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shureshot66 09-30-2013 10:27 PM

Penguins 2013-14 cap/roster building discussion (Contract chart in Post #1)
 
All figures are cap numbers, not salaries, and are taken directly from www.capgeek.com.

2013-2014 salary ceiling: .................64,300,000
Projected cap spending: ...................69,522,543
Projected LTIR relief: .........................5,222,543
Projected cap space: ...........................495,000



PITTSBURGH PENGUINS
Forward.................
Pos.
Age
2013-14
2014-15
2015-16
Sidney Crosby
C
26
8,700,000
8,700,000
8,700,000
Evgeni Malkin
C
27
8,700,000
9,500,000
9,500,000
James Neal
RW
26
5,000,000
5,000,000
5,000,000
Chris Kunitz
LW
34
3,725,000
3,850,000
3,850,000
Lee Stempniak
RW
31
2,500,000
UFA
 
Jussi Jokinen
LW
30
2,100,000
UFA
 
Brandon Sutter
C
24
2,066,667
RFA
 
Marcel Goc
C
30
1,700,000
UFA
 
Taylor Pyatt
LW
32
1,550,000
UFA
 
Tanner Glass
LW
29
1,100,000
UFA
 
Jayson Megna
RW
23
925,000
RFA
 
Beau Bennett
LW
21
900,000
900,000
RFA
Craig Adams
RW
36
700,000
700,000
UFA
Joe Vitale
C
28
550,000
UFA
 
Brian Gibbons
C
25
550,000
RFA
 
Andrew Ebbett
C
30
550,000
UFA
 
Defense.................
Pos.
Age
2013-14
2014-15
.2015-16
Paul Martin
D
32
5,000,000
5,000,000
UFA
Brooks Orpik
D
33
3,750,000
UFA
 
Rob Scuderi
D
34
3,375,000
3,375,000
3,375,000
Matt Niskanen
D
26
2,300,000
UFA
 
Olli Maatta
D
19
894,167
894,167
894,167
Simon Despres
D
22
840,000
RFA
 
Robert Bortuzzo
D
24
600,000
600,000
RFA
Deryk Engelland
D
31
566,667
UFA
 
Goalie....................
Pos.
Age
2013-14
2014-15
.2015-16
Marc-Andre Fleury
G
28
5,000,000
5,000,000
UFA
Jeff Zatkoff
G
26
537,500
600,000
600,000
Injured reserve.......
Pos.
Age
2013-14
2014-15
2015-16
Pascal Dupuis
RW
34
3,750,000
3,750,000
3,750,000
Kris Letang
D
26
3,500,000
7,250,000
7,250,000
Tomas Vokoun
G
37
2,000,000
UFA
 
Chris Conner
RW
29
550,000
UFA
 



WILKES-BARRE/SCRANTON PENGUINS
Forward...............
Pos.
Age
2013-14
2014-15
2015-16
Bryan Rust
RW
22
ATO
652,500
652,500
Spencer Machacek
RW
25
632,500
RFA
 
Adam Payerl
RW
22
626,667
626,667
RFA
Anton Zlobin
LW
20
608,333
608,333
608,333
Dominik Uher
C
20
601,667
601,667
RFA
Tom Kuhnhackl
LW
21
598,333
598,333
RFA
Nick Drazenovic
C
26
550,000
UFA
 
Bobby Farnham
LW
24
550,000
RFA
 
Chuck Kobasew
RW
31
550,000
UFA
 
Pierre-Luc Letourneau-Leblond
RW
28
550,000
550,000
UFA
Zach Sill
C
25
550,000
RFA
 
Harry Zolnierczyk
LW
26
550,000
RFA
 
Defense.............................
Pos.
Age
2013-14
2014-15
2015-16
Brian Dumoulin
D
22
831,667
831,667
RFA
Harrison Ruopp
D
20
650,833
650,833
650,833
Philip Samuelsson
D
22
627,500
RFA
 
Nick D'Agostino
D
23
625,000
625,000
RFA
Scott Harrington
D
20
589,167
589,167
589,167
Reid McNeill
D
21
575,000
575,000
RFA
Brendan Mikkelson
D
26
550,000
UFA
 
Goalie................................
Pos.
Age
2013-14
2014-15
2015-16
Eric Hartzell
G
24
550,000
550,000
RFA



SIGNED PROSPECTS
Player
Pos.
Age
Current Team
Contract
Derrick Pouliot
D
19
Portland (WHL)
3 years/894,167 per
Tristan Jarry
G
18
Edmonton (WHL)
3 years/650,833 per
Matt Murray
G
19
Sault Ste. Marie (OHL)
3 years/650,833 per
Matia Marcantuoni
C
19
Kitchener (OHL)
3 years/633,333 per
Jean-Sebastien Dea
C
19
Rouyn-Noranda (QMJHL)
3 years/598,333 per
Scott Wilson
LW
21
UMass-Lowell (HEA)
2 years/TBA



UNSIGNED PROSPECTS
Player
Pos.
Age
Current Team (League)
Josh Archibald
F
20
Nebraska-Omaha (WCHA)
Dane Birks
D
18
Merritt (BCHL)
Teddy Blueger
F
19
Minnesota State (WCHA)
Blaine Byron
F
18
Maine (HEA)
Jake Guentzel
F
18
Nebraska-Omaha (WCHA)
Troy Josephs
F
19
St. Michael's (OJHL)
Sean Maguire
G
20
Boston University (HEA)
Alexander Pechurskiy
G
23
Orsk (VHL)
Ryan Segalla
D
18
Dubuque (USHL)
Clark Seymour
D
20
Peterborough (OHL)
Oskar Sundqvist
F
19
Skellefteċ (SHL)

shureshot66 09-30-2013 10:28 PM

Roster is based on what is expected to happen by Thursday for actual puck drop.

As a primer, I highly recommend reading Mike Colligan's analysis here:

http://thehockeywriters.com/pittsbur...er-moves-2013/

Muscles4Malkin 10-01-2013 09:48 AM

Opening game against NJ, this is what I would like to see:


Kunitz - Crosby - Dupuis
Jokinen - Malkin - Neal (Jokinen taking important faceoffs)
Kobasew - Sutter - Bennett (Bennett on his natural side and can make plays)
D'agostini - Vitale - Adams

Orpik - Martin
Scuderi - Niskanen
Maatta - Bortuzzo

Fleury

Darth Vitale 10-01-2013 11:30 AM

Good stuff as always Shureshot. Keeping the board cap-literate as always. :thumbu:

shureshot66 10-02-2013 11:00 AM

Updated with Kobasew's contract.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Vitale (Post 71790669)
Good stuff as always Shureshot. Keeping the board cap-literate as always. :thumbu:

Many thanks. Now if only we could get a certain Trib beat writer to pay attention. Very frustrating to see it put in print that a guy on LTIR has his cap hit come off the books.

Anyways, it's going to be a tough spot later in the season, because they're going to have to get rid of someone just to bring back Vokoun back to the active roster.

Jag68Sid87 10-02-2013 11:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muscles4Malkin (Post 71786737)
Opening game against NJ, this is what I would like to see:


Kunitz - Crosby - Dupuis
Jokinen - Malkin - Neal (Jokinen taking important faceoffs)
Kobasew - Sutter - Bennett (Bennett on his natural side and can make plays)
D'agostini - Vitale - Adams

Orpik - Martin
Scuderi - Niskanen
Maatta - Bortuzzo

Fleury


Bennett is far better on the left side than Kobasew, who has been playing against fourth liners the last two seasons. When you play on the fourth line, it matters little if they stick you on the left side or at center (which is what Colorado did). But when you're playing in the top nine, you need to put your best out there. The third line on this team should be Jokinen-Sutter-Kobasew, with Bennett in a top-six forward role (which is what he was drafted for). And I don't care if Jokinen leads the NHL in scoring in October, my opinion won't change. Bennett is a solution to the problems we had against Boston in the playoffs. Jokinen is not.


Quote:

Originally Posted by shureshot66 (Post 71859361)
Updated with Kobasew's contract.



Many thanks. Now if only we could get a certain Trib beat writer to pay attention. Very frustrating to see it put in print that a guy on LTIR has his cap hit come off the books.

Anyways, it's going to be a tough spot later in the season, because they're going to have to get rid of someone just to bring back Vokoun back to the active roster.

Well, if by the time Vokoun is ready to be activated we won't have made a goaltender move by then, it means somehow, some way Fleury survived. Or, it means Zatkoff emerged. Neither is likely.

I'm fairly certain the first big move of this season will be with regards to the goaltending situation. And obviously we'll need to move salary in order to do so. So by the time Vokoun is ready, it'll be a moot point.

Jaded-Fan 10-02-2013 11:46 AM

I fully expect Vokoun to be out past the trade deadline. The rest would do grandpa some good at his age and with this condition and we would easily find a dance partner at a good return at the deadline for a player. Niskanen for instance.

Waffle Fries 10-02-2013 04:37 PM

A few roster thoughts...

If Letang is expected to come back for the Oct. 8th game, Maatta will probably only be here for 2 games before getting sent back to juniors.

Putting D'agostini on LTIR is the only reason we could afford to sign Kobasew. We currently have 310K in cap space. D'ags cannot come off LTIR without a subsequent move. Now simply sending Maatta back will clear the necessary space. However, D'ags has to miss at least 10 games and Maatta will be here for less time than that. Will we just role with a 22 man roster until his return, will we call Despres or a forward like Harry Z or Sill up for a few games and send him back again when D'agostini comes back, or will we be making a trade?

SidTheKid8787 10-02-2013 05:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waffle Fries (Post 71876207)
A few roster thoughts...

If Letang is expected to come back for the Oct. 8th game, Maatta will probably only be here for 2 games before getting sent back to juniors.

Putting D'agostini on LTIR is the only reason we could afford to sign Kobasew. We currently have 310K in cap space. D'ags cannot come off LTIR without a subsequent move. Now simply sending Maatta back will clear the necessary space. However, D'ags has to miss at least 10 games and Maatta will be here for less time than that. Will we just role with a 22 man roster until his return, will we call Despres or a forward like Harry Z or Sill up for a few games and send him back again when D'agostini comes back, or will we be making a trade?

I noticed that as well. They really have to assess the roster these next 10 games and open up some cap flexibility.

Such a shame that some players are just eating up not only a roster spot but good chunks of the cap where the money could be better spent.

If the injuries pile up, the players mentioned in the above sentence really put a dent into rounding out a competitive lineup.

Jacob 10-02-2013 10:22 PM

WB/S signed Drouin-Deslauriers and Carman to 25 game PTOs.. so it looks like it'll be a Hartzell & JDD tandem to start the year. Here's the lines at their practice as per Bombulie, though some guys (Sill, Farnham, Dumoulin) are still out of the line-up (but all seem close to returning).

Conner-Ebbett-Kuhnhackl
Kostopoulos-Drzenovic-Thompson
Zolnierczyk-Gibbons-Megna
Uher/Payerl/Carman/Leblond

Mikkelson-Samuelsson
McNeill-Harrington
Despres- Merth/D’Agostino

Deslauriers-Hartzell


Perhaps we should have a floating baby Pens thread for these sort of updates.

JTG 10-03-2013 03:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jag68Sid87 (Post 71860681)
Bennett is far better on the left side than Kobasew, who has been playing against fourth liners the last two seasons. When you play on the fourth line, it matters little if they stick you on the left side or at center (which is what Colorado did). But when you're playing in the top nine, you need to put your best out there. The third line on this team should be Jokinen-Sutter-Kobasew, with Bennett in a top-six forward role (which is what he was drafted for). And I don't care if Jokinen leads the NHL in scoring in October, my opinion won't change. Bennett is a solution to the problems we had against Boston in the playoffs. Jokinen is not.

Have you watched any of the preseason?

Jokinen with Geno and Neal has looked really good. Good enough to maybe lay distinction this season at being one of the most productive lines in hockey.

Bennett playing 3rd line, especially on his natural side, won't kill him at all. In fact, I think him playing on that line and having more offensive responsibility is good for him.

And after watching how this team has worked over the years, you know these lines are not concrete. Bennett will play probably a decent amount of mins in the top 6 on a night to night basis. The game just won't start that way.

NatureBoy 10-03-2013 04:00 AM

This will be a challenge for Shero and Botterill all season, it will be very interesting to follow to say the least.

Jag68Sid87 10-03-2013 11:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JTG (Post 71913611)
Have you watched any of the preseason?

Jokinen with Geno and Neal has looked really good. Good enough to maybe lay distinction this season at being one of the most productive lines in hockey.

Bennett playing 3rd line, especially on his natural side, won't kill him at all. In fact, I think him playing on that line and having more offensive responsibility is good for him.

And after watching how this team has worked over the years, you know these lines are not concrete. Bennett will play probably a decent amount of mins in the top 6 on a night to night basis. The game just won't start that way.

I'm sorry, I was too busy watching Bennett hit everything that moves, playing sound two-way hockey and creating scoring opportunities without any help from anyone in the PLAYOFFS, I didn't pay attention to the PRESEASON exploits of Jussi Jokinen.

Come on. Bennett is being stiffed here (again) and we all know it.

JTG 10-03-2013 07:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jag68Sid87 (Post 71922675)
I'm sorry, I was too busy watching Bennett hit everything that moves, playing sound two-way hockey and creating scoring opportunities without any help from anyone in the PLAYOFFS, I didn't pay attention to the PRESEASON exploits of Jussi Jokinen.

Come on. Bennett is being stiffed here (again) and we all know it.

He's really not.

Muscles4Malkin 10-04-2013 01:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jag68Sid87 (Post 71922675)
I'm sorry, I was too busy watching Bennett hit everything that moves, playing sound two-way hockey and creating scoring opportunities without any help from anyone in the PLAYOFFS, I didn't pay attention to the PRESEASON exploits of Jussi Jokinen.

Come on. Bennett is being stiffed here (again) and we all know it.

What do you have against Jokinen playing in 2nd line? JJ is perfect with guys like Malkin and Neal and crucial help at situations when you need to win a faceoff. Last season JJ did 55% and Geno only 47.2% of FOW. Geno is getting better but JJ is still far ahead.

KIRK 10-04-2013 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Muscles4Malkin (Post 71996503)
What do you have against Jokinen playing in 2nd line? JJ is perfect with guys like Malkin and Neal and crucial help at situations when you need to win a faceoff. Last season JJ did 55% and Geno only 47.2% of FOW. Geno is getting better but JJ is still far ahead.

Bennett > JJ as a winger for Malkin for reasons Jags clearly articulated.

That said, it looks like Geno will have both for a little bit. Bylsma said so, really. :sarcasm:

Heaven help us if that trio takes off, because then Neal would become a 5M per year third liner. :laugh:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Waffle Fries (Post 71876207)
A few roster thoughts...

If Letang is expected to come back for the Oct. 8th game, Maatta will probably only be here for 2 games before getting sent back to juniors.

Putting D'agostini on LTIR is the only reason we could afford to sign Kobasew. We currently have 310K in cap space. D'ags cannot come off LTIR without a subsequent move. Now simply sending Maatta back will clear the necessary space. However, D'ags has to miss at least 10 games and Maatta will be here for less time than that. Will we just role with a 22 man roster until his return, will we call Despres or a forward like Harry Z or Sill up for a few games and send him back again when D'agostini comes back, or will we be making a trade?

Niskanen makes a lot of sense if the cap is a main consideration.

shureshot66 11-27-2013 01:23 PM

This is a pretty interesting look at the future of the cap by James Mirtle. Worth a read to distract you from the sound of everyone on the roster's bones breaking at the same time.

http://www.theglobeandmail.com/sport...board/follows/

Most interesting is this handy chart, estimating the growth of the cap:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BaGAlfbCUAAocZL.png

https://twitter.com/mirtle/status/405746823148470273

Shrimper 11-27-2013 01:28 PM

A $100m cap makes me feel uneasy.

Jag68Sid87 11-27-2013 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shrimper (Post 75105221)
A $100m cap makes me feel uneasy.

More money for Dupuis, is that why?

shureshot66 11-27-2013 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shrimper (Post 75105221)
A $100m cap makes me feel uneasy.

The ceiling isn't the issue, but rather the floor. The least profitable teams in the league will be forced to spend much more money than they can afford.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jag68Sid87 (Post 75105353)
More money for Dupuis, is that why?

By 2020, the no-trade clause will simply be known as the Dupuis Clause!

mpp9 11-27-2013 02:15 PM

So what would be a good guess for the cap next year factoring in the new tv deal? 70-71?

shureshot66 11-27-2013 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mpp9 (Post 75107477)
So what would be a good guess for the cap next year factoring in the new tv deal? 70-71?

The cap is based on the HRR (hockey-related revenues) from the previous year. So the 2014-15 cap is calculated just on figures from this season, in which there is no new TV deal yet.

The 2015-16 season is the first one that could potentially be affected by the TV negotiations.

Shrimper 11-27-2013 02:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shureshot66 (Post 75106013)
The ceiling isn't the issue, but rather the floor. The least profitable teams in the league will be forced to spend much more money than they can afford.



By 2020, the no-trade clause will simply be known as the Dupuis Clause!

The floor is a big worry for me as well.

mpp9 11-27-2013 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shureshot66 (Post 75107841)
The cap is based on the HRR (hockey-related revenues) from the previous year. So the 2014-15 cap is calculated just on figures from this season, in which there is no new TV deal yet.

The 2015-16 season is the first one that could potentially be affected by the TV negotiations.

Cool. I thought the ceiling was gonna be closer to 70 next year. Makes keeping orpik impossible if not. Best news ive heard all season. :laugh:

JTG 11-27-2013 05:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shureshot66 (Post 75106013)
The ceiling isn't the issue, but rather the floor. The least profitable teams in the league will be forced to spend much more money than they can afford.



By 2020, the no-trade clause will simply be known as the Dupuis Clause!

Yeah, that was a concern of mine before this last fCBA negotiation. Not all hockey related revenue is created equal so you'll always have the haves and the have nots.

That TV deal was huge for the game though


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