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guzmania 07-13-2005 12:34 PM

04-05 contracts?
 
Are they null and void or are they shifted to 05-06? Can't find definitive info yet anyone one seen a report that speculates?

Albi 07-13-2005 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by guzmaniac
Are they null and void or are they shifted to 05-06? Can't find definitive info yet anyone one seen a report that speculates?

After the CBA. the next pressing issue is to be sure Cokemanek is gone.
I share your thoughts and prayers Guz, let's keep our fingers crossed.

:D

jt 07-13-2005 01:01 PM

04-05 WILL count for contracts.

So Luc, Straka, Quintal and Cechmanek are now UFA's and Frolov, Cammy, Belanger, Pirnes, Corvo and Holland (and maybe others) will be RFA's. I don't know about other guys who's contracts may have run out...like Clarke, Rullier, Hauser, Steckel...who knows about them...?

Dave in LA 07-13-2005 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by jt
04-05 WILL count for contracts.

So Luc, Straka, Quintal and Cechmanek are now UFA's and Frolov, Cammy, Belanger, Pirnes, Corvo and Holland (and maybe others) will be RFA's. I don't know about other guys who's contracts may have run out...like Clarke, Rullier, Hauser, Steckel...who knows about them...?

That's good news if true. Can you post current salaries?

Thanks,

Dave

guzmania 07-13-2005 01:13 PM

This is the best list I've seen:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nhl/story/3756644

Dave in LA 07-13-2005 01:25 PM

Players under contract:
Aaron Miller ($2.7 million)
Mattias Norstrom ($2.7 million)
Craig Conroy ($2.4 million),
Lubomir Visnovsky ($1.5 million)
Mathieu Garon ($1.2 million)
Nathan Dempsey ($912,000)
Dustin Brown ($912,000)
Denis Grebeshkov ($912,000)
Trent Klatt ($912,000)
Derek Armstrong ($760,000)
Tim Gleason ($646,000)
Sean Avery ($532,000)
Jeff Cowan ($532,000)

Key restricted free agents: Mike Cammalleri, Alexander Frolov

From the article the payroll is around 16.6 mil. The cap is 39 mil. You have to assume 2.5 mil is for benefits. So the payroll is 36.5 mil. That leaves around 20 mil. Sign Frolov & Cammy that leaves 15 mil.

The frenzy will begin sometime next week. Lets hope DT & TL make good on their promise.

D

jt 07-13-2005 01:47 PM

Here's the spreadsheet I've tried to keep up with:

Code:

22 man roster of guys currently under contract or are RFA's (no 2nd goalie included)                       
*RFA                       
*$450,000 minimum salary                       
                       
Player                05-06 Before        24% Savings        05-06 After
Conroy                $3,150,000        $756,000        $2,394,000
Armstrong        $1,000,000        $240,000        $760,000
Klatt                $1,200,000        $288,000        $912,000
Brown                $1,240,000        $297,600        $942,400
Cowan                $700,000        $168,000        $532,000
Avery                $700,000        $168,000        $532,000
Kostopoulos        $425,000        $102,000        $450,000
Barney                $425,000        $102,000        $450,000
Norstrom                $3,500,000        $840,000        $2,660,000
Visnovsky        $2,000,000        $480,000        $1,520,000
Miller                $3,500,000        $840,000        $2,660,000
Gleason                $850,000        $204,000        $646,000
Dempsey                $1,150,000        $276,000        $874,000
Weaver                $425,000        $102,000        $450,000
Garon                $1,600,000        $384,000        $1,216,000
Sub Total        $21,865,000        $5,247,600        $16,998,400
                       
RFA's                                                05-06 Qualifier
*Frolov                                                $857,850
*Cammalleri                                        $857,850
*Belanger                                        $758,100
*Pirnes                                                $450,000
*Flinn                                                $450,000
*Clarke                                                $450,000
*Corvo                                                $668,800
22 MAN TOTAL                                        $21,491,000
                       
UFA's                       
Straka                       
Robitaille                       
Quintal                       
Cechmanek                       
                       
Other guys who may play for Kings and are (or will be) under contract                       
                05-06 Salary                        05-06
Grebeshkov        $1,075,000        $258,000        $817,000
*Holland                $400,000        $96,000                $450,000
*Lehoux                $1,075,000        $258,000        $817,000 *Qualifier
Kanko                                $0                $0
*Muir                                $0                $0

Other guys who are (or might be) under contract to the Kings                       
Smyth                       
Ryan                       
Parros                       
Rullier                       
Steckel (I assume)                       
Hogeboom                       
Hauser                       
Brust                       
Schmidt                       
Kelly                       
Zizka                       
Pushkarev                       
Tukonen                       
Tambellini                       
Murray                       
Karlsson


Captain Ron 07-13-2005 02:00 PM

The Kings are going to be in an awesome position to go out and get 3-4 good UFA's. You have to feel sorry for teams like Detroit and the Rangers though......................NOT!!!! :biglaugh: :biglaugh:

jt 07-13-2005 04:49 PM

Actually, the Rangers have only 6 players under contract for $21,698,000. If they buy out Holik and Kasparaitis they'll be under $12 mil in salary. They are actually positioned pretty well. Add to that that the Caps are paying 50% of Jagr's salary and in one of the great sports ironies, the Rangers are actually just fine. But some teams are in for a world of hurt:

Philadelphia - $33,783,000-13 players
Toronto - $27,067,000-8 players
Detroit - $38,194,000-16 players
Dallas - $22,571,000-8 players
Colorado - $22,825,000-11 players

Albi 07-13-2005 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jt
Actually, the Rangers have only 6 players under contract for $21,698,000. If they buy out Holik and Kasparaitis they'll be under $12 mil in salary. They are actually positioned pretty well. Add to that that the Caps are paying 50% of Jagr's salary and in one of the great sports ironies, the Rangers are actually just fine. But some teams are in for a world of hurt:

Philadelphia - $33,783,000-13 players
Toronto - $27,067,000-8 players
Detroit - $38,194,000-16 players
Dallas - $22,571,000-8 players
Colorado - $22,825,000-11 players

Where do you find all these numbers jt?

If the Avs will buy out Blake, well, that would be funny.
Being DT, I'll make an offer to Adam Foote, the guy's an UFA and one of the best defensive defenseman on the planet.

Captain Ron 07-13-2005 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jt
Actually, the Rangers have only 6 players under contract for $21,698,000. If they buy out Holik and Kasparaitis they'll be under $12 mil in salary. They are actually positioned pretty well. Add to that that the Caps are paying 50% of Jagr's salary and in one of the great sports ironies, the Rangers are actually just fine. But some teams are in for a world of hurt:

Philadelphia - $33,783,000-13 players
Toronto - $27,067,000-8 players
Detroit - $38,194,000-16 players
Dallas - $22,571,000-8 players
Colorado - $22,825,000-11 players

Yes but I also wouldn't want to be a team with only 4 people under contract and trying to scramble to find the right people to fill out my roster.

Captain Ron 07-13-2005 05:02 PM

Hey Albi try here.....

http://sports.espn.go.com/nhl/column...=2106450&num=0

Albi 07-13-2005 05:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spongebob

Thanks!

jt 07-13-2005 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albi
Where do you find all these numbers jt?

If the Avs will buy out Blake, well, that would be funny.
Being DT, I'll make an offer to Adam Foote, the guy's an UFA and one of the best defensive defenseman on the planet.

I make them up.

No, I actually get them from the NHLPA's 12/9/04 offer: http://www.nhlpa.com/Proposal/NHLPAcomProposal.pdf.

I think the Avs are going to have problems if the new CBA doesn't allow them to renegotiate contracts...which I haven't seen mentioned anywhere.

jt 07-13-2005 05:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spongebob
Yes but I also wouldn't want to be a team with only 4 people under contract and trying to scramble to find the right people to fill out my roster.

True. They're going to have an awfully busy time filling that roster. But they'll also have plenty of cap space to do it.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spongebob

Quote:

GM Dave Taylor tried to lock up unrestricted free agent Ziggy Palffy before the lockout but couldn't. If he can't do it post-lockout, Taylor will have to bring in a scoring forward to fill that void. Murray, a revelation in Boston the past three years, is a familiar face, as is Allison, who will be looking to prove to someone that he's still an elite center. West Coast golf nut Mogilny also might be an option, depending on his nagging hip injury. Is Mathieu Garon ready to be a Hollywood netminder? Maybe. Maybe not, meaning Taylor will need some veteran help between the pipes. Former Canadian junior sensation Mike Cammalleri had a breakout year in the AHL, finishing second in scoring to Ottawa's Jason Spezza, and could assume a significant role as a third- or fourth-line scorer.
Anyone who suggests Allison could/would/should return has low credibility.

King Blazer 07-13-2005 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jt
I make them up.

No, I actually get them from the NHLPA's 12/9/04 offer: http://www.nhlpa.com/Proposal/NHLPAcomProposal.pdf.

I think the Avs are going to have problems if the new CBA doesn't allow them to renegotiate contracts...which I haven't seen mentioned anywhere.

Actually, truth be told, I made them up, posted them here:http://www.nhlpa.com/Proposal/NHLPAcomProposal.pdf

and I've just been messing with jt for 301-days.... :D

Thanks again for the great work jt... :handclap:

jfont 07-13-2005 05:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Albi
If the Avs will buy out Blake, well, that would be funny.
Being DT, I'll make an offer to Adam Foote, the guy's an UFA and one of the best defensive defenseman on the planet.

great minds think alike...he's also someone i was considering...

jt 07-13-2005 05:41 PM

It's what I live for...

http://www.nostalgiacentral.com/images_movie/arthur.JPG

http://www.shop4photos.net/graphics/231/231873.jpg

EDIT: well that was supposed to be funny...pictures from the movie Arthur...not so funny when the pics don't show up.

King Blazer 07-13-2005 06:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jt
It's what I live for...

EDIT: well that was supposed to be funny...pictures from the movie Arthur...not so funny when the pics don't show up.

They're working on my end...Arthur is a "Classic"...

Captain Ron 07-14-2005 01:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jt
I think the Avs are going to have problems if the new CBA doesn't allow them to renegotiate contracts...which I haven't seen mentioned anywhere.


Actually jt it has been said that no team would be able to restructure contracts in order to fit under the cap. Your only option is to buy them out.


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