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Hainzy58 10-30-2013 11:31 AM

Tor-Sjs
 
To Toronto:
Logan Couture

To Sjs:
Gardiner
Lupul
1st- 2014
2nd- 2015


Thoughts?

Is the value there for this trade.

Canada4Gold 10-30-2013 11:33 AM

San Jose is 10-1-1, no reason to trade away Couture

will13 10-30-2013 11:34 AM

Sharks won't like this.. Thornton and couture is a lethal 1-2 punch and couture is most likely their future 1c. Value might be there but the deal only makes sense for the leafs.

Liferleafer 10-30-2013 11:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hainzy58 (Post 73512815)
To Toronto:
Logan Couture

To Sjs:
Gardiner
Lupul
1st- 2014
2nd- 2015


Thoughts?

Is the value there for this trade.

Why? SJS fans are going to hate it.....and i do to. We as Leaf fans are finally seeing an uptick, why deal 4 pieces (3 young ones) to get 1...albeit good 1, but i just don't get the mentallity.

Cor 10-30-2013 11:38 AM

Pavelski would be more realistic to target.

TheJuxtaposer 10-30-2013 11:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cor (Post 73513185)
Pavelski would be more realistic to target.

How about "None of our 4 top centers are available and you should stop making proposals regardless of how fair you think they are"?

Can I interest you in a slightly used James Sheppard or Adam Burish? Those would be realistic targets.

JS19 10-30-2013 11:49 AM

In terms of seeing this trade from an objective standpoint, the value is there. Though, I'd take Lupul out, and swap him in with another top-6 player (I'm not entirely sold on his PPG stats, sounds very unsustainable to me).

However, because Couture is worth more to us (not solely in terms of trade value) than what we'd likely get in a trade, we wouldn't be able to trade him.

And whoever said Pavelski is a realistic target is dead wrong. He's not going anywhere either.

Canada4Gold 10-30-2013 12:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JS19 (Post 73513739)
In terms of seeing this trade from an objective standpoint, the value is there. Though, I'd take Lupul out, and swap him in with another top-6 player (I'm not entirely sold on his PPG stats, sounds very unsustainable to me).

However, because Couture is worth more to us (not solely in terms of trade value) than what we'd likely get in a trade, we wouldn't be able to trade him.

And whoever said Pavelski is a realistic target is dead wrong. He's not going anywhere either.

he's sustained it for around 100 games with the Leafs now dating back to the 2010-2011 season when he started playing with Kessel.

He likely won't put up 80 points because he's injured 20 games every year but the games he does play I think he's a good bet to put up PPG and probably gets 65 points per year.

But maybe that's your way to telling us you'd rather have Jvr? :)

TheJuxtaposer 10-30-2013 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canada4Gold (Post 73514629)
he's sustained it for around 100 games with the Leafs now dating back to the 2010-2011 season when he started playing with Kessel.

He likely won't put up 80 points because he's injured 20 games every year but the games he does play I think he's a good bet to put up PPG and probably gets 65 points per year.

But maybe that's your way to telling us you'd rather have Jvr? :)

I'd rather have JVR.

hockeyball 10-30-2013 12:18 PM

Couture simply isn't available, end of story.

Want Havlat? We can discuss that, but no point even discussing Couture, Thornton, Pavelski, Burns, Hertl.

Delicious Dangles 10-30-2013 01:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TheJuxtaposer (Post 73514845)
I'd rather have JVR.

JVR isn't available.

This trade is bad for both teams. And both teams lead their respective divisions. No need for trades for the sake of making trades.

bigwillie 10-30-2013 01:19 PM

One of those trades that, despite being fair value, both teams will hate.

Phion Keneuf 10-30-2013 01:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bigwillie (Post 73518191)
One of those trades that, despite being fair value, both teams will hate.

Yup pretty much this.

If leafs can trade bozak for a top 6 winger then it doesn't seem too bad though. But Lupul will most likely retire a leaf (or so I hope)

DuckEatinShark 10-30-2013 02:04 PM

No way. Couture is way too important to us. No way we'd trade him unless we're getting an even better player back (ie. Couture+ for Stamkos or something crazy like that)

Nazemlupul 10-30-2013 02:07 PM

No way San Jose trades away a core peice when they're this close to winning a Stanley cup.

RomanianLeafs 10-30-2013 02:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nazemlupul (Post 73520573)
No way San Jose trades away a core peice when they're this close to winning a Stanley cup.

no they won't trade a core player , but i keep hearing every year how clase they are to the title and when the playoffs starts it ends quickly for them..i have a feeling they will be done once again after the first round or second...

MittensAreNifty 10-30-2013 02:50 PM

Didn't the Leafs essentially trade away the pick that turned into Couture for Toskala?



:(

Nighthock 10-30-2013 02:53 PM

I cringe whenever I see a thread involving SJ ... I think this will be the last one I open

Kulemon 10-30-2013 02:57 PM

Why are there always some leaf fans that love making these 'strip the whole team apart and give up our most valuable assets for a first line centre' proposals. All of them make the team worse in the short and long term. You guys are ridiculous.


Like a PPG winger that is in his prime, a future potential star defenseman, AND a first rounder and another pick for a great two way top line centre? I'd rather keep our pieces. Especially since Kadri could be better than Couture.

Vaasa 10-30-2013 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thebombers (Post 73512977)
Sharks won't like this.. Thornton and couture is a lethal 1-2 punch and couture is most likely their future 1c. Value might be there but the deal only makes sense for the leafs.

He IS there 1c at the moment. Couture and Marleau make up the top line, with Jumbo now essentially being the 2c. JT is still the better player, but Couture basically the top-line center now.

Hertl My Pickles 10-30-2013 03:19 PM

This really doesn't make sense. Couture is not going anywhere. Nor is Pavs. Making an offer on our top 9 as it stands right now, I would say are all off limits.

Leidi J 10-30-2013 03:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RomanianLeafs (Post 73521671)
no they won't trade a core player , but i keep hearing every year how clase they are to the title and when the playoffs starts it ends quickly for them..i have a feeling they will be done once again after the first round or second...

Yup, two conference finals appearances in the last four years sure is a quick end... Kinda like the only other teams that can say that are the Kings, Bruins, and Blackhawks. You know the last three Stanley Cup winners. Yup that's some real bad company. :help:

FishManSam 10-30-2013 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MittensAreNifty (Post 73522647)
Didn't the Leafs essentially trade away the pick that turned into Couture for Toskala?



:(

Yup :cry:

Inverted 10-30-2013 04:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MittensAreNifty (Post 73522647)
Didn't the Leafs essentially trade away the pick that turned into Couture for Toskala?

:(

Wrong. Couture was picked 9th overall in the 2007 draft. The pick Toronto traded was 13th overall which was traded by San Jose to St Louis who switched picks to drafted Lars Eller.

Saskatoon 10-30-2013 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Canada4Gold (Post 73512965)
San Jose is 10-1-1, no reason to trade away Couture

Agree, decent value but makes no sense


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