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DarkHorse 09-29-2013 09:39 PM

Panthers...a repeat of Isles' 2001-2002 Season?
 
As the Panthers edge ever closer to the Cap Ceiling, I wonder if they can have the kind of season the Islanders had in 2001-02, where, if not for injuries to Peca and Jonsson, the Isles could have made a nice playoff run.

Though the Panthers don't have a Yashin or Peca on the roster, (maybe a young Yashin in Barkov), the overall line-up is of a slightly better quality, and the additions of Boyes, Gilbert and Whitney, added to some quality young players like Huberdeau, Bjustad, Gudbranson and Matthias, makes them a possible surprise contender. Adding Thomas at the last minute is very reminiscent of the Isles grabbing Osgood off waivers.

The big concern is that they have 11 pending UFAs on the roster, so they may need to blow up the roster next year, killing any progress. Of course, if the plan fails this year, they could have the most spectacular sell-off ever at the deadline.

Jester9881 09-29-2013 09:59 PM

That Islander team was very strong up the middle and on the back end.

Yashin (runner up for the Hart the previous season)
Peca
Scatchard (20-27 goal scorer on the 3rd line)
Lapointe

On the back end they had Jonsson, Hamrlik, Aucoin and Martinek all in their prime.

WangMustGo 09-29-2013 10:06 PM

No not even remotely close. Boyes and Whitney suck, there is a reason they weren't signed until this week. That Isles team was very deep up the middle and a very solid top 4.

startainfection 09-29-2013 10:09 PM

i see no steve webb

nWo 09-29-2013 10:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jester9881 (Post 71732773)
That Islander team was very strong up the middle and on the back end.

Yashin (runner up for the Hart the previous season)
Peca
Scatchard (20-27 goal scorer on the 3rd line)
Lapointe

On the back end they had Jonsson, Hamrlik, Aucoin and Martinek all in their prime.

Nope, that was Mario Lemieux.

MillarWithASave 09-29-2013 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WangMustGo (Post 71733015)
No not even remotely close. Boyes and Whitney suck, there is a reason they weren't signed until this week. That Isles team was very deep up the middle and a very solid top 4.

What makes you think that :

Campbell - Gudbranson
Kulikov - Gilbert

isn't a solid top-4? I mean, I know we might look like a bunch of unproven rookies and a crop of old worn out veterans but I don't think we have a terrible team to be quite honest.

RMimagery 09-29-2013 10:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkHorse (Post 71731855)
As the Panthers edge ever closer to the Cap Ceiling, I wonder if they can have the kind of season the Islanders had in 2001-02, where, if not for injuries to Peca and Jonsson, the Isles could have made a nice playoff run.

Though the Panthers don't have a Yashin or Peca on the roster, (maybe a young Yashin in Barkov), the overall line-up is of a slightly better quality, and the additions of Boyes, Gilbert and Whitney, added to some quality young players like Huberdeau, Bjustad, Gudbranson and Matthias, makes them a possible surprise contender. Adding Thomas at the last minute is very reminiscent of the Isles grabbing Osgood off waivers.

The big concern is that they have 11 pending UFAs on the roster, so they may need to blow up the roster next year, killing any progress. Of course, if the plan fails this year, they could have the most spectacular sell-off ever at the deadline.

The fact that you mention Boyes as a key addition signals alarms.

That Islander team started the season 11-1-1 and had a lot of depth.

Brought in were Yashin, Peca and Osgood in their prime. Those new Panthers just don't compare.

And the top 3 D were stellar. Jonsson, AuCoin and Hamrlik, also in their prime, were solid all around. That was a fun team to watch.

Glad you're excited though just not the best comparison, cool that you remember that team. Only now have the Isles begun to get back to that level. Many things weren't handled right back then so it didn't last, while this team is built for the next decade.

WangMustGo 09-29-2013 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MillarWithASave (Post 71733897)
What makes you think that :

Campbell - Gudbranson
Kulikov - Gilbert

isn't a solid top-4? I mean, I know we might look like a bunch of unproven rookies and a crop of old worn out veterans but I don't think we have a terrible team to be quite honest.

I never said it was terrible, but it doesn't compare to the Islanders defense of 2001-2002. I don't think they are a playoff team yet, in a couple years when the kids have some NHL experience they will be making deep runs regularly.

Mr Forever 09-30-2013 12:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MillarWithASave (Post 71733897)
What makes you think that :

Campbell - Gudbranson
Kulikov - Gilbert

isn't a solid top-4? I mean, I know we might look like a bunch of unproven rookies and a crop of old worn out veterans but I don't think we have a terrible team to be quite honest.

That looks pretty mediocre to me.

ucanthanzalthetruth 09-30-2013 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DarkHorse (Post 71731855)
The big concern is that they have 11 pending UFAs on the roster, so they may need to blow up the roster next year, killing any progress. Of course, if the plan fails this year, they could have the most spectacular sell-off ever at the deadline.

Tallon signed so many FA's in an attempt to contend to fill in the gaps while the prospects are developing. As for playoffs, I'm not sure. This team is better all-around than the team in 2012, but they are also in a way harder division. I think they only have an outside shot at the playoffs, but I don't get how so many people have them as the 29th or 30th team overall, they are much better than that. Oh, and all the Islanders fans complaining about Boyes, wait till you see PMB

ucanthanzalthetruth 09-30-2013 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Forever (Post 71737291)
That looks pretty mediocre to me.

Gudbranson seems to have taken a real step forward this year, and if you think the other 3 listed are mediocre, you don't watch enough hockey.

Phion Keneuf 09-30-2013 01:22 AM

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Originally Posted by ucanthanzalthetruth (Post 71737417)
Gudbranson seems to have taken a real step forward this year, and if you think the other 3 listed are mediocre, you don't watch enough hockey.

Gilbert is worse than mediocre. Kulikov is currently a decent #3, Campbell a decent #1.

SchennSational1022* 09-30-2013 01:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ucanthanzalthetruth (Post 71737417)
Gudbranson seems to have taken a real step forward this year, and if you think the other 3 listed are mediocre, you don't watch enough hockey.

Ill believe Gudbranson has taken a step when I see it. He really has just unimpressed me since he was drafted. And saying Gilbert is more than mediocre is just wrong.

Syckle78 09-30-2013 01:43 AM

I don't see where they fit into playoff picture. I think Columbus is much more likely to have a similar season than this Florida squad. Pretty likely Panthers finish dead last in the new Atlantic.

boredmale 09-30-2013 01:44 AM

The 2001-2002 Islanders had a payroll that was middle of the pack which gave them an advantage over half the teams in the NHL. I believe Florida has one of the lowest payroll in the NHL this season(when you factor out bonuses)

ucanthanzalthetruth 09-30-2013 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Heisenbergg (Post 71738355)
Ill believe Gudbranson has taken a step when I see it. He really has just unimpressed me since he was drafted. And saying Gilbert is more than mediocre is just wrong.

Yeah, Guds has been disappointing so far, but he looks much improved. D men usually take 4-5 years to develop, he's still pretty raw. Granted it's just preseason, but I think you'll be pleasantly surprised this year. Also, your user handle saddens me :cry:

NEWFowler 09-30-2013 06:45 AM

Florida is going in the right direction, for sure. Will they put it together this year? Unlikely, but you never know. I hope they do.

Riseonfire 09-30-2013 07:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by boredmale (Post 71738431)
The 2001-2002 Islanders had a payroll that was middle of the pack which gave them an advantage over half the teams in the NHL. I believe Florida has one of the lowest payroll in the NHL this season(when you factor out bonuses)

Florida has a salary of 54 million.
NYI has a salary of 44.4 million (The lowest in the league).

Thats NOT including the bonuses.

coldsteelonice84 09-30-2013 07:34 AM

Adding a two time Vezina winner obviously makes that team a threat.

LEAFANFORLIFE23 09-30-2013 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coldsteelonice84 (Post 71740875)
Adding a two time Vezina winner obviously makes that team a threat.

Thomas can be as good as he wants the Panthers need to score

Pi 09-30-2013 07:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coldsteelonice84 (Post 71740875)
Adding a two time Vezina winner obviously makes that team a threat.

Thomas is great but he took a year off and Florida doesn't have Chara or Bergeron.

I am sure that Florida will not be in the bottom 5, but I'd say they are a good bet to finish bottom 10 no matter what Thomas can do.

Raspewtin 09-30-2013 08:36 AM

nope. That Isles team was solid. Florida just signed a bunch of ****** veterans that couldn't find work anywhere else.

coldsteelonice84 09-30-2013 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raspewtin (Post 71741851)
nope. That Isles team was solid. Florida just signed a bunch of ****** veterans that couldn't find work anywhere else.

Look at the bigger picture. They are creating competition for the young guys. They are not handing over jobs to rookies. They need to show they can take them from the vets. For that reason, these were good signings.

ShootIt 09-30-2013 08:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by coldsteelonice84 (Post 71741937)
Look at the bigger picture. They are creating competition for the young guys. They are not handing over jobs to rookies. They need to show they can take them from the vets. For that reason, these were good signings.

Exactly.

I rather see these signings of "mediocre" players than see guys like Trocheck, Petrovic, Bjugstad etc get forced out onto the NHL squad due to payroll, and potentially hurt their development. IT gives Tallon the option of giving the young guys competition to earn spots.

For the young guys that don't make it, they can go from the NCAA/CHL to the AHL, and get a feeling for playing against men, and a nice jump in the speed of the game.

The Panthers would be lucky to see a repeat of the 2011-2012 season, points wise.

Trafalgar Law 09-30-2013 08:57 AM

As an Oilers fan, the fact that you just signed Ryan Whitney and Tom Gilbert is a sign that your team is going the wrong direction.


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