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Beerz 09-25-2013 09:02 PM

TSN Top 50 Players
 
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=432765

Nash at 29 and Vanek at 49!? .. Man oh man....PK Subban at 27!?


1. Sidney Crosby
2. Evgeni Malkin
3. Jonathan Toews
4. Steven Stamkos
5. Pavel Datsyuk
6. Zdeno Chara
7. Alex Ovechkin
8. Shea Weber
9. Patrick Kane
10. Claude Giroux
11. Erik Karlsson
12. Henrik Zetterberg
13. John Tavares
14. Henrik Lundqvist
15. Ryan Getzlaf
16. Patrice Bergeron
17. Ryan Suter
18. Anze Kopitar
19. Drew Doughty
20. Duncan Keith
21. Henrik Sedin
22. Jonathan Quick
23. Zach Parise
24. Corey Perry
25. Daniel Sedin
26. Martin St. Louis
27. P.K. Subban
28. Eric Staal
29. Rick Nash
30. Alex Pietrangelo
31. Logan Couture
32. Marian Hossa
33. Kris Letang
34. James Neal
35. Joe Thornton
36. Matt Duchene
37. Jamie Benn
38. Jason Spezza
39. Taylor Hall
40. Nicklas Backstrom
41. Pekka Rinne
42. Milan Lucic
43. Phil Kessel
44. Oliver Ekman-Larsson
45. Sergei Bobrovsky
46. David Krejci
47. Patrick Sharp
48. Dustin Brown
49. Thomas Vanek
50. Mikko Koivu

Djp 09-25-2013 09:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Beerz (Post 71569371)
http://www.tsn.ca/nhl/story/?id=432765

Nash at 29 and Vanek at 49!? .. Man oh man....PK Subban at 27!?



29. Rick Nash
49. Thomas Vanek

Serious bias......their career stats are just about identical

struckbyaparkedcar 09-25-2013 09:39 PM

I was fine with Kopitar at 18 until I saw him behind Bergeron. All Anze does is outscore him by 20 points while playing comparable defense.

Connor McDavid 09-25-2013 09:53 PM

why not just a list of 50 canadians

haseoke39 09-25-2013 10:05 PM

What's that I hear over the mountains.....is it a.......could it be a.......oh my is that a......whinewhinewhinewhinewhinewhine??????

Get some top picks, Sabres. Is it still blasphemy to suggest that the best players go in the top picks?

jBuds 09-25-2013 10:28 PM

No Rask? Wow

joshjull 09-25-2013 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haseoke39 (Post 71571443)
What's that I hear over the mountains.....is it a.......could it be a.......oh my is that a......whinewhinewhinewhinewhinewhine??????

Get some top picks, Sabres. Is it still blasphemy to suggest that the best players go in the top picks?



They need to draft top level players. Its a little easier to get those players drafting at the top but its not a neccesity. You're obsession with where guys are drafted is why you repeatedly dismiss our excellent prospect pool. This list somewhat makes the point I was trying to make in our back and forth a while back. This is one person or panel's opinion on the top 50 players. Other than the few at the top its an easily argued list that can shift a lot depending on what the list maker or makers value in a player. So to use a ranking like this to make an argument about the type of player we need is somewhat meaningless.

Btw Vanek was a top pick and the OP is disagreeing with his ranking. No idea what that has to do with your "team building" strategy.

ZZamboni 09-25-2013 10:33 PM

Wow not enough Leaf players. The Toronto media better start writing pages and pages arguing for more Leaf players to be included. And demand a re-write.

SundherDome 09-25-2013 11:30 PM

Vanek is to low and Ekman-Larsson is also very very low.

cybresabre 09-25-2013 11:44 PM

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Originally Posted by ZZamboni (Post 71572401)
Wow not enough Leaf players. The Toronto media better start writing pages and pages arguing for more Leaf players to be included. And demand a re-write.

"43? Are you sure you don't want to rethink that?"

http://i.imgur.com/7fIYIWF.png

haseoke39 09-26-2013 08:19 AM

I think Vanek's spot is actually fine. If we traded him for most of the guys on that list, I'd be pretty happy.

Connor McDavid 09-26-2013 08:22 AM

The grass is always greener

haseoke39 09-26-2013 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joshjull (Post 71572357)
They need to draft top level players. Its a little easier to get those players drafting at the top but its not a neccesity. You're obsession with where guys are drafted is why you repeatedly dismiss our excellent prospect pool. This list somewhat makes the point I was trying to make in our back and forth a while back. This is one person or panel's opinion on the top 50 players. Other than the few at the top its an easily argued list that can shift a lot depending on what the list maker or makers value in a player. So to use a ranking like this to make an argument about the type of player we need is somewhat meaningless.

The thing is, I don't need this list to make that argument. It's just easier than us sitting down and debating who the elite players in the league are ourselves for a week and a half in order to arrive at the same point.

It's an odds game. You're never going to convince me of anything by arguing high picks aren't "necessary." That's obvious. It's about odds. And yeah, until our picks all pan out, I'll assume, e.g., that Nikita Zadarov has about as much chance of becoming Chris Pronger as Ryan Pulock has of becoming Steve Yzerman.

Paxon 09-26-2013 05:31 PM

Always got a laugh at Nash and Vanek comparisons, as we'd debated that a lot on here back around the time Nash was traded. Nash is not better than Vanek; he's certainly not 20 spots on this list better. Nash: was selected 1st overall, is Canadien, had a great production in a performance for Team Canada in the Olympics. That's why he's 20 spots higher.

Paxon 09-26-2013 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by haseoke39 (Post 71579815)
The thing is, I don't need this list to make that argument. It's just easier than us sitting down and debating who the elite players in the league are ourselves for a week and a half in order to arrive at the same point.

It's an odds game. You're never going to convince me of anything by arguing high picks aren't "necessary." That's obvious. It's about odds. And yeah, until our picks all pan out, I'll assume, e.g., that Nikita Zadarov has about as much chance of becoming Chris Pronger as Ryan Pulock has of becoming Steve Yzerman.

If that's how you think, then you're just being absurd about the subject.

Jame 09-26-2013 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Paxon (Post 71598829)
If that's how you think, then you're just being absurd about the subject.

So wait... Like 30ish of the guys on the top 50 list are NOT top picks, and that's supporting evidence of needing top picks?

haseoke39 09-26-2013 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Paxon (Post 71598829)
If that's how you think, then you're just being absurd about the subject.

I honestly don't see what's absurd about that.

Paxon 09-26-2013 07:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haseoke39 (Post 71604159)
I honestly don't see what's absurd about that.

Zadorov and Pronger make sense because they are both huge defensemen who can skate, shoot, and hit. Ryan Pulock and Steve Yzerman don't even play the same position. It's absurd to think Ryan Pulock is as likely to become Steve Yzerman as Zadorov is to become Pronger.

haseoke39 09-26-2013 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Paxon (Post 71604399)
Zadorov and Pronger make sense because they are both huge defensemen who can skate, shoot, and hit. Ryan Pulock and Steve Yzerman don't even play the same position. It's absurd to think Ryan Pulock is as likely to become Steve Yzerman as Zadorov is to become Pronger.

Whoops :laugh: I don't even know where my brain was on that.

Let's retract that and replace it with a more apt comparison. Perhaps Al MacInnis.

Paxon 09-26-2013 07:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by haseoke39 (Post 71604999)
Whoops :laugh: I don't even know where my brain was on that.

Let's retract that and replace it with a more apt comparison. Perhaps Al MacInnis.

I thought you were doing it on purpose as a way of saying "no chance". MacInnis is a pretty fair comparison.

haseoke39 09-26-2013 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob Paxon (Post 71605299)
I thought you were doing it on purpose as a way of saying "no chance". MacInnis is a pretty fair comparison.

No, I wasn't being snarky, just a moron :laugh:


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