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likea 08-07-2005 08:06 AM

Penguins still have 6-8 million to spend
 
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Add it up, and the Penguins' projected payroll as currently constituted hovers around the $27 million mark. Of course, that's provided they retain players at a rate approaching their already tendered qualifying offers, along with bonus-baby deals to Crosby and Malkin. Give or take some roster moves, this leaves the Penguins around $6 million to $8 million left to spend in free agency.
they have capped themselves at around 32-34 million

even with the 2 major signings, expect them to add 2-3 more players....

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The Penguins would like to add another center and possibly one more defenseman to their roster.
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/05219/550020.stm

The Penguins planned for this lockout and it is really paying off.

Kvashinator12 08-07-2005 08:09 AM

Biggest joke ever "we are bankrupt, we have no money, we might have to move, we can't compete" which was obviously BS the money was there. They never even attempted to get anyone and they could have kept some of their players.

KevinAcc 08-07-2005 08:13 AM

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Biggest joke ever "we are bankrupt, we have no money, we might have to move, we can't compete" which was obviously BS the money was there. They never even attempted to get anyone and they could have kept some of their players.
Wow.

Mr Jiggyfly 08-07-2005 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kvashinator12
Biggest joke ever "we are bankrupt, we have no money, we might have to move, we can't compete" which was obviously BS the money was there. They never even attempted to get anyone and they could have kept some of their players.

Kleenex?

likea 08-07-2005 08:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Kvashinator12
Biggest joke ever "we are bankrupt, we have no money, we might have to move, we can't compete" which was obviously BS the money was there. They never even attempted to get anyone and they could have kept some of their players.

ya, they just declared bankrupt in court years ago....those liars...lol

the Penguins spent 34 million just 4 years ago and made money that season because of a long playoff run

the can spend in the low 30's....but they could not give the raises needed to keep their players and be competitive

they may have to move if they do not get a new arena because their revenues are maxed out at the old arena and cannot compete with other teams when the salary cap goes up

no, they decided to rebuild instead of keeping 1 star and a bunch of bums and finishing right outside the playoffs every year...so they let their kids play which allowed them to see who was ready for NHL action. All this while they got good picks and positioned themselves for the FA's after the CBA to fill holes

Le Golie 08-07-2005 08:23 AM

I think it is safe to say that winning the lottery drastically changed the Pens business plan going forward. Without that lottery, they stick to the original plan of building with cheap but talented youth. Now they have Crosby to build around and there is enough excitement about him to start filling the building immediately. That allows them to compete again.

penshavehope 08-07-2005 08:27 AM

I thought this was to post what the pens would do with 6-8 miilion left on their self proposed cap- not a place for other to whine about new investers putting in. any way the will sign a goalie and one center- cujo or burke and for center-stumple then the turn attention to rfa :handclap:

Poignant Discussion 08-07-2005 08:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Kvashinator12
Biggest joke ever "we are bankrupt, we have no money, we might have to move, we can't compete" which was obviously BS the money was there. They never even attempted to get anyone and they could have kept some of their players.


Yup and in 6 years when this CBA is up we will hear the same old story again. Hopefully though this time the ignorant fans that supported the owners will see what a bunch of lying scum they are and maybe give the players some support.

The lockout was not about money to most of the teams, it was about stealing stars from big markets. Lucky my team didn't lose anyone this way really or I would be even more pissed off. What will be REALLY funny is if some of the bigger market teams fans tune out in droves, then we will see the NHL is actual danger not the spin they tried during the last lockout.

And I don't want to hear the excuse "level playing field" because it's anything but a level playing field. The small markets get to steal the players from the bigger teams AND get supported through revenue sharing through the bigger teams, cute double edged sword eh.

likea 08-07-2005 08:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Le Golie
I think it is safe to say that winning the lottery drastically changed the Pens business plan going forward. Without that lottery, they stick to the original plan of building with cheap but talented youth. Now they have Crosby to build around and there is enough excitement about him to start filling the building immediately. That allows them to compete again.


not true at all

they planned to spend this much pre-lottery

but they did get a huge bargain because of Crosby and filled their first need...a scoring center

bcrt2000 08-07-2005 08:52 AM

I think the Penguins are going to get an arena one way or another but they want to show that they are dedicated to icing a winning team probably to increase those chances

p.l.f. 08-07-2005 08:53 AM

i dont see a very good team at all in pittsburgh

theres virtually no defense

Lionel Hutz 08-07-2005 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NataSatan666
Yup and in 6 years when this CBA is up we will hear the same old story again. Hopefully though this time the ignorant fans that supported the owners will see what a bunch of lying scum they are and maybe give the players some support.

The lockout was not about money to most of the teams, it was about stealing stars from big markets. Lucky my team didn't lose anyone this way really or I would be even more pissed off. What will be REALLY funny is if some of the bigger market teams fans tune out in droves, then we will see the NHL is actual danger not the spin they tried during the last lockout.

And I don't want to hear the excuse "level playing field" because it's anything but a level playing field. The small markets get to steal the players from the bigger teams AND get supported through revenue sharing through the bigger teams, cute double edged sword eh.

Couldn't agree more. this is totally unfair to the big market teams. My heart breaks for their fans who have lost star players recently, and now only have 2, perhaps 3 star players left on the roster, when the truth is, they have a God given right to horde all the talent. Now way in the world it will be good for the NHL to spread the talent around, it should be highly concentrated in a few cities.


The Pens were bankrupt 4 years ago, how in the world could their situation change in 4 years? I smell a rat.

Kvashinator12 08-07-2005 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by likea
not true at all

they planned to spend this much pre-lottery

but they did get a huge bargain because of Crosby and filled their first need...a scoring center


If that was the case, I have no problem with the spending at all. But when all you hear is that we have no money we might have to relocate, and player salaries are out of control you look at the teams who have contributed to the salary structure in the new nhl.

Lionel Hutz 08-07-2005 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Kvashinator12
If that was the case, I have no problem with the spending at all. But when all you hear is that we have no money we might have to relocate, and player salaries are out of control you look at the teams who have contributed to the salary structure in the new nhl.

I recall the Pens saying they could not compete to re-sign their talented players. I recall them saying they could not put a winning product on the ice by putting together a line-up of 2nd or 3rd tier players. I recall their talent being picked off the roster by teams in an advantaged situation in a buyers market. I recall them deciding, in light of all this to opt in favour of rebuilding, a youth movement, and waiting for a fair CBA.

I think you have selective memory when it comes to this.

The salary structure will pan out in a couple of years. Any damage being done right now is far less than that done by the big market teams under the old CBA.

Skyy47 08-07-2005 09:01 AM

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Originally Posted by p.l.f.
i dont see a very good team at all in pittsburgh

theres virtually no defense

Apparently you don't grasp the the sentence "the Pens still have 6 to 8 million left to spend".

As for they lying about being bankrupt, they weren't. They don't have money right now, but are simply using future money, if you will, because they know their will be money coming now that the league is financially stable.

Lionel Hutz 08-07-2005 09:05 AM

As for the no defense comment, could be true. However:
1) Gonchar is a offensive specialist, but he is no slouch, people make it out like he's an Ian Moran back there. He is not.
2) Jackman and Tarnstrom were much improved at the end of the last season, I have no idea how they will play now. Jackman could be the star he was once projected to be, he could not. I won't know until I see it.
3) Orpik was much improved at the end of last year. He could very well be a star whan hockey resumes. Again I'll have to see, it certainly is possible, he's got the tools and the smarts.
4) there is more money to spend.

neelynugs 08-07-2005 09:07 AM

hey - how much will lemieux be making this year?

Lionel Hutz 08-07-2005 09:11 AM

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Originally Posted by neelynugs
hey - how much will lemieux be making this year?

He is a UFA.

Grave77digger 08-07-2005 09:12 AM

(insert uninformed big market fan here) ItS NOt fAiR! SmalL MARket TeAmS ARE StEELing ouR STARZ BOOHOO... PArity isnt good for sPoRTZ! i ThouGht tHE PENZ WHERe Poor!?!?

Looks like reality has caught up with a bunch of haters and they cant handle the fact they have been wrong. :nopity:

tom_servo 08-07-2005 09:14 AM

I'm almost positive the Penguins won't be receiving shared revenue, so that particular complaint can be retired.

Lionel Hutz 08-07-2005 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Grave77digger
(insert uninformed big market fan here) ItS NOt fAiR! SmalL MARket TeAmS ARE StEELing ouR STARZ BOOHOO... PArity isnt good for sPoRTZ! i ThouGht tHE PENZ WHERe Poor!?!?

Looks like reality has caught up with a bunch of haters and they cant handle the fact they have been wrong. :nopity:

You forgot that the draft lottery was rigged. :teach:

Wisent 08-07-2005 09:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Le Golie
I think it is safe to say that winning the lottery drastically changed the Pens business plan going forward. Without that lottery, they stick to the original plan of building with cheap but talented youth. Now they have Crosby to build around and there is enough excitement about him to start filling the building immediately. That allows them to compete again.

Agreed. The lottery changed ther whole finacial situation. And it's not like tyhey are big spenders or something. Under the old CBA there salaries would still be in the lower third.
But another question is, what would they do with anoother center? Rather get a proper defenseman, although they would have to trade for one.

Lionel Hutz 08-07-2005 09:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Wisent
Agreed. The lottery changed ther whole finacial situation.

It did change the situation, but it didn't change the plan. This was the plan since the great fire-sale. It never changed.

Frightened Inmate #2 08-07-2005 09:20 AM

It is a legitiment question, why is Pittsburgh being able to sign all of these star players and being able to do so in a competitive manner salary wise when for the past 5-10 years the only thing that has come out of that city is the same old story regarding how the NHL needs a new CBA (which it did mindyou) in order to drive down the inflated salaries. Fine I can accept that, I actually agree with a lot of that, but then for the Penguins to finally have this great CBA which gives them a huge leg up, and what do they do they increase their payrole significantly from the year before signing star players left right and center.

So in a year where revenues are predicted to be down significantly the Penguins all of a sudden have a huge surge of capital coming into the team? From who? From where is this money coming?

Kurtangletn 08-07-2005 09:21 AM

lotterly was rigged, like how like 3 canadian teams with 1 ball just happened to be the top 10 and not to mention pit was the team who they could rig to first that wouldnt look obvious, but would be best for nhl to have the mario crosby link.

kinda bothers me that they dont do it live and behind closed doors


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