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mbhhofr 12-29-2013 12:38 PM

Tobacco
 
This is an article from the Winnipeg Free Press. Is it another wake up call?

http://www.winnipegfreepress.com/bre...237547261.html

19Backstrom 12-29-2013 01:29 PM

So they chew tobacco. Big deal.

Watch for the Yeti 12-29-2013 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Onetimersniper28 (Post 76932789)
So they chew tobacco. Big deal.

It actually is a big deal.

19Backstrom 12-29-2013 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Watch for the Yeti (Post 76932853)
It actually is a big deal.

Come on, I see 12 years old kids everyday hiding in the backstreets to smoke after school, and that's nothing new.

Terry Yake 12-29-2013 01:57 PM

it's pretty much the same as smoking cigarettes except it's being done in a different form

it's been present in the sports world for years and years and just like cigarettes, it'll continue to stay that way as more kids start doing it once they see their peers doing so. obviously it's bad for you and obviously the kids know that

Chip Chipperson 12-29-2013 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Onetimersniper28 (Post 76932789)
So they chew tobacco. Big deal.

Pretty much this. Who cares.

boo10 12-29-2013 02:18 PM

This is actually very shocking to me, as I played hockey at the highest levels in my youth and never, ever saw anyone using chew. Sudafed on the other hand........

In contrast, I also played high level baseball and was introduced to "Chaw" at a very early age, (13 or so). Teabags or more commonly, a wad of tobacco wrapped in Big League Chew.

Rosen Plevneliev 12-29-2013 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by boo10 (Post 76934911)
This is actually very shocking to me, as I played hockey at the highest levels in my youth and never, ever saw anyone using chew. Sudafed on the other hand........

In contrast, I also played high level baseball and was introduced to "Chaw" at a very early age, (13 or so). Teabags or more commonly, a wad of tobacco wrapped in Big League Chew.

I started to see it once I hit bantam. On my junior team almost all the players chewed, but they stopped chewing at the rink when the coach booted our starting goalie off of the team for giving some to a 16 year old call up. I tried it, but I didn't like it so it never became a habit for me.

Once I got to pro I saw only a couple of team-mates chewing.

I think the reason young kids start doing it is that they see the older "cool kids" chewing and want to do it, and then they become the "cool kids" and the cycle continues.

Canadiens1958 12-29-2013 02:43 PM

Chewing Tobacco
 
Thank you mbhhofr for posting a very informative and important article touching health issues that impact our youth.

If such issues do not concern you then kindly internalize them and avoid the submit reply button.

clapper19* 12-29-2013 02:52 PM

I share a similar story with many kids who started young. I played varsity baseball and hockey starting in 9th grade and was introduced to it very young. I'm 24 now and started chewing full time when I was 16 years old averaging a little over a tin a day for 8 years. scary. I was close to two tins a day playing college baseball.

mbhhofr 12-30-2013 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Terry Yake (Post 76933915)
it's pretty much the same as smoking cigarettes except it's being done in a different form

Not the same. These lines toward the end of the article caught my eye:

Chew delivers more nicotine than cigarettes.

Chewing tobacco is kept in the mouth for many hours (60 minutes equals eight cigarettes). The high nicotine levels make quitting very difficult.

Smokeless tobacco use is associated with gum disease, the development or oral cancer and tooth decay. At least 28 chemicals in smokeless tobacco have been found to cause cancer.

shoeshine boy 12-30-2013 08:07 AM

once in a beer league game the opposing goalie went flying off the ice and out the door in the middle of play so that he could puke into a trash can. turns out the idiot had swallowed the smokeless tobacco that he had in his lip. he tried to tell the refs it was coffee but they weren't buying it.
they tossed him out of the game because somewhere in the USA Hockey rules it forbids using tobacco during a game.
:handclap:

Killion 12-30-2013 10:26 AM

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Originally Posted by shoeshine boy (Post 76987991)
once in a beer league game the opposing goalie went flying off the ice and out the door in the middle of play so that he could puke into a trash can. turns out the idiot had swallowed the smokeless tobacco that he had in his lip. he tried to tell the refs it was coffee but they weren't buying it.
they tossed him out of the game because somewhere in the USA Hockey rules it forbids using tobacco during a game.
:handclap:

Ya, thats one of the many strange parts about it. Youd think in a full contact sport where your often being hit or without thinking just might swallow, then your cooked. Its coming back before its halfway down & your throwing up. The other thing is generally when your playing your mouth will get dry, your sweating, having a chaw of tobacco in your mouth just about the last thing youd want as youd be spitting that crap out, the nicotine absorbed & absolutely inhibiting rather than increasing performance. Just crazy. Unlike cigarettes I guess it doesnt affect the respiratory system but like cigarettes and with one chew the equivalent of 8 cigarettes absolutely thats going to affect several vital organs including the heart.... certainly appears endemic, an epidemic. A dangerous fad thats highly addictive. Really kind of bizarre. Like a throwback to the early & mid 20th century. Chewing tobacco. Incredible.

Beauner 12-30-2013 11:19 AM

Chew is a part of hockey culture. Like it or not, it's always going to be found at the rink. Even in high school, most of the guys would take a dip in the locker room. Some guys all the time, others very rarely, some never. It wasn't a big thing, people just did what they wanted. The guys who didn't chew would sometimes poke fun ("hey can I have some mouth cancer too!") but that was just friendly ribbing.

I don't chew. Never tried it. But I don't really care if any of my teammates do. Just let everyone do their thing.

Thesensation19* 12-30-2013 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Onetimersniper28 (Post 76933019)
Come on, I see 12 years old kids everyday hiding in the backstreets to smoke after school, and that's nothing new.

Does not mean its a big deal...
Yet this is not really news. Chewing tobacco is huge among hockey players.

You cant really force them to not do it. There is no way to prove it either.

Its a real shame when people do this. Its a shame a lot of people do half of the things they do but its their lives. Dont endanger any lives around you and I could care less. Oh, and do you job.

leftwinger37 12-30-2013 12:15 PM

It's been a part of the culture as long as I can remember. But then again, so is drinking beers after mens league games. If I were a junior coach, I would ban it from the bus, rink, locker room, etc. if for no other reason than ensuring it doesn't have an effect on the athletes performance.

Ultimately, this is one of those areas where it's up to the individual to make the right choices. Kids do lots of dumb things; I know because I did plenty of dumb things myself. As long as they are of age and obtianing it legally you just have to chalk it up as a bad decision. Unfortunately, they may have to suffer the consequences in terms of their health, but that's life.

MNjens 12-30-2013 02:54 PM

Feel like chewing is something that's kind of brushed under the rug in professional sports. I'd say it's a minority of players that use it in hockey and baseball. I started when I was 18 (22 now) and me personally there's nothing better then playing on a outdoor rink in the dead of winter with a chaw in. Just don't be stupid giving it to little kids and stuff

Bridges31 12-30-2013 08:29 PM

Speaking from experience... It's so difficult to quit. Started when I was 15 or 16 (I'm 24 now) and just recently quit 4 months ago. Friends in high school were doing it on the bus, teammates on the hockey team were doing it too, so I decided to give it a try. Used to go through a tin a day like it was nothing. My pre-game ritual always started with a dip in. Felt like I couldn't play without it.

4 months ago, I ended up with some "areas of concern" along my gums. I'm having a follow up appointment in a couple of months to see if a biopsy needs to be done. Haven't touched dip since that day.

Having said that, it doesn't bother me if professional players, or anyone else for that matter, are doing it. It's their own personal choice, just like it was mine. You hate to see young kids starting. It's terrible. But they're are always going to be kids smoking or chewing no matter what the circumstance.

Sleepy 12-31-2013 01:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Beauner (Post 76995185)
Chew is a part of hockey culture. Like it or not, it's always going to be found at the rink.

People would have said the same thing about smoking in bars and restaurants, and that's slowly going away as well.

Jarick 12-31-2013 01:31 PM

Glad to say I never, ever tried chewing tobacco. Smoked on and off for a few years, but I've got enough bad health habits.

clapper19* 12-31-2013 03:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Jarick (Post 77066277)
Glad to say I never, ever tried chewing tobacco. Smoked on and off for a few years, but I've got enough bad health habits.

Should actually try it. It tastes good and beginners catch a nice buzz. Don't get addicted though. Much better than smoking (I've tried smoking once in my life and hated it)

thom 12-31-2013 04:14 PM

So you would rather drink a bottle of vodka than smoke cigarettes really.Whiskey vodka rum all forms of liquer is 10 times worse than smoking

Watch for the Yeti 12-31-2013 04:48 PM

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Originally Posted by thom (Post 77074153)
So you would rather drink a bottle of vodka than smoke cigarettes really.Whiskey vodka rum all forms of liquer is 10 times worse than smoking

Are we really comparing the two.

thom 12-31-2013 04:52 PM

Sorry I just want to argue the point that sure tobacco can cause cancer but is Whiskey really a better solution.just sayin not judging I dont care of you do both or do neither

MNjens 12-31-2013 04:54 PM

Grizzly Wintergreen. Anybody? ?


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