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Whoot Whoot 10-15-2013 09:06 PM

Talk Slowly and Use Small Words, its the Michael Del Zotto Thread
 
Its about time he gets his own thread for the season. He's been rather transparent so far - any thoughts on him? I just saw on his nhl page he is 6'0 200lbs, could of fooled me.

DMPD 10-15-2013 09:07 PM

Pretty sick of him. Hopefully they move him before he is devoid of value completely.

Riverdale 10-15-2013 09:10 PM

I wouldn't mind seeing him traded for a top 6 winger.

Who would be interested

Aufheben 10-15-2013 09:11 PM

Trade him to the Blue Jackets for Dubi/Anisimov. :sarcasm:

Kel Varnsen 10-15-2013 09:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aufheben (Post 72680337)
Trade him to the Blue Jackets for Dubi. :sarcasm:

BJs would never do that, unfortunately.

Aufheben 10-15-2013 09:15 PM

Any team with a speedy sniper who needs someone to feed the puck up ice...?

bmoak 10-15-2013 09:19 PM

Another Gordie Clark special, along with Sanguinetti. Thanks, Gordie!

Boom Boom Geoffrion* 10-15-2013 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aufheben (Post 72680917)
Any team with a speedy sniper who needs someone to feed the puck up ice...?

Hagelin will be back soon. ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmoak (Post 72681561)
Another Gordie Clark special, along with Sanguinetti. Thanks, Gordie!

Sanguinetti and Del Zotto have nothing in common. You should know better.

Miller Time NYR 10-15-2013 09:22 PM

So collectively we want to trade del zotto to whoever, girardi to the leafs/oilers, and staal to the canes.... So whose going to play defense for us next year?

Quote:

Originally Posted by bmoak (Post 72681561)
Another Gordie Clark special, along with Sanguinetti. Thanks, Gordie!

to put del zotto in a category with sanguinetti is just absurd

Faxius 10-15-2013 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Boom Boom Geoffrion (Post 72681843)
Sanguinetti and Del Zotto have nothing in common. You should know better.

I wouldn't go that far. They both have italian surnames :sarcasm:

pld459666 10-15-2013 09:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SwedishBullet62 (Post 72681929)
So collectively we want to trade del zotto to whoever, girardi to the leafs/oilers, and staal to the canes.... So whose going to play defense for us next year?

to put del zotto in a category with sanguinetti is just absurd

McDonagh - Stralman
Moore - Local Fed Ex guy
Skjei - Local UPS guy

Would love to play the UPS guy next to the Fed Ex guy, but contractual issues prevent that.

:shakehead

KingWantsCup 10-15-2013 09:40 PM

Honestly just blow it up and start building a modern NHL team. A team that's young overall, fast, possesses the puck, scores regularly (especially on the PP) and doesn't depend on the goalie to win games.

Really, how much dumber does it get than depending on your goalie to win games? Think about what that actually means. It means you have a crappy team and you're always playing on your heels. I'm as big of a Lundqvist fan as anyone, just look at my friggin' name, but if anyone actually thinks giving him his demands of 8 years at about $8M is a good idea then you are just sorely mistaken. The Blackhawks have proven that if you have a properly constructed group of skaters, then the goalie doesn't matter as much. They wisely axed Niemi for cap reasons and then a few years later won the cup with Crawford.

We can get multiple first round picks if we trade Girardi and Lundqvist alone. MDZ would net us a nice prospect and a solid pick. The rebuild wouldn't even be all that long. Three years tops.

Go ahead. Tell me I'm stupid and that Lundqvist is God, but don't be surprised if we're stuck with a rapidly declining, 35 year old butterfly goalie with bad hips and knees that's handicapping what we can ice in front of him because of his immense cap hit, which is especially bad given the position he plays.

I take no joy in writing this post, but it's what I truly believe needs to happen. With that said because this is New York and "New York doesn't rebuild" so I expect this team to keep following the road to nowhere.

I hope I'm completely wrong and this team rises up somehow and claws its way to a cup win, but I certainly wouldn't bet on it.

Savant 10-15-2013 09:42 PM

My thoughts on Del Zotto. I think he has talent but average at best hockey sense. However I don't think that's what his major problem is.

I think the Malkin almost cutting him in half really messed with his head.

Another thing is that I've noticed he is usually bad and the beginning and end (and playoffs) of seasons. I think he has a conditioning issue. Me and my friend joke that we think he smokes cigarettes or something because he just can't keep up the same pace all season.

If he fixed his gas tank I think that would help his game a lot. I do think he has value though I don't think he is chopped meat but it's clear he was going to be the new whipping boy. That being said I would certainly trade him.

McDonaghisGod 10-15-2013 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by KingWantsCup (Post 72684551)
Honestly just blow it up and start building a modern NHL team. A team that's young overall, fast, possesses the puck, scores regularly (especially on the PP) and doesn't depend on the goalie to win games.

Really, how much dumber does it get than depending on your goalie to win games? Think about what that actually means. It means you have a crappy team and you're always playing on your heels. I'm as big of a Lundqvist fan as anyone, just look at my friggin' name, but if anyone actually thinks giving him his demands of 8 years at about $8M is a good idea then you are just sorely mistaken. The Blackhawks have proven that if you have a properly constructed group of skaters, then the goalie doesn't matter as much. They wisely axed Niemi for cap reasons and then a few years later won the cup with Crawford.

We can get multiple first round picks if we trade Girardi and Lundqvist alone. MDZ would net us a nice prospect and a solid pick. The rebuild wouldn't even be all that long. Three years tops.

Go ahead. Tell me I'm stupid and that Lundqvist is God, but don't be surprised if we're stuck with a rapidly declining, 35 year old butterfly goalie with bad hips and knees that's handicapping what we can ice in front of him because of his immense cap hit, which is especially bad given the position he plays.

I take no joy in writing this post, but it's what I truly believe needs to happen. With that said because this is New York and "New York doesn't rebuild" so I expect this team to keep following the road to nowhere.

I hope I'm completely wrong and this team rises up somehow and claws its way to a cup win, but I certainly wouldn't bet on it.

That's why this franchise is headed towards another 54 year cup drought. If you'll notice the New York way of running sports franchises isn't exactly leading to many championships.

GWOW 10-15-2013 09:54 PM

Trading Del Zotto for forwards?

Stupid.

Staal is injury prone. You want to go into the playoffs with four d-men again, with the bottom pair playing 6 mins a game?

Stupid.

GWOW 10-15-2013 09:58 PM

The Rangers top 6 forwards (in no order)

Nash
Stepan
Richards
Callahan
Hagelin
Brassard


They dont need scoring help. It's five games into the season. The same BS crybabies from last year who cried about scoring depth forgot how the Rangers were one of the leagues better offenses after the Brassard trade.

Five games.

McDonaghisGod 10-15-2013 09:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GWOW (Post 72686269)
Trading Del Zotto for forwards?

Stupid.

Staal is injury prone. You want to go into the playoffs with four d-men again, with the bottom pair playing 6 mins a game?

Stupid.

This team has one true sniper and he is becoming concussion prone. We are not going anywhere with this offense.

McDonaghisGod 10-15-2013 10:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GWOW (Post 72686569)
The Rangers top 6 forwards (in no order)

Nash
Stepan
Richards
Callahan
Hagelin
Brassard


They dont need scoring help. It's five games into the season. The same BS crybabies from last year who cried about scoring depth forgot how the Rangers were one of the leagues better offenses after the Brassard trade.

Five games.

Outside of game 7 vs. the Caps, this great offense was nowhere to be found in the playoffs.

TCRF 10-15-2013 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pld459666 (Post 72683609)
McDonagh - Stralman
Moore - Local Fed Ex guy
Skjei - Local UPS guy

Would love to play the UPS guy next to the Fed Ex guy, but contractual issues prevent that.

:shakehead

Why hello there, mr. UPS man.

http://cdn.idigitaltimes.com/data/im...insecurity.jpg

Aufheben 10-15-2013 10:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GWOW (Post 72686569)
The Rangers top 6 forwards (in no order)

Nash
Stepan
Richards
Callahan
Hagelin
Brassard


They dont need scoring help. It's five games into the season. The same BS crybabies from last year who cried about scoring depth forgot how the Rangers were one of the leagues better offenses after the Brassard trade.

Five games.

Is 13 games really that more much significant than 5, over an 82 game season? What if Nash is out for a long time?

GWOW 10-15-2013 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeetchisGod (Post 72686821)
Outside of game 7 vs. the Caps, this great offense was nowhere to be found in the playoffs.

Boston held the best offense in the league last postseason to less goals than they did to the Rangers.

GWOW 10-15-2013 10:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeetchisGod (Post 72686633)
This team has one true sniper and he is becoming concussion prone. We are not going anywhere with this offense.

And five opening games on the road against some of the best teams/goaltenders in the NHL proved this to you?

GWOW 10-15-2013 10:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aufheben (Post 72686993)
Is 13 games really that more much significant than 5, over an 82 game season? What if Nash is out for a long time?

Again, who are you getting back for Del Zotto? And not fantasy land trade returns.

Trading Del Zotto creates more of a problem than you think. It means Staal and McDonaghs PP time increases, meaning their overall ice time increases, meaning they will head into the playoffs with four d-men all playing over 23 mins a game.

McDonaghisGod 10-15-2013 10:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GWOW (Post 72687543)
And five opening games on the road against some of the best teams/goaltenders in the NHL proved this to you?

We have had a mediocre offense for years. Did you just get here? :laugh:

Boom Boom Geoffrion* 10-15-2013 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aufheben (Post 72686993)
Is 13 games really that more much significant than 5, over an 82 game season? What if Nash is out for a long time?

What if Staal bolts to Carolina?
What if Stralman gets a 5/20M contract over the summer?

Listen, I know where you're coming from. But I also know where he's coming from.

5 games isn't enough time to properly evaluate what we really have right now, especially when you factor in certain elements impacting our play to start the year.

Give it a few weeks. Let the players grasp the new system. Then analyze what moves can make us better.

Patience isn't something that comes easy for us Rangers fans, especially when you've had to witness the nonsense Sather's riddled us with. But shaking things up now can be the wrong move in 2 months when our team is playing up to their capabilities.


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