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JR#9* 09-29-2003 07:05 AM

In your opinion what is this current roster's biggest need or an area that should be
 
upgraded?

To me I like the 4 lines and top 6 at this point as well as having some decent depth both upfront and on defense with guys that will be 13-14th forwards and 7-8th dmen so I would sit tight but just curious what spots other feel need to be upgraded upon or a specific area we should look to address either now or at some point during the season since it's so dead here today.

#37-#93-#27* 09-29-2003 07:11 AM

Defense!

I like our forwards and can live with what we have on D until they start sucking which is a given.

LiquidClown 09-29-2003 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by JR#9
upgraded?

To me I like the 4 lines and top 6 at this point as well as having some decent depth both upfront and on defense with guys that will be 13-14th forwards and 7-8th dmen so I would sit tight but just curious what spots other feel need to be upgraded upon or a specific area we should look to address either now or at some point during the season since it's so dead here today.

A good solid defensive defenseman.... we still lack one.

Leetch, Malakhov, Bobo, De Vries, Purinton, Poti

Not a single true stay at home defenseman in that group. Purinton is the closest thing but not exactly a great caliber player if you get my drift. (Not a knock against him, it's just not who he is). Ever since Beuk went down we've really lacked that stay at home guy that is just mean and hits hard.

Lundyfan 09-29-2003 07:16 AM

A good defenseman. I like the forwards but the D could still use help.

SingnBluesOnBroadway 09-29-2003 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by JR#9
upgraded?

To me I like the 4 lines and top 6 at this point as well as having some decent depth both upfront and on defense with guys that will be 13-14th forwards and 7-8th dmen so I would sit tight but just curious what spots other feel need to be upgraded upon or a specific area we should look to address either now or at some point during the season since it's so dead here today.


The top two lines are set IMO.

I would like to get one more good defensive forward to play with Holik and Lundmark. With the likes of Barnaby, LaCouture, Simon, and Petrovicky all being marginal players and probably better suited for the fourth line, I would like to get that one more defensive wing to sure up the checking line.

deVries has been a real nice surprise IMO. I did not have high hopes for him but he has shown me something by going to teammates defense and for being a stable partner for Poti and Tyutin. With that said, I would love to package Malakhov and a prospect for a big defenseman.
I would offer Malakhov (1M paid) and Garth Murray to Boston for Hal Gill and a fourth rd pick.

Kodiak 09-29-2003 07:16 AM

Defensive forwards.

Of all of our 3rd/4th line wingers (Lundmark, Barnaby, Simon, Petro, Scott, LaCouture), LaCouture is the only one that is good defensively. The rest can range from decent to downright awful on any given day.

tony 09-29-2003 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR#9
upgraded?

To me I like the 4 lines and top 6 at this point as well as having some decent depth both upfront and on defense with guys that will be 13-14th forwards and 7-8th dmen so I would sit tight but just curious what spots other feel need to be upgraded upon or a specific area we should look to address either now or at some point during the season since it's so dead here today.

a mojo penalty killer would be nice.

Bacchus 09-29-2003 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by LiquidClown
Not a single true stay at home defenseman in that group. Purinton is the closest thing but not exactly a great caliber player if you get my drift. (Not a knock against him, it's just not who he is). Ever since Beuk went down we've really lacked that stay at home guy that is just mean and hits hard.

Exactly my thoughts!

True Blue 09-29-2003 07:57 AM

I still think that this group is short a defensive defenseman who is nasty to play against. They still need another crease clearer. All of our current top 6 (including Leetch & the M&M boys and excluding Dale because it looks like he is slated for #7), still think of personall points first instead of clearing the crease). But it's an area that would be hard to fill unless either of Poti, Malacough, & Bobo get traded. The likelihood of there being a huge marker for the Ambiguosly Defenseless Russian Duo
is slim and I still cannot see Sather trading Poti after giving up York for him.

Jackson Ranger 09-29-2003 08:02 AM

TEAM DEFENSE!

Goaltending: As well as Dunham played last year, he needs to duplicate it this year or do even better.

Defense: Too much age, not enough discipline (Kasper, Mironov).

Forwards: Messier and Lindros need realize that their is an offensive AND defensive zone.

Defense is where it all starts and usually ends. Until this team commits to a greater team defense, they'll struggle to make the playoffs.

RANGERDIEHARD 09-29-2003 08:04 AM

A big defensive defenseman who can play physical and clear out the crease is priority # 1. Then I would want a fast defensive forward who can play on the checking line with Holik and kill penalties.

RFAN 09-29-2003 08:31 AM

I see everyone saying a stay at home defensemen, which I also agree! The question is who could that be? There are not that many around, but I would be more than happy to give up Poti for one!

True Blue 09-29-2003 08:37 AM

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Originally Posted by RFAN
I see everyone saying a stay at home defensemen, which I also agree! The question is who could that be? There are not that many around, but I would be more than happy to give up Poti for one!

The "who" is certainly an important question. Nick Boyton is one I would certainly look at. He is a Group II free-agent who is still unsigned. Yes he can carry the puck and is a pretty good passer & shooter, however, he plays a pretty physical game and WILL throw down the gloves whenever necessary. Add his size, and he seems to be a perfect combination of grace and brawn. In short, every thing that both of the M&M boys should be, but aren't. Oh, and Boyton also does not take nights off. Personally, I would trade Poti straight up for him in a heartbeat.

Fletch 09-29-2003 08:41 AM

This group needs to...
 
realize that to win, you need to work hard. And, once this team does start to win again, I think the postivity from that will flow and will lead ot better play. This team may be capable. The forward lines are quite solid, if used properly. The defense isn't half bad, even if this team is missing a Scott Stevens, or another high-impact defensive defenseman, but that's not needed everywhere. If Kaspar can maul everything in sight and stay out of the box, there's your impact. There seems and sounds to be a system...now if it can be played efficiently, that'll be good thing.

But it comes down to being smart and playing hard. This group has been capable individually over the past several years to do such a thing with various clubs; can they finally bring that all together?

kazo 09-29-2003 08:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SingnBluesOnBroadway
The top two lines are set IMO.

I would like to get one more good defensive forward to play with Holik and Lundmark. With the likes of Barnaby, LaCouture, Simon, and Petrovicky all being marginal players and probably better suited for the fourth line, I would like to get that one more defensive wing to sure up the checking line.

deVries has been a real nice surprise IMO. I did not have high hopes for him but he has shown me something by going to teammates defense and for being a stable partner for Poti and Tyutin. With that said, I would love to package Malakhov and a prospect for a big defenseman.
I would offer Malakhov (1M paid) and Garth Murray to Boston for Hal Gill and a fourth rd pick.

Malakhov is a 35 year old who has bad knees and who oftentimes plays with indifference. Plus the Bruins would still have to pay Malakhov 3 mil? I can hear Jacobs laughing from here.

The Bruins and the Rangers both need help on D which is what makes them poor trading partners.

nyr5186 09-29-2003 08:50 AM

Over the past 6 years, the Rangers have been the worst penalty killing team in the league. What has Sather done to improve our PK? Nothing. Until he stops relying on Mess to kill penalties and brings in a real PK specialist/defensive forward, this team will continue to lose games because they cant kill penalties. Or at least make a real effort in practice to improve it.

Kodiak 09-29-2003 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by kazo
Malakhov is a 35 year old who has bad knees and who oftentimes plays with indifference. Plus the Bruins would still have to pay Malakhov 3 mil? I can hear Jacobs laughing from here.

The Bruins and the Rangers both need help on D which is what makes them poor trading partners.

Actually, I think a deal like that might not be so bad, if we ate more salary. Malakhov makes 3.5 mil this year and is in the last year of his contract. The Bruins currently have McGillis, Gill, Moran, O'Donnell, Brennan, and Jillson on D until Boynton signs. Aside from Jillson (a rookie), they have NO ONE on D that can move the puck. Malakhov might be a nice fit, if they want him. The only reason the deal even has a chance of going through would be because Gill isn't as good as some people on this board think he is.

Melrose_Jr. 09-29-2003 10:34 AM

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Originally Posted by nyr4life5186
Over the past 6 years, the Rangers have been the worst penalty killing team in the league. What has Sather done to improve our PK? Nothing. Until he stops relying on Mess to kill penalties and brings in a real PK specialist/defensive forward, this team will continue to lose games because they cant kill penalties. Or at least make a real effort in practice to improve it.

Agreed. I like LaCouture, but to say he's the best defensive forward on this team is frightening. I think Nedved is a great killer, but he logs heavy ES and PP minutes already. I also like Petro, Barnaby and Scott, but in addition Simon, that's a lot of players that all do relatively the same job. The team's not built with a strong #1 PK unit it mind.

If it were me, I'd have kept Donato and told Messier to eff himself. I would have found a way to keep Samuelsson in last year's Kovie trade, maybe by dealing Petro instead. That leaves a 4th line of D-Lac/Donato/Sammy. Kill units are D-Lac/Donato, Nedved/Sammy. With a LOT of practice and direction from Renney, I'd like to think that group could put our PK in the top 1/2 of the league.

Brooklyn Ranger 09-29-2003 10:41 AM

Yeah, Petrovicky is every bit as good as Samuelsson was. I'm shocked that Pittsburgh didn't demand him as well!

33teddy33 09-29-2003 10:54 AM

ha.
they need Ted Nolan to come whip their ***** into shape.
hope that they gel this year.
tired of watching playoffs w/out them.

Sather again?

Hope people stay healthy. The moves they made this year to date are solid.

Little something something on Defense would be terrific.

Leetch has good year. we are okay.

Maybe he needs the "C"?

kazo 09-29-2003 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kodiak
Actually, I think a deal like that might not be so bad, if we ate more salary. Malakhov makes 3.5 mil this year and is in the last year of his contract. The Bruins currently have McGillis, Gill, Moran, O'Donnell, Brennan, and Jillson on D until Boynton signs. Aside from Jillson (a rookie), they have NO ONE on D that can move the puck. Malakhov might be a nice fit, if they want him. The only reason the deal even has a chance of going through would be because Gill isn't as good as some people on this board think he is.

The Bruins aren't going to swap defensemen. They gain nothing that way. If they are going to trade they will trade one to their forwards for help on defense. No way they pick up a guy (Malakhov) who might only have a year left in his career (assuming a lockout).

_P_ 09-29-2003 10:59 AM

a shot of youth would great...young hungry guys that are trying to take peoples jobs and verterans will in turn have to look over there shoulder at the kids to keep there jobs...healthy compotition

Melrose_Jr. 09-29-2003 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Brooklyn Ranger
Yeah, Petrovicky is every bit as good as Samuelsson was. I'm shocked that Pittsburgh didn't demand him as well!

I need a :rolleyes: in there if you're being facetious. Tell ya what, the can keep Wilson and I'll STILL give 'em Petro. ;)

My intent was not to open a debate about specific deals. Point is, Sather has not only chose to do nothing about the PK problems, he's consciously parted with anyone who even resembles a sound defensive forward in favor of offense, grit, or in Messier's case, window dressing. Seems to me that the first step in remedying the PK situation would be to retain the services of those who have the ability to do something about it.

RANGERDIEHARD 09-29-2003 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by RFAN
I see everyone saying a stay at home defensemen, which I also agree! The question is who could that be? There are not that many around, but I would be more than happy to give up Poti for one!


The guy I wanted now plays for Detroit.

Vito Andolini 09-29-2003 01:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR#9
upgraded?

To me I like the 4 lines and top 6 at this point as well as having some decent depth both upfront and on defense with guys that will be 13-14th forwards and 7-8th dmen so I would sit tight but just curious what spots other feel need to be upgraded upon or a specific area we should look to address either now or at some point during the season since it's so dead here today.

Jeez...where to start....
First and most importantly, we need YOUNG, impact, diverse, core players who are leaders. This team is never going to be a winner until we develop a young group of guys to carry it.

Second, we need real defensive crease clearing d-men, and I'm not talking about Malacough and Bobo. Consistent defensive play is what is gonna get us back towards respectibility, and we are severely lacking in it. I dont think Purinton fits this bill, atleast not yet. He's decent defensively, but not a defensive work horse, also he's not physical enough in the crease.

Third, we need some defensive forwards. I don't think we have a single one, not since we dealt Samuelsson. This is a huge concern for the same reason as I gave for number 2. Consistent defensive wins in the NHL, and not every player on the ice needs to be a go-to type player. So we need atleast 1 on our top two lines, and 1 or 2 on the bottom two lines.

That being said, it will not be easy to make these changes. It would take a huge commitment by management towards a rebuilding process, and we all know that will never happen in New York, so....


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