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bishop12 12-06-2013 01:14 PM

Ryan Ellis
 
I've always thought this guy would be great...ever since that first world juniors. Anyway, I haven't watched much Preds this year, but is the general feeling out there? Is he progressing into a player?

I noticed he's an RFA...is he potential trade bait for the Preds?

Just wondering what the general feeling is out there with the preds fan base.

Thanks

barrytrotzsneck 12-06-2013 01:17 PM

I would say he's been largely disappointing. His possession numbers have always been great...until you see how sheltered he is from quality competition\defensive zone starts.

He's mediocre defensively and hasn't really impressed me with his supposed offensive prowess either.

bishop12 12-06-2013 01:58 PM

Thanks for the comments. I am disappointed to hear he's fallen into the bad books around here. I read another post in another thread about him being Blum Part 2! Yikes.

preds1 12-06-2013 02:13 PM

I may be in the minority but I really like Ellis.
He can skate the puck up without the dump & chase, good passing ability, and a heavy shot.
Smaller for a d-man but uses his body well. Tends to be the whipping boy on here similar to Klein a few years back.

I don't see him passing any of our current top-4 anytime soon, but I'd much rather have him on the 3rd pairing than Hillen, Gill, SOB, Blum or Hannan.

PFL615 12-06-2013 03:14 PM

He is a solid 3rd pairing dman who can be effective on the PP. Think he could be a little more productive in a more wide open system where players aren't afraid to fart past the blue line.

Overall hasn't lived up to his hype.

nashpreds 12-07-2013 12:26 AM

I think he needs to work on his skating, its just not good enough. If he could do that I think his overall game would see a lot of improvement. He's not horrible for 3rd pairing, but he's not that great either. Most of his value comes on the 2nd PP unit.

GeauxPreds 12-07-2013 09:42 AM

Right now he's just a meh sort of player. Serviceable on 3rd pairing and as a PP guy with sheltered minutes. I wasn't paying much attention to preds prospects at the time he was drafted so maybe I'm just not as dissapointed as everyone else. There is still time for him to mature and get better so I don't think we've seen the end of his progress, especially under housley, but I don't think his ceiling is anything more than an ok 2nd pairing guy that can be good on the powerplay.

Roman Yoshi 12-07-2013 09:53 AM

A worse version of MAB. Ceiling is MAB. Drafted a specialist player, not a special player.

bishop12 12-07-2013 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Roman Yoshi (Post 75690359)
A worse version of MAB. Ceiling is MAB. Drafted a specialist player, not a special player.

Just watched that whole game.

I can't see how anyone can really opine on him when he barely plays. Another game where they can't score and they're not using him.

CalleJAMkrok 12-08-2013 03:34 PM

stilll very young, but he is only getting better. He shows flashes of offensive brilliance all the time. He has a good breakout pass, shot, can deke, and his slap pass is nice.

On other teams Im sure he wouldnt play as much protected minutes as he does here, were just blessed to have Weber-Jones Josi-Klein in our top 4. His downfall is speed and strength, both can be improved by training.

I see no reason not to qualify him.

deanwormer 12-08-2013 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by CantbeatzPekka (Post 75787263)
stilll very young, but he is only getting better. He shows flashes of offensive brilliance all the time. He has a good breakout pass, shot, can deke, and his slap pass is nice. <snip>
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+1

He's taking longer to develop than any of us would like, but our threshold for acceptable on D is pretty high. His O-game is pretty solid - as mentioned he makes a solid breakout pass, he sees the ice well, he has pretty good judgement on what he's doing on the O end, he has a plus shot. His D isn't terrible, more mediocre, but his lack of speed and skating ability, along with his lack of size, really make it tough to see him hitting the potential everyone saw in him in the Jrs. He's too easy to take advantage of; to cycle on, to park in front of the net and get tips and screen goalies, to go past with a little speed.

Really, this is a guy Trotz needs to figure out how to make look good this year to maximize his trade value whether this year or next; it simply makes no sense to project him long-term as a Pred - we are solid on the right side and Jones will certainly be able to QB the 2nd PP unit soon enough.

bishop12 01-21-2014 12:40 PM

Watched the game last night and really liked what I saw from Ellis. Leads the team with +5? wow I find that crazy...

The Detroit feed was going on and on about a righty Dman....I wonder if the preds would deal Ellis to them?

RCola88 01-21-2014 12:48 PM

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Originally Posted by barrytrotzsneck (Post 75648529)
I would say he's been largely disappointing. His possession numbers have always been great...until you see how sheltered he is from quality competition\defensive zone starts.

He's mediocre defensively and hasn't really impressed me with his supposed offensive prowess either.

As bottom 6 player with huge offensive upside, I'm okay with his lack of defense. He isn't on the team to stop players, he creates things in the O-zone. Put him with a defensively sound player and he'll be great.

Joe T Choker 01-21-2014 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop12 (Post 78451921)
Watched the game last night and really liked what I saw from Ellis. Leads the team with +5? wow I find that crazy...

The Detroit feed was going on and on about a righty Dman....I wonder if the preds would deal Ellis to them?

buy low, sell high, I wouldn't cry if Ryan Ellis was traded to Detroit

Persona5 01-21-2014 01:27 PM

I would hate to see Ellis moved. Love the way he is playing this season and while he isn't going to be dominate in the d-zone because of his size he still has been positionaly sound and better along the boards than he has in the past. Once the puck is on his stick and going up the ice it generally turns into something positive and it isn't just a chip out of the zone. Also, that shootout goal he scored recently was a beauty.

Nashville Transplant 01-21-2014 02:24 PM

Ellis is a terrific player, who understands his size and limitations against bigger bodies, but makes very smart plays in the offensive zone and is responsible enough to know he has teammates who rarely understand how to back him up when he joins the rush. Housley can only make him better, and the naysayers of Nashville may wish to drive him out of town, but he's a keeper at this point.

Nashville Transplant 01-21-2014 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by RCola88 (Post 78452355)
As bottom 6 player with huge offensive upside, I'm okay with his lack of defense. He isn't on the team to stop players, he creates things in the O-zone. Put him with a defensively sound player and he'll be great.


LOL, he's a defenseman... "Bottom 6" refers to third and fourth line forwards. :shakehead

RCola88 01-21-2014 02:48 PM

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Originally Posted by Nashville Transplant (Post 78457543)
LOL, he's a defenseman... "Bottom 6" refers to third and fourth line forwards. :shakehead

Yes I ****ing know he's a defense men. When I say "bottom 6" I'm refering to 5th - 6th D-man, there are 6 defensemen. Bottom of the 6, it could go both ways.

Enoch 01-21-2014 02:54 PM

Ellis has always had decent positioning. His lack of foot speed simply causes him to lose the edge/foot races at times. As he is getting older, he is being given more offensive responsibility.

Housley has down an excellent job with this defense's offensive accumen. Weber, Ellis, Josi all have taken large steps forward. Klein is even more rock steady as a defensive defensemen. Seth Jones amazes even despite his rookie mistakes/gaffes. Ekholm fits the part. Even Bartley is playing a solid role when he is on the ice.

The +/- stats won't back up the above praise on the defensive end, but I blame that more on the putrid goaltending we have had of late.

stevio51 01-21-2014 03:10 PM

I love the kid. He is extremely smart in his own zone and occasionally will show a flash of brilliance in the offensive zone. I'd hate to see him go.

MrJoshua 01-21-2014 03:55 PM

As he is right now he's a solid third-pairing defender with well above average offensive skills. If he continues working on and improving his skating I think he has quite a bit of ceiling left to reach.

Nashville Transplant 01-21-2014 04:00 PM

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Originally Posted by RCola88 (Post 78458843)
Yes I ****ing know he's a defense men. When I say "bottom 6" I'm refering to 5th - 6th D-man, there are 6 defensemen. Bottom of the 6, it could go both ways.


he's actually a "defenseMAN" and while I don't mean to bag on you, defensemen skate in "pairings" so you're saying you think he's part of a 3rd defensive pairing... I disagree, but that's what makes horseraces.

bishop12 01-21-2014 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by RCola88 (Post 78458843)
Yes I ****ing know he's a defense men. When I say "bottom 6" I'm refering to 5th - 6th D-man, there are 6 defensemen. Bottom of the 6, it could go both ways.

He's not a 5th-6th dman tho...

MrJoshua 01-21-2014 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop12 (Post 78466917)
He's not a 5th-6th dman tho...

That's debatable. I think he is, although he can fill in on the 2nd pairing and not look too out of place. I believe he needs to improve his skating before he can be reliably considered more than a third-pairing defender. That said, his skating this season is improved over last year and if he keeps working on it and getting better I think he has a lot of potential and could certainly become a 2nd-pairing guy. But right now I consider him a solid 3rd-pairing defender with a high ceiling, mostly held back by his skating.

RCola88 01-21-2014 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by bishop12 (Post 78466917)
He's not a 5th-6th dman tho...

He would be on a good team. He isn't much help in the D zone, and is pretty much offense heavy. It's a great thing to have for the PP though


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