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Coldplay 12-05-2013 10:23 AM

Trade Proposal Thread v4 - Trade or No Trade Edition
 
Don't shoot the messenger, but Eklund is floating the idea that the Habs and Avs may be discussing a Subban for MacKinnon deal. Now, I don't believe this for a second, but it's fun to discuss the implications of such a move.

He says MacKinnon is the kind of player we've been "craving for a very long time". While I would agree with that, would you be ready to give Subban up for him?

I'm going with an emphatic no, because unless Beaulieu is ready to step in right now and fill an important role on this team (which I don't believe he is), then we'd really expose our D. Not to mention that giving up on Subban could be a Roy-esque blunder in the long-run if MacKinnon doesn't become any better than a 2nd line player.

What do you think?

For anyone interested in reading more about this, it's over at HockeyBuzz. I won't link out of principle, because this is clearly hit-motivated rumor-mongering. ;)

hototogisu 12-05-2013 10:26 AM

No. For McDavid? Maybe. For MacKinnon? No. And I'm a big MacKinnon fan.

CrAzYNiNe 12-05-2013 10:26 AM

I'll take a star D over a star forward any day.

Watsatheo 12-05-2013 10:27 AM

If someone delivered a bag of poop I'd considering shooting them. Just saying. :sarcasm:

Coldplay 12-05-2013 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Watsatheo (Post 75568673)
If someone delivered a bag of poop I'd considering shooting them. Just saying. :sarcasm:

Should I be afraid? :sarcasm:

habfan1968 12-05-2013 10:35 AM

I would not trade Subban for anyone in the league right now.

Pierre Dagenais 12-05-2013 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by habfan1968 (Post 75569039)
I would not trade Subban for anyone in the league right now.

Don't be such a homer.

I would trade Subban for Crosby, Malkin, Ovechkin or Stamkos.

Andy 12-05-2013 10:36 AM

No.

We'd get better at the forward position while making a huge huge hole on the back. Teams like Boston and LA have shown that you do not need all star forwards to win, just good depth. At the same time, you can't win without a premier defenseman imo. Look at all the recent cup winners: Chara, Doughty, Lidstrom, Pronger-Neidermayer, Keith-Seabrook on defense. The only team that doesn't fit is Pittsburgh as I don't feel Letang is the same class. However, when you have to generation talents up front, you can get away without having a top 10 all-around D-man, provided you have decent defensive depth.

We have no one close to replacing Subban in the system, Markov is getting older. We'd set the team back for a few years with such a trade.

Like LG said early in the off-season...the team is not far from being a contender. It just needs another top 4 D-man and a top 6 winger who can get his nose dirty (doesn't have to be the biggest player). This should have been addressed in july. Bergevin is making a mistake if he's trying to look for a splash like this at this point.

JayKing 12-05-2013 10:37 AM

Nope.

Flyinghab 12-05-2013 10:37 AM

I guess Ek needed some hits on the website. This is so ridiculous!

Godzilla 12-05-2013 10:38 AM

oops...I am the 1 vote for yes. Pressed the wrong answer. Sorry.:shakehead

Ginu 12-05-2013 10:38 AM

Hell no. Mackinnon hasn't proven anything. We have our Mackinnon in Galchenyuk. We just have to give him time. I'd rather Subban and Galchenyuk than Galchenyuk and Mackinnon.

Habs 4 Life 12-05-2013 10:39 AM

No, going forward we are going to need PK a lot more then we would need a MacKinnon and I like that kid

Mario Lemieux fan 66 12-05-2013 10:39 AM

We trade Subban for MacKinnon and then we trade Galchenyuk for Drouin and we trade Eller+ Beaulieu+ 1st round pick for a #1 d-man.

attachetatuque 12-05-2013 10:40 AM

nope. We have enough young talent up front that we need to develop. Chuckie may be an equal to Mckinnon in terms of talent. We're well rounded in terms of (future?) stars. Chucky and Patches up front, Subban and Markov at the point and Price in net. We also have a good 2nd tier player mix with Eller, Plek, Gallagher, Desharnais (yes...although IMO he is a movable asset), Gorges, Emelin. we need to keep this core intact and just keep adding pieces that will provide grit and energy and focus on developing young talent. If McCarron pans out...we could be in for a real treat. And that's not naming the other studs we have in juniors

mark24 12-05-2013 10:42 AM

Voted yes but it would have to be Mackinnon ++ for Subban +, can't see a one for one like this ever going down, really doesn't happen any more in today's NHL

Habs10Habs 12-05-2013 10:42 AM

I love MacKinnon, but there's no way I'd give up PK for him.

Runner77 12-05-2013 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Coldplay (Post 75568473)
(...) but Eklund is floating the idea that the Habs and Avs may be discussing a Subban for MacKinnon deal. ;)

What was this site's fake rumor mongering rule, again? :sarcasm:

Threads based on Eklund are several notches below this site's pop-up ads. Can we move on to more plausible contingencies? Why do we need a poll on this? :laugh:

Redux91 12-05-2013 10:45 AM

i could of swore people were bringin up "subban and our 1st (3rd overall) for huberdeau or nail yakupov" last year...

the amount of times i facepalmed hurt my head

JLP 12-05-2013 10:45 AM

Why trade a guy who is great for a guy who may be great?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Godzilla (Post 75569187)
oops...I am the 1 vote for yes. Pressed the wrong answer. Sorry.:shakehead

I'm relieved our posters are not even 5% dumb on this!

Rosso Scuderia 12-05-2013 10:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by habfan1968 (Post 75569039)
I would not trade Subban for anyone in the league right now.

That's crazy thought!

That Habs Fan 12-05-2013 10:45 AM

I'd love MacKinnon, but there's no way I'd do this. Especially because we already have Galchenyuk

Mario Lemieux fan 66 12-05-2013 10:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JLP (Post 75569509)
Why trade a guy who is great for a guy who may be great?

Lower cap hit. Subban will earn in the next 2 years 8 millions/year and MacKinnon around 4 millions/year.

Smoky Thompson 12-05-2013 10:50 AM

Why would the Avs take MacKinnon over Jones, then trade MacKinnon for Subban?

And why would the Habs trade their Norris winner and future captain for an 18 year old?

MacKinnon could become an elite forward, but Subban is already an elite defenseman. And Galchenyuk could become an elite forward. So this trade doesn't really make any sense.

SmurfsFTW 12-05-2013 10:54 AM

NO !

PK is worth a lot more than only Mackinnon at this point.

For a package including Mackinnon ? Maybe, but, Habs would then need an established top pairing D. You don't deal those for a rookie forward, unless grossly overpaying.


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