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Zrhutch 10-27-2013 12:33 PM

Stars Willing to Move "a Contract or Two"
 
Garrioch says that the Stars have some contracts on the market.

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The talk is the Stars are willing to move a contract or two. D Alex Goligoski, who has three years left at $4.6 million per-season, was a healthy scratch last week. Former GM Joe Nieuwendyk tried to deal him last season with no success.
Personally, I think they're trying to find a way to get Connauton in full time. He was pretty good on Thursday.

So what would you offer for some of the D contracts on the Stars?

x BEUKEBOOM x 10-27-2013 12:43 PM

Gogo a LD or RD?

penguins2946* 10-27-2013 12:59 PM

Haha I can't believe that Neal and Niskanen for Gogo was actually considered a fair trade at one point. Pens just demolished the Stars on that deal. Hell, Niskanen could have more value than Gogo right now. Probably one of the most lopsided trades in a long time.

Anyway, if Scuderi ends up being out for an extended period of time, I wouldn't mind to take a look at Dailey. I doubt the Stars would move him though.

Horseradish 10-27-2013 01:02 PM

I'd love Ryan Garbutt to the Oilers.

But you don't want contracts back? Or just not NHL ones?

David Musil?

txomisc 10-27-2013 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmError29 (Post 73324959)
Haha I can't believe that Neal and Niskanen for Gogo was actually considered a fair trade at one point. Pens just demolished the Stars on that deal. Hell, Niskanen could have more value than Gogo right now. Probably one of the most lopsided trades in a long time.

Anyway, if Scuderi ends up being out for an extended period of time, I wouldn't mind to take a look at Dailey. I doubt the Stars would move him though.

Well when the trade went down it didnt look fair. Then Goli lit it up in Dallas and Neal sucked in Pittsburgh. That period of time from the trade to the end of the season is the only time it looked like a remotely good trade for Dallas. What a disaster.

txomisc 10-27-2013 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by x BEUKEBOOM x (Post 73324335)
Gogo a LD or RD?

He has played both in Dallas. He has played LD this season but in the past he has looked better at RD. He needs to be paired with a physical defensive minded defenseman.

XO 10-27-2013 01:13 PM

Cleary, Samuelsson and Quincey for Goligoski

uncleben85 10-27-2013 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmError29 (Post 73324959)
Haha I can't believe that Neal and Niskanen for Gogo was actually considered a fair trade at one point. Pens just demolished the Stars on that deal. Hell, Niskanen could have more value than Gogo right now. Probably one of the most lopsided trades in a long time.

Anyway, if Scuderi ends up being out for an extended period of time, I wouldn't mind to take a look at Dailey. I doubt the Stars would move him though.

I know a lot of people at the time were surprised that the Penguins got both Neal AND Niskanen. Neal for Gogo would've been more accurate at that time.

penguins2946* 10-27-2013 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by XO (Post 73325493)
Cleary, Samuelsson and Quincey for Goligoski

Didn't you make that same exact offer for Letang?

penguins2946* 10-27-2013 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by uncleben85 (Post 73325519)
I know a lot of people at the time were surprised that the Penguins got both Neal AND Niskanen. Neal for Gogo would've been more accurate at that time.

Niskanen is weird. Dallas may have traded him too soon, but he was really stagnated there. Being traded to Pittsburgh revived his career. His value when traded was basically none.

Ceremony 10-27-2013 01:20 PM

Goligoski to Colorado for ?

I have no idea what Dallas' needs are.

StoneColdGMJN 10-27-2013 01:21 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmError29 (Post 73325627)
Niskanen is weird. Dallas may have traded him too soon, but he was really stagnated there. Being traded to Pittsburgh revived his career. His value when traded was basically none.

His value was negative. To this day I'm still glad that we got rid of him, as he was well beyond just being stagnated. He was regressing and doing it fast.

xECK29x 10-27-2013 01:23 PM

I'd take him on the Isles, we need major help on the backend.

TheOllieC 10-27-2013 01:29 PM

How about Erik Cole with some salary retained to Carolina...


:)

Bennett Brauer 10-27-2013 01:30 PM

Hindsight is 20/20 on the Stars-Pens trade.

Neal was a 20 goal scoring winger and the Stars were stacked with wingers. Goligoski was looked at as a young promising PMD, Shero said he was untouchable unless a GM offered the right price and he got a young winger in return. Goligoski played great after the trade, Neal found chemistry with Malkin the season after the trade. Niskanen struggled in Dallas and even in Pittsburgh but he improved.

Like I said, in hindsight, you can't really fault JN for this trade, the Stars wanted a mobile defenseman and got one, and he played well, but he just didn't keep playing like he did after the trade. I'm a fan of Shero but I don't think he anticipated Neal becoming a 30-40 goal guy and finding chemistry with Malkin, and Niskanen finding his game and improving with the Penguins, I think we can credit Dan Bylsma for the improvement of both Neal and Niskanen, just like we probably can about Goligoski having a successful year that season. People like to say he's a bad coach, he has his flaws, every coach does, but he's a pretty good coach.

txomisc 10-27-2013 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by IAmError29 (Post 73325627)
Niskanen is weird. Dallas may have traded him too soon, but he was really stagnated there. Being traded to Pittsburgh revived his career. His value when traded was basically none.

and Dallas has since turned Goligoski into what Niskanen was.

Sony Eriksson* 10-27-2013 01:35 PM

Skill wise the trade looks bad for Dallas but Neal has been off the ice a lot with injuries. Niskanen wasbever going to produce Iin Dallas and he is just another example of a player who benefited from a change of scenery.

txomisc 10-27-2013 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Eyes of Orpik (Post 73326121)
Hindsight is 20/20 on the Stars-Pens trade.

Neal was a 20 goal scoring winger and the Stars were stacked with wingers. Goligoski was looked at as a young promising PMD, Shero said he was untouchable unless a GM offered the right price and he got a young winger in return. Goligoski played great after the trade, Neal found chemistry with Malkin the season after the trade. Niskanen struggled in Dallas and even in Pittsburgh but he improved.

Like I said, in hindsight, you can't really fault JN for this trade, the Stars wanted a mobile defenseman and got one, and he played well, but he just didn't keep playing like he did after the trade. I'm a fan of Shero but I don't think he anticipated Neal becoming a 30-40 goal guy and finding chemistry with Malkin, and Niskanen finding his game and improving with the Penguins, I think we can credit Dan Bylsma for the improvement of both Neal and Niskanen, just like we probably can about Goligoski having a successful year that season. People like to say he's a bad coach, he has his flaws, every coach does, but he's a pretty good coach.

I still fault JN for that. Neal was just a few years in and while he was starting to struggle it was clear there was more upside with him. The damning thing about that trade for me were comments that other teams did not even know Neal was available. It really seems like JN found a guy he wanted and zeroed in on him with blinders on causing him to get taken to the cleaners.

TrillMike 10-27-2013 01:44 PM

Honestly, the only d man ON THE NHL ROSTER I wouldn't move is Dillon. For those who need a refresher: Robidas, Daley, Goligoski, Gonchar, Jordie Benn/Aaron Rome.

Ewan McGregor 10-27-2013 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Eyes of Orpik (Post 73326121)
Hindsight is 20/20 on the Stars-Pens trade.

Neal was a 20 goal scoring winger and the Stars were stacked with wingers. Goligoski was looked at as a young promising PMD, Shero said he was untouchable unless a GM offered the right price and he got a young winger in return. Goligoski played great after the trade, Neal found chemistry with Malkin the season after the trade. Niskanen struggled in Dallas and even in Pittsburgh but he improved.

Like I said, in hindsight, you can't really fault JN for this trade, the Stars wanted a mobile defenseman and got one, and he played well, but he just didn't keep playing like he did after the trade. I'm a fan of Shero but I don't think he anticipated Neal becoming a 30-40 goal guy and finding chemistry with Malkin, and Niskanen finding his game and improving with the Penguins, I think we can credit Dan Bylsma for the improvement of both Neal and Niskanen, just like we probably can about Goligoski having a successful year that season. People like to say he's a bad coach, he has his flaws, every coach does, but he's a pretty good coach.

Also easier for Goligoski to look good back in Pittsburgh when he's playing with Crosby and Malkin.

Just like Jordan Staal.

Mr Misty 10-27-2013 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Ewan McGregor (Post 73327027)
Also easier for Goligoski to look good back in Pittsburgh when he's playing with Crosby and Malkin.

Just like Jordan Staal.

Or Neal's .1gpg when Malkin is out of the lineup.

I don't know that moving a defenseman now is a good idea because Connauton wasn't that good and Robidas is going to be moved before the deadline and nobody in Cedar Park is currently pushing for NHL ice time either. Getting KConn icetime is good for KConn but I'm not sure it is good for the Stars.

Ewan McGregor 10-27-2013 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Mr Misty (Post 73327483)
Or Neal's .1gpg when Malkin is out of the lineup.

I don't know that moving a defenseman now is a good idea because Connauton wasn't that good and Robidas is going to be moved before the deadline and nobody in Cedar Park is currently pushing for NHL ice time either. Getting KConn icetime is good for KConn but I'm not sure it is good for the Stars.

Yeah it's just never possible with Pens fans that playing with the league's two best centres will ever elevate a player.

Flamesarmstrong22 10-27-2013 02:07 PM

Chris Butler + for Goligoski

OrangeZebra 10-27-2013 02:44 PM

Isles could really use Robidas this season.

golffuul 10-27-2013 02:46 PM

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Originally Posted by XO (Post 73325493)
Cleary, Samuelsson and Quincey for Goligoski

Perfect by me.


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