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dnicks17 02-15-2014 04:37 PM

The New Arena Thread
 
Last one hit 1k.


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Originally Posted by Halibut (Post 79962309)
I'm totally fine with that. If you watch the Olympic games between good teams like Russis-USA today it's pretty clear the extra ice doesnt add much to the game. Teams collapse around the net, there's a little more room on the perimeter but less physical contact. Less hitting more transitions back and forth but no more actual scoring chances.

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Originally Posted by Replacement (Post 79951671)
We're talking stadium vs Arena here though. Arena sq footage is more costly than Stadium so that comparison doesn't really work.

As to the latter point people will be surprised when they figure out how much of a proportion of seats in the new build are premium or luxury seats. There won't be many seats for Joe Hockey fan. This is a blueblood leveraged pricing build.

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Originally Posted by blueandgoldguy (Post 79920173)
I would have thought the new arena would provide a bigger upgrade in seat width than that.

For example, all general seating at Investors Group Field is 21 inches in width and even the new budget-concious Tim Hortons Field in Hamilton will have 22-inch wide seats.

The 1000 seats that are 21 inches high at Rogers place probably will be the club seats so only available to the rich folks or tier 1++ in Kevin-Lowe speak.

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Originally Posted by Hockey Fan #751 (Post 79909333)
The Saddledome and MTS Centre in Winnipeg both can convert to Olympic size if needed but it's a completely unnecessary feature now that ice rinks are allowed to be NHL sized for International events on North American soil.

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Originally Posted by joestevens29 (Post 79882525)
Honestly the width of the seats doesn't really matter all that much. Make them 23 inches wide won't really matter if the seat in front of you is too close.

Totally different ball of wax. NHL isn't going to have different ice surface sizes unless they are forced to. It is crazy to expect the rink to change at this point. The time to implement this was back in the the early 90's when teams started making new barns. But with over half the arenas in the league being built between 93-99 you pretty much have to wait until those arenas are ready to be replaced to implement a change like that.

What would be the point of us stopping at hybrid ice surface anyway? At that point you might as well have it designed to international specs.

Not sure what it would cost to have an ice surface that can change sizes, but that's about the only thing I could see the NHL allowing.

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Originally Posted by rboomercat90 (Post 79876593)
I think the NHL as a league really missed the boat on this issue in the past 10-15 years. This should have been addressed when the wave of new arenas first started being built. With Edmonton being one of the last cities to build an arena I think it's too late to do anything about it. I can't see the league interested in having one arena with different dimensions than the rest of them. They were thrilled when the Sabres moved out of the old auditorium because it was smaller than regulation.

Baseball stadiums may have different dimensions in the outfield but the infields, with the exception of pitchers mounds I suppose, are identical because that's where most of the play is. That isn't messed with. A throw across the diamond from third to first is the same everywhere as is a catchers throw to second base. If you changed that in a few parks it would be too much of an advantage for one team. I think it would be the same thing for a hockey rink. Like I said, it would be a different story if everybody was playing under those conditions. That ship sailed about fifteen years ago.

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Originally Posted by Paralyzer (Post 79962687)
I disagree. It does matter. I got a friend who is overweight and loves watching oiler games, but he can't enjoy sitting in Rexall Place because the chairs are very uncomfortable. He's not HUGE but he has to sit closer to the edge of his seat to even feel remotely comfortable. And we all know everyone MUST sit back in their seat. Plus then theres the people who sit next to you who touch you because they got no room to move their arms or even get their wallet out of their pockets because of those stupid armrests. If they aren't gonna make the seats 22 inches wide, then at LEAST have moveable armrests! would make it a LOT more enjoyable.


Starbuds 02-15-2014 06:04 PM

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T-Funk 02-15-2014 06:09 PM

Another uncomfortable post by starbuds...

So anyways did they guarantee a place for me to park my dually longbox extended cab grocery getter in the final plans? Cause I really need that thing to drive on snow.

Valic 02-15-2014 06:30 PM

Funny story, I once sat down in a seat at Rexall, and the arm rest went into my pocket and tore a 6 inch hole in my jeans. =(

nabob 02-15-2014 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Valic (Post 79966557)
Funny story, I once sat down in a seat at Rexall, and the arm rest went into my pocket and tore a 6 inch hole in my jeans. =(

:handclap::laugh:

raab 02-16-2014 11:23 AM

Is anyone else as dissapointed with the name as I am? Rogers already has the naming rights on so many buildings, would have been nice to see an Oil company step up and sponsor the thing or any other major Canadian company.

Wheathead 02-16-2014 11:35 AM

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Originally Posted by raab (Post 79995467)
Is anyone else as dissapointed with the name as I am? Rogers already has the naming rights on so many buildings, would have been nice to see an Oil company step up and sponsor the thing or any other major Canadian company.

I was hoping for the Pfizer Viagaradome myself.

Hockey Nightmare 02-16-2014 11:50 AM

Personally, I was hoping for Winners. ;)

Asher 02-16-2014 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by raab (Post 79995467)
Is anyone else as dissapointed with the name as I am? Rogers already has the naming rights on so many buildings, would have been nice to see an Oil company step up and sponsor the thing or any other major Canadian company.

As much as I dislike naming the arena after a pharmacy chain or any big business venture at least Rexall was unique and somewhat appropriate with Katz being the owner. Another Rogers building is about as boring as it gets...

Hockey Nightmare 02-16-2014 11:58 AM

I hope they take inspiration from Sochi and put a score clock on the side of the building. Unfortunately, given the state of the team, it might be considered a source of visual pollution. ;)

Groucho 02-16-2014 09:19 PM

When it comes down to it, who really cares what the building is called? Honestly. What difference does it make whether its Rogers Place or Mcdonalds Center.

Aceonfire 02-16-2014 09:23 PM

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Originally Posted by raab (Post 79995467)
Is anyone else as dissapointed with the name as I am? Rogers already has the naming rights on so many buildings, would have been nice to see an Oil company step up and sponsor the thing or any other major Canadian company.

Most of the Oil offices are in Calgary so the execs could care less.

I was hoping that a business that started locally would step up like Shaw or The Brick.

Groucho 02-16-2014 09:26 PM

Comrie doesn't own the Brick anymore, he sold it to Leons (IIRC).

armandh01 02-16-2014 09:28 PM

I don't care about the name that much. Rogers isn't horrible; however, I don't like "Place". It's sort of bland.

okgooil 02-16-2014 09:40 PM

So any one know the details of the surrounding developments? Is the Edmontontonian just purposed or is going to go ahead?

T-Funk 02-16-2014 10:45 PM

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Originally Posted by armandh01 (Post 80025439)
I don't care about the name that much. Rogers isn't horrible; however, I don't like "Place". It's sort of bland.

Rogers palace would be ok. Really with the way they're pimping it right now, they should have called it the Rogers Technology Dome

Ek het lief Woef 02-16-2014 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by okgooil (Post 80025895)
So any one know the details of the surrounding developments? Is the Edmontontonian just purposed or is going to go ahead?

It's a pie in the sky proposal.

The Staples COE office Tower is going ahead and Stantec is rumored to be looking at three sites downtown for new office digs; popular opinion says Entertainment District.

Look for a couple Condos and a Hotel and/or mixed use to go ahead in the next 5-7 years as well.

Bank Shot 02-17-2014 02:44 AM

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Originally Posted by Groucho (Post 80025147)
When it comes down to it, who really cares what the building is called? Honestly. What difference does it make whether its Rogers Place or Mcdonalds Center.

I care. A building with a good, and especially consistent name becomes part of the culture and an easily identifiable landmark. It brings consistency and respect.

When you think of Madison Square Gardens or Joe Louis Arena you instantly know the city where those buildings are located, and what they represent.

Someone not from the three cities in Canada bearing the Rogers Moniker on their buildings aren't going to know the difference between Rogers Place, Rogers Centre, and Rogers Arena.

Look at how the Canucks get jabbed for changing their logos and colours repeatedly through their history. It's a bit of the same thing.

If you don't care what the building is called, then why care what anything else is called? Might as well change the Team name to the Edmonton Rogers, and they can replace the Oilers logo with a big Rogers brand. What difference does it make?

Groucho 02-17-2014 03:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Bank Shot (Post 80032203)
I care. A building with a good, and especially consistent name becomes part of the culture and an easily identifiable landmark. It brings consistency and respect.

When you think of Madison Square Gardens or Joe Louis Arena you instantly know the city where those buildings are located, and what they represent.

Someone not from the three cities in Canada bearing the Rogers Moniker on their buildings aren't going to know the difference between Rogers Place, Rogers Centre, and Rogers Arena.

Look at how the Canucks get jabbed for changing their logos and colours repeatedly through their history. It's a bit of the same thing.

If you don't care what the building is called, then why care what anything else is called? Might as well change the Team name to the Edmonton Rogers, and they can replace the Oilers logo with a big Rogers brand. What difference does it make?

Well for one thing that is completely absurd and not even close to what we are discussing.

Tarus 02-17-2014 03:36 AM

I don't much care about the arena name, but I do wish they had called it Rogers Colosseum or something to differentiate it more from Vancouver and Toronto's arenas.

Rogers Place, Rogers Center, and Rogers Arena are all far too similar for my liking.

yukoner88 02-17-2014 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Tarus (Post 80032609)
I don't much care about the arena name, but I do wish they had called it Rogers Colosseum or something to differentiate it more from Vancouver and Toronto's arenas.

Rogers Place, Rogers Center, and Rogers Arena are all far too similar for my liking.

I'd imagine Katz wants to stay away from anything that could be similar/connected to Northlands so I doubt we see anything called Coliseum under his ownership.

Roger's Stadium would be better too

Groucho 02-17-2014 04:05 AM

But its an arena, and not a stadium.

Tarus 02-17-2014 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by yukoner88 (Post 80032713)
I'd imagine Katz wants to stay away from anything that could be similar/connected to Northlands so I doubt we see anything called Coliseum under his ownership.

Roger's Stadium would be better too

I don't think it creates any kind of real link to Northlands, Coliseum is more identifiable with the franchise than the former Oiler's partner.

Arena/Place/Center(already can't remember which is Edmonton's without googling it) is purely generic with absolutely nothing memorable about it, an unimaginative corporate name at best. Roger's Coliseum -whether paying homage to Northlands Coliseum or the later Edmonton Coliseum- has far more relation to the city and franchise's history.

It's just wishful thinking though, they aren't changing it at this point.

OilChuck 02-17-2014 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by okgooil (Post 80025895)
So any one know the details of the surrounding developments? Is the Edmontontonian just purposed or is going to go ahead?

Its the real deal. Ive been approached about this project already. Not for sure....they are doing more work on this then you would normally see from a pie in the sky concept. Doesn't Katz have another major project to announce this spring?

yukoner88 02-17-2014 08:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tarus (Post 80033325)
I don't think it creates any kind of real link to Northlands, Coliseum is more identifiable with the franchise than the former Oiler's partner.

Arena/Place/Center(already can't remember which is Edmonton's without googling it) is purely generic with absolutely nothing memorable about it, an unimaginative corporate name at best. Roger's Coliseum -whether paying homage to Northlands Coliseum or the later Edmonton Coliseum- has far more relation to the city and franchise's history.

It's just wishful thinking though, they aren't changing it at this point.

Fine then Roger's Forum :laugh:

Unfortunately the company sponsored names are here to stay and after X amount of years, said company can try to renew or relinquish the deal, which means we'll see lots of name changes in a lifetime. Its a quick cash grab that we can't stop. You are right though, it would be nice to see something more creative than "Place, Arena, Centre."


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