIR once he's cleared-- meaning they MUST clear cap and roster space. I think Leino was moved around the time Lilja was coming off LTIR for the same reasons. iirc

Kronwalled55 09-23-2013 07:20 PM

We have a lot of frail bodies on this team. I don't think we'll have any problems seeing Nyquist, Sheahan/Ferraro, and others this year.

WingedWheel1987 09-23-2013 08:29 PM

I am sorry, but Helm is done. I only wish his injury happened before he signed that new four year deal. He was a difference maker on offense that didn't make a difference. Great speed which caused opposing teams to cough up the puck, but he could never cash in on those turnovers since he has the hands of Michael J. Fox.

Vladdy84 09-23-2013 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by WingedWheel1987 (Post 71479799)
I am sorry, but Helm is done. I only wish his injury happened before he signed that new four year deal. He was a difference maker on offense that didn't make a difference. Great speed which caused opposing teams to cough up the puck, but he could never cash in on those turnovers since he has the hands of Michael J. Fox.

Should have traded Helm, Smith + prospect and picks for Nash :laugh:

JmanWingsFan 09-23-2013 09:28 PM

Seriously, fire the trainers.

Flowah 09-23-2013 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by JmanWingsFan (Post 71484449)
Seriously, fire the trainers.

Are you kidding?

This is the trainers doing Holland a favor with the roster debacle.

crashman 09-24-2013 04:53 AM

Really should have seen this coming.

Ken Holland, the king of cap circumvention. :sarcasm:

I'm mostly kidding, but it seems a little fishy. I was really hoping he'd be forced to deal with this mess he created.

Might as well sign another player at this point! I really wish there was a way for the Wings to get Cody Franson from the Leaf.

Henkka 09-24-2013 05:18 AM

So if Helm, Eaves and Tootoo are going to LTIR at season start, we don't have to send Nyquist down.

Then, if Nyquist plays 2 NHL games, he loses his waiver eligibility and is never going back to Griffins. :)

Chance on Chance 09-24-2013 05:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Henkka (Post 71495917)
So if Helm, Eaves and Tootoo are going to LTIR at season start, we don't have to send Nyquist down.

Then, if Nyquist plays 2 NHL games, he loses his waiver eligibility and is never going back to Griffins. :)

Then we just have the 4 spots 6 winger problem. I'm starting to think Holland and company know Helm won't be back this year

Henkka 09-24-2013 05:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Chance on Chance (Post 71496009)
Then we just have the 4 spots 6 winger problem.

I wouldn't call it as a problem. Or maybe a positive one, as long as the right guys are playing.

joe89 09-24-2013 05:51 AM

http://cdn.meme.li/i/oqr5z.jpg

crashman 09-24-2013 06:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Henkka (Post 71495917)
So if Helm, Eaves and Tootoo are going to LTIR at season start, we don't have to send Nyquist down.

Then, if Nyquist plays 2 NHL games, he loses his waiver eligibility and is never going back to Griffins. :)

Don't get too excited just yet. He'll probably play 1 game, then Tootoo will be ready and it's back to GR with Gus. Holland can't bury these guys on LTIR forever, and he doesn't seem to have a lot of options to get the bottom-feeders off the roster.

Chance on Chance 09-24-2013 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Henkka (Post 71496065)
I wouldn't call it as a problem. Or maybe a positive one, as long as the right guys are playing.

Depends who the right guys are, also it leaves us with wasted money as healthy scratches

Henkka 09-24-2013 06:52 AM

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Originally Posted by crashman (Post 71496317)
Don't get too excited just yet. He'll probably play 1 game, then Tootoo will be ready and it's back to GR with Gus. Holland can't bury these guys on LTIR forever, and he doesn't seem to have a lot of options to get the bottom-feeders off the roster.

When they (Eaves & Tootoo) become healthy, they will go through waivers, we will take the cap penalty and be still under the cap.

IF Helm becomes healthy, and Nyquist has locked himself up losing his waiver-status, Emmerton will be waived.

If we lose Emmerton on waivers to another team and Helm gets injured again, we promote Glendening or Sheahan. There's lots of options to handle this situation without any REAL problems.

crashman 09-24-2013 07:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Henkka (Post 71496515)
When they (Eaves & Tootoo) become healthy, they will go through waivers, we will take the cap penalty and be still under the cap.

IF Helm becomes healthy, and Nyquist has locked himself up losing his waiver-status, Emmerton will be waived.

If we lose Emmerton on waivers to another team and Helm gets injured again, we promote Glendening or Sheahan. There's lots of options to handle this situation without any REAL problems.

I agree, but I really don't think Holland looks at just waiving guys and taking a cap penalty as such a viable option as you and I.

He's so concerned with the Red Wings reputation that he will only waive veterans like Eaves/Tootoo as an absolute last resort.

If/when Helm returns is when Holland is really going to have to make that tough decision (assuming there aren't any other guys on LTIR at the time).

Soft Rock Renegade 09-24-2013 08:45 AM

does nyquist only have to be on the roster for two games or does he actually have to play?


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