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RedSeven 11-09-2013 05:00 PM

Cowen
 
The kid has been brutal all year. His #'s don't reflect how bad he has been because he has been bailed out so much but honestly, i'd be down to move him if we could get a younger winger JVR/Schenn style trade.

The Big Mac talks about accountability. That is BS. If he wants to talk about accountability, bench or sit cowen.

Big Mac is a terrible x's and o's coach. Great motivator but if it wasn't for insane statistical goal tending last year he wins absolutely nothing.

HavlatMach9 11-09-2013 05:00 PM

Him on the 5on3 pk was awesome. Getting better and it's nice to see.

Benny FTW 11-09-2013 05:02 PM

Patience.

Although he needs to get meaner.

HockeySens 11-09-2013 05:05 PM

I thought this would be Cowen Depreciation thread. Seriously though, he made some good plays in the third period

Vesa Awesaka 11-09-2013 05:14 PM

Cowen had an okay game. Truth be told i thought he was playing really safe today. Who would you rather have Cowen or Gudbranson after watching todays game? Young dmen take time to develop. We have to be patient and imo he' been improving.

2Cowen 11-09-2013 05:24 PM

He's still young and coming back from surgery. Give him some time. Dmen his size are hard to find

Nac Mac Feegle 11-09-2013 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HavlatMach9 (Post 74106835)
Him on the 5on3 pk was awesome. Getting better and it's nice to see.

Definitely agreed.

So far this year he has been brutal in the defensive zone, but something definitely clicked today. Maybe it's just a matter of confidence, or getting his timing back.

I still wonder about his hockey IQ, but just when you think the kid might be a dud, he puts together a really nice game. They say you have to be patient with young defensemen as it takes longer to develop, and his injuries compounded that quite a bit.

It is really hard to be patient, especially when you see some other young D in the league do so well so young, but if this kid pans out and we end up with a Pronger-lite.....holy hell! That would be so amazing!

It definitely looked today like he's on the right track. It's taking awhile, but maybe, just maybe he's starting to turn that corner.

FolignoQuantumLeap 11-09-2013 05:40 PM

I find this thread oddly timed. He's been getting better since moving up to play with Karlsson. Probably his best 3 games have been our last 3 wins.

The Expert 11-09-2013 05:45 PM

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Originally Posted by FolignoQuantumLeap (Post 74108501)
I find this thread oddly timed. He's been getting better since moving up to play with Karlsson. Probably his best 3 games have been our last 3 wins.

I've read this a few times, but I really don't see it. He got noticeable walked twice in the Montreal game and was saved by Lehner, and continues to play 2-on-1s very poorly. He was no help to Karlsson after his giveaway that lead to the first goal today. He's been getting luckier in that his mistakes haven't been leading to as many goals, but he's playing badly.

This is why you don't hold out a miss training camp after missing nearly an entire season with an injury the year before.

HavlatMach9 11-09-2013 05:47 PM

MacLean also said he had a great game today.

aragorn 11-09-2013 05:56 PM

He's a young guy learning a difficult position with a partner who at the moment is a give away machine. IMO you don't give away a 6'5" defenceman with his skill set, it would be great if he played with Borocop's edge but it would be great if they all did. Cowen has the potential to be a great defenceman for this organization, he's a keeper for sure, it would be a stupid move to trade him on almost the same level as letting Chara go. :yo:

burf 11-09-2013 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Benny FTW (Post 74106937)
Patience.

Although he needs to get meaner.

No he doesn't, he already takes way too many bad penalties.

Powdered Toast Man 11-09-2013 06:00 PM

I hated his play (non-play?) on the first goal but I can most certainly see the forest through the trees...even if the trees are big and have breasts.

Holdurbreathe 11-09-2013 06:04 PM

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Originally Posted by HavlatMach9 (Post 74108805)
MacLean also said he had a great game today.

Yah but what does MacLean know :sarcasm:

Cowen played well today, very well in fact.

On the Karlsson giveaway he moved to the front to take away the potential pass and the Florida forward snuck one past Lehner. It is easy for all the backseat D-men to say what they would have done, but had Cowen challenged and the puck ended up in the back of the net the blame team would have pointed the finger at Cowen anyway.

Holdurbreathe 11-09-2013 06:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by aragorn (Post 74109189)
He's a young guy learning a difficult position with a partner who at the moment is a give away machine. IMO you don't give away a 6'5" defenceman with his skill set, it would be great if he played with Borocop's edge but it would be great if they all did. Cowen has the potential to be a great defenceman for this organization, he's a keeper for sure, it would be a stupid move to trade him on almost the same level as letting Chara go. :yo:

If Cowen played with Boro's edge he would be in the penalty box all night!

Interestly Boro spent lots of minutes in the AHL sitting in the box playing the way he is now, hopefully AHL and NHL refs don't compare notes.

Rocket Richard 11-09-2013 06:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Holdurbreathe (Post 74109527)

On the Karlsson giveaway he moved to the front to take away the potential pass and the Florida forward snuck one past Lehner. It is easy for all the backseat D-men to say what they would have done, but had Cowen challenged and the puck ended up in the back of the net .

This is were he should have challenged with his big body in front of the net, but didn't!

Other than that, He had a better game Today than in the past!

Minister of Offence 11-09-2013 06:12 PM

Would be a great way to look like a competent GM.

Sign promising young player, give up after a month of underperformance. If he had the confidence to sign the player to the contract, he should have the confidence to wait as Cowen gets back and develops.

Nac Mac Feegle 11-09-2013 06:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Powdered Toast Man (Post 74109347)
I hated his play (non-play?) on the first goal but I can most certainly see the forest through the trees...even if the trees are big and have breasts.

Yes and..........whoa? What freaky forest are you lookin' at?

Holdurbreathe 11-09-2013 06:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocket Richard (Post 74109821)
This is were he should have challenged with his big body in front of the net, but didn't!

Other than that, He had a better game Today than in the past!

IMO you are wrong, the forwards were caught leaving the zone on the misplay by Karlsson. Cowen had two Panthers to worry about, he took away the pass and left Lehner to deal with the shooter on the short side.

9 out of 10 times no goal is scored when played as Cowen played it.

FolignoQuantumLeap 11-09-2013 06:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rocket Richard (Post 74109821)
This is were he should have challenged with his big body in front of the net, but didn't!

Other than that, He had a better game Today than in the past!

He was pretty much screwed on the play no matter what. If you look at the replay you'll see 3 forwards back in the zone and in the frame but none of them in position to defend. Leaves 3 guys for Karlsson and Cowen to cover on the goal mouth. If he steps up on the play it's 2 guys alone in front of Lehner. Honestly, he probably made the less risky and correct play here.

Rocket Richard 11-09-2013 06:24 PM

Well we agree to disagree!

He was standing right there, and his choices were to watch the guys beside him or challenge the puck carrier, and he just stood there and watched instead of using his body in front of the net!

SenzZen 11-09-2013 06:28 PM

I went 2 weeks without playing because of a minor groin injury. It's shocking how quickly you can lose timing/feel/rhythm- call it what you will. I'm playing beer league hockey.

How much time did Cowen miss?

He'll serve the crow before too long.

neutral zone trap13 11-09-2013 06:33 PM

We should hold onto Cowen. Dmen with his combination of size/speed/skill are not easy to find. All he needs is to get smarter and then he will be a beast, not worth giving up on him unless Murray has an offer he can't refuse (although that goes for everyone).

The Turret 11-09-2013 06:37 PM

http://melindascollins.com/wp-conten...ience-yoda.jpg

He'll turn it around! :nod:

Powdered Toast Man 11-09-2013 06:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nac Mac Feegle (Post 74109895)
Yes and..........whoa? What freaky forest are you lookin' at?

A very distracting forest


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