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Vamos Rafa 10-23-2013 08:26 PM

Stay-at-home defensemen in the HOF ?
 
Are there any? School me.

Any active ones that can be considered?

kmad 10-23-2013 08:46 PM

Rod Langway, Leo Boivin, Harry Howell

Scott Stevens was stay at home for the second half of his career. Chris Chelios for a good portion of his.

TheDevilMadeMe 10-23-2013 08:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Vancouver Blazers (Post 73125159)
Rod Langway, Leo Boivin, Harry Howell

Scott Stevens was stay at home for the second half of his career. Chris Chelios for a good portion of his.

Harry Howell actually put up decent offensive numbers for part of his career, despite being known primarily as a stay-at-home guy.

Ching Johnson a another guy who was a stay-at-home defenseman for most (not all) of his career.

Jack Stewart, Tom Johnson, and Fern Flaman are somewhat like Howell in that they put up decent numbers, but are mainly known as stay-at-home guys.

From the old days, Harvey Pulford and Moose Johnson were pretty much pure stay-at-home guys (though Johnson was briefly a high scoring winger before being converted to D).

TheDevilMadeMe 10-23-2013 08:58 PM

As for active stay-at-home defensemen who will make the HHOF, does Chara count? He's mainly a stay-at-home defenseman at even strength, though perhaps his overall numbers are too good to count here.

Ryan Suter has an outside chance eventually, though he puts up pretty good numbers himself.

kmad 10-23-2013 09:06 PM

I don't think someone on a first-unit powerplay can be considered stay at home.

TheDevilMadeMe 10-23-2013 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Vancouver Blazers (Post 73126197)
I don't think someone on a first-unit powerplay can be considered stay at home.

Then Howell and probably Flaman are out.

kmad 10-23-2013 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by TheDevilMadeMe (Post 73126389)
Then Howell and probably Flaman are out.

So it would seem!

eddytheeagle20 10-23-2013 09:28 PM

would adam foote have a hhof shot he was a good stay at home d-man

Killion 10-23-2013 09:30 PM

Allan Stanley.

TheDevilMadeMe 10-23-2013 09:33 PM

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Originally Posted by eddytheeagle20 (Post 73128077)
would adam foote have a hhof shot he was a good stay at home d-man

Who knows with the way these voters are. I've read rumors that Kevin Lowe was almost inducted. I'd take McCrimmon or Hatcher over either of them.

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Originally Posted by Killion (Post 73128225)
Allan Stanley.

Well known for his outlet passing, solid numbers. I thought of him myself, but decided he didn't qualify.

Mike Farkas 10-23-2013 09:56 PM

Chara's a defensive-minded defenseman and definitely way better at defense than passing, but it would really depend on your definition of "stay at home" as to whether he falls into that classification.

Psycho Papa Joe 10-23-2013 10:12 PM

Butch Bouchard would seem to fit the bill.

jigglysquishy 10-23-2013 10:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Mike Farkas (Post 73129961)
Chara's a defensive-minded defenseman and definitely way better at defense than passing, but it would really depend on your definition of "stay at home" as to whether he falls into that classification.

Was just gonna post this.

Defensively, Chara can swing it with the best of them. Are stay-at-home defenseman barred from being offensive? I think for this discussion we ignore offense and look purely at defensive ability.

In which case, Chara fits the bill.

Crease 10-23-2013 10:14 PM

I will defend Howell's stay-at-home status. He racked up 20-30 assists per season by virtue of being on the ice the same time as Gilbert and Ratelle. The PP time by virtue of lack of better options. His teams were brutal. And the two years he did something noteworthy offensively was because Boom Boom forced him to shoot the puck.

TheDevilMadeMe 10-23-2013 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Psycho Papa Joe (Post 73130927)
Butch Bouchard would seem to fit the bill.

Good one.


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Originally Posted by Crease (Post 73131015)
I will defend Howell's stay-at-home status. He racked up 20-30 assists per season by virtue of being on the ice the same time as Gilbert and Ratelle. The PP time by virtue of lack of better options. His teams were brutal. And the two years he did something noteworthy offensively was because Boom Boom forced him to shoot the puck.

Yet Howell was top 5 in scoring by NHL defensemen a few times.

I think it was probably because he played on the Rangers PP, due to them having nobody better.

Crosbyfan 10-23-2013 10:18 PM

Does Al Arbour count?
Stay at home defenceman
In HOF

VanIslander 10-23-2013 10:32 PM

Harvey Pulford was the first premier defensive defenseman, praised in the newspaper right after the 1894 Stanley Cup championship loss for being the main reason the game was close in the first half. He went on to captain Ottawa, part of the core of the Silver Seven Dynasty, an alpha male on a rugged team. He had time to be fullback for Ottawa's championship football team and win championships in boxing, lacrosse, rowing and paddling. He was one of the original inductees into the HHOF.

LeBlondeDemon10 10-23-2013 11:55 PM

Serge Savard in the latter half of his career. And for upcoming HOF'ers, I would include Nik Lidstrom as mostly a stay at home defenseman. He didn't rush the puck that much, but his superb passing skills and time on the pp allowed him to create many plays and collect well deserved assists.

Ivanko 10-24-2013 04:57 PM

Depends on what you consider stay-at-home defenseman. I would split defensemen in 3 types: offensive (good at offense, not so much at defense, e.g. Mike Green), stay-at-home (good at defense with limited offensive production, Jason Smith type) and two-way (good defensive, but also contributing offensively, e.g. Lidstrom). Then, of course, there is a fourth type of Dman that sucks at everything.

Based on this, a guy like Chara can hardly be considered stay-at-home. He scored 40 or more points in 8 consecutive seasons (practically 9) and finished 2nd in defensemen scoring couple of seasons ago.

But how about Rod Langway? He is in the HHOF, isn't he?

thom 10-24-2013 05:06 PM

Rod Languay and Serge Savard in his last 8 yrs did nothing in the offense in reg play.Scott Stevens started his career with offencive flare but his last 12 yrs were a stay at home player.These are the modern players who became hall of famers due to their stay at home play.Mark Howe though he played forward the rare time is inbetween.Kevin Lowe might be picked in veterans cattagory someday

Killion 10-24-2013 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ivanko (Post 73163455)
But how about Rod Langway? He is in the HHOF, isn't he?

Bill Gadsby
Leo Boivin
Pierre Pilote
Marcel Pronovost

... and ya, Rod Langways a good choice & in the HHOF. Tutored in Montreal by 3 more in Robinson, Savard & Lapointe.

TheDevilMadeMe 10-24-2013 07:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Killion (Post 73165479)
Bill Gadsby
Leo Boivin
Pierre Pilote
Marcel Pronovost

... and ya, Rod Langways a good choice & in the HHOF. Tutored in Montreal by 3 more in Robinson, Savard & Lapointe.

Gadsby? Pilote? Those guys are more offensive defensemen than anything else.

dennilfloss 10-24-2013 07:23 PM

Jacques Laperrière.

Big Phil 10-24-2013 07:45 PM

For me Langway is the definition of a stay at home type. Chara to an extent, but with his heavy shot, power play presence and such, he can't be considered just "stay at home".

Adam Foote in my mind has the best shot. Never played in an all-star game in his career. But was the classic definition of an unheralded defenseman. Was part of Colorado's "Big 3" in 2001.

That being said he still falls short of what I would require a HHOFer to be.

eddytheeagle20 10-24-2013 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Big Phil (Post 73174991)
For me Langway is the definition of a stay at home type. Chara to an extent, but with his heavy shot, power play presence and such, he can't be considered just "stay at home".

Adam Foote in my mind has the best shot. Never played in an all-star game in his career. But was the classic definition of an unheralded defenseman. Was part of Colorado's "Big 3" in 2001.

That being said he still falls short of what I would require a HHOFer to be.

as i was only 10 years old and didnt pay much attention to hocky why is footes 02-03 season such a outlier he scored 11 that year it just looks weird compared to his other season where he had no more then 6


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