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Ageless 02-24-2014 01:30 AM

Crosby a clutch player?
 
Is crosby officially a clutch player?. 2 gold medal games 2 crucial goals.

illpucks 02-24-2014 01:37 AM

Nope. 1st goal was a fluke and a very stoppable shot from Miller, he saves that 99 out of 100 times. 2nd goal was a bad giveaway by the only non-NHL player on Sweden. That doesn't make Crosby clutch. If he was clutch he would have scored vs Boston when his helmet got knocked off in overtime. He played much better in that OT than the Gold Medal game but couldn't deliver. THAT would have been clutch. These 2 occasions he got lucky or very favorable breaks. Lebron sealing a 2 point lead with a 3 pointer with 0.1 seconds is clutch. Crosby is not even close with those plays.

SERE 24 02-24-2014 01:38 AM

Sure. Crosby shows up when it matters. People love to whine about him not producing in the tournament because he's not showing up on paper. I watched all the games and Crosby was looked dangerous and very involved in all of them. He stood out as a threat in every game, which I can't say of any other forward. Haters will look at box scores and create a statistical argument to preach otherwise though.

SERE 24 02-24-2014 01:40 AM

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Originally Posted by illpucks (Post 80417055)
Nope. 1st goal was a fluke and a very stoppable shot from Miller, he saves that 99 out of 100 times. 2nd goal was a bad giveaway by the only non-NHL player in on Sweden. That doesn't make Crosby clutch. If he was clutch he would have scored vs Boston when his helmet got knocked off in overtime. He played much better in that OT than the Gold Medal game but couldn't deliver. THAT would have been clutch. These 2 occasions he got lucky or very favorable breaks. Lebron sealing a 2 point lead with a 3 pointer with 0.1 seconds is clutch. Crosby is not even close with those plays.

Jonathan Ericsson is an NHL player buddy, and Jonathan Ericsson made the turnover. He had an abysmal game. His brother, Jimmie, is not in the NHL and played a lot better than him.

leeaf83 02-24-2014 01:41 AM

He's produced in big games at every level. He's also won games at every level other than the memorial cup (but did turn around that Rimouski team to a QMJHL champion).

I Hate Chris Butler 02-24-2014 01:41 AM

He's no Toews.

LeighDx13 02-24-2014 01:46 AM

Todays goal wasn't as important in the big picture, especially compared to 2010. Had Sweden scored a goal today you could make an arguement for it being an important goal. Toews goal was way more clutch and important today being the game winner.

chunkylover53 02-24-2014 01:46 AM

Bergeron was with Crosby in the WJCs and was the MVP of that tournament.
Bergeron was on the 2010 team with Crosby.
Bergeron was on the 2014 team and on the same line as Crosby.
When it was Bergeron against Crosby, he got completely shut out in the playoffs.



CLEARLY it's ALL Bergeron. Crosby is just a product of Bergeron and rides his coattails. Clearly. :naughty:

ALSO: Bergeron healthy, Boston wins the cup. Bergeron plays hurt and not at 100%, Boston lets in goals and fail to win.

Bergeron is the greatest player and most important to winning.

Ronaldo 02-24-2014 02:08 AM

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Originally Posted by illpucks (Post 80417055)
Nope. 1st goal was a fluke and a very stoppable shot from Miller, he saves that 99 out of 100 times. 2nd goal was a bad giveaway by the only non-NHL player on Sweden. That doesn't make Crosby clutch. If he was clutch he would have scored vs Boston when his helmet got knocked off in overtime. He played much better in that OT than the Gold Medal game but couldn't deliver. THAT would have been clutch. These 2 occasions he got lucky or very favorable breaks. Lebron sealing a 2 point lead with a 3 pointer with 0.1 seconds is clutch. Crosby is not even close with those plays.

You only mentioned one player, do you even read what you post? Constant garbage being spewed about bar none the best player in the sport.

bullocks 02-24-2014 02:09 AM

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Originally Posted by illpucks (Post 80417055)
Nope. 1st goal was a fluke and a very stoppable shot from Miller, he saves that 99 out of 100 times. 2nd goal was a bad giveaway by the only non-NHL player on Sweden. That doesn't make Crosby clutch. If he was clutch he would have scored vs Boston when his helmet got knocked off in overtime. He played much better in that OT than the Gold Medal game but couldn't deliver. THAT would have been clutch. These 2 occasions he got lucky or very favorable breaks. Lebron sealing a 2 point lead with a 3 pointer with 0.1 seconds is clutch. Crosby is not even close with those plays.

That was Jonathan Ericsson, but sure keep babbling on :shakehead

bullocks 02-24-2014 02:10 AM

Only player that can shut down Crosby in "clutch" moments is Zetterberg ;)

See: 08 and 09 finals.

CanucksSayEh 02-24-2014 02:13 AM

His playoff stats are gaudy, and he has a pair of gold medal game goals.

Nawwwwwwwwwww.

Beau Knows 02-24-2014 02:20 AM

Golden Goal, great goal against Sweden, 2 Gold Medals, 1 Cup, 5th fastest to 100 career playoff points.

leafsfuture 02-24-2014 02:26 AM

Hes the best player on the planet, its easier to be clutch when you are just better than everyone else

TAnnala 02-24-2014 02:28 AM

Yes, but not any more clutch than most star players. But he isn't some kind of disappointment in big games, like some wan't us to believe.

Lonny Bohonos 02-24-2014 02:33 AM

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Originally Posted by LeighDx13 (Post 80417259)
Todays goal wasn't as important in the big picture, especially compared to 2010. Had Sweden scored a goal today you could make an arguement for it being an important goal. Toews goal was way more clutch and important today being the game winner.

Toews did in fact get the game winner but was it clutch? It was in the first period. Not what I would define as clutch.

Having said that what Crosbys goal did despite not being the GWG was give Canada some much needed breathing room in a game that can change on a dime.

Both Toews and Crosby played well despite not getting a ton of points and both came through when it mattered most.

To two great players: :handclap:

hitmen19 02-24-2014 02:37 AM

no ovechkin is clutch, no wait malkin is clutch, no wait kessel is clutch, no wait parise is clutch, no wait steen is clutch, no wait kane is clutch, no wait selanne is clutch, actually selanne is clutch. ok Crosby is no selanne. happy? :sarcasm:

TAnnala 02-24-2014 02:46 AM

We often tend to idolize our favorite players and give them labels they necessary don't deserve.

Crosby is the best player on planet and he can handle the pressure as much as the next star-player. He is not historically good in big games, nor is he bad. He is just Crosby.

Players who "step it up" in the big games get a lot of credit in NA. Which I find kind of stupid. For example:
Fedorov, the guy was definitely money on playoffs. And he gets a lot of praise from it. But the fact is that he was not playing over his abilities in the playoffs, he was playing under his abilities in regular season. The guy gets treated as a god for taking 80% of the time he works lightly? :huh:

But this is about Crosby. He is as clutch as any regular star player. Not shining in the spot but not laying much eggs either.

VMBM 02-24-2014 03:02 AM

He was good in the SF, and he was very good in the final; (finally) scored a goal and he had a hand in the 3rd goal too, even if it was 'unassisted'. So in this tournament, he was 'pretty clutch', although never hugely dominant.

I don't know how clutch he is in the bigger picture, but he does not seem to be a choker, either.

SenatorArmy 02-24-2014 03:07 AM

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Originally Posted by illpucks (Post 80417055)
Nope. 1st goal was a fluke and a very stoppable shot from Miller, he saves that 99 out of 100 times. 2nd goal was a bad giveaway by the only non-NHL player on Sweden. That doesn't make Crosby clutch. If he was clutch he would have scored vs Boston when his helmet got knocked off in overtime. He played much better in that OT than the Gold Medal game but couldn't deliver. THAT would have been clutch. These 2 occasions he got lucky or very favorable breaks. Lebron sealing a 2 point lead with a 3 pointer with 0.1 seconds is clutch. Crosby is not even close with those plays.

so It's always the fault of the other players never credit to Crosby huh? Crosby caught Miller off guard & today he just plain undressed Lundqvist. Don't forget who caused the giveaway. Guys like Crosby & Toews not only are clutch but they do all the little things you never notice while people like you refuse to ever give them credit

Monsieur 02-24-2014 03:11 AM

Crosby has been clutch for years.

Lonny Bohonos 02-24-2014 03:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SenatorArmy (Post 80418393)
so It's always the fault of the other players never credit to Crosby huh? Crosby caught Miller off guard & today he just plain undressed Lundqvist. Don't forget who caused the giveaway. Guys like Crosby & Toews not only are clutch but they do all the little things you never notice while people like you refuse to ever give them credit

:handclap: to the bolded.

Beef Invictus 02-24-2014 04:40 AM

Crosby hasn't proven to be all that "clutch" in international tournaments, tending to show up in a game or two. His last few NHL Playoff performances haven't really been "clutch" either...but how much of that is on his coach and GM, and the realities of a capped league?

But...meh. I don't really buy into the concept of "clutch." I've seen too many stats that show it doesn't really exist, and given enough sample size the high stakes game production tends to resemble closely the regular game production.

Where Crosby might suffer is that his playstyle is perfect for the NHL, but doesn't seem to translate to International Play. Whether or not that's a negative is a matter of opinion. Clearly, I don't think that affects his status as an NHL player, but 20 years from now it's worth taking into account for his "overall global" status. He's one player where it may be worth ranking as NHL, and then ranking separately as all-time.

jekoh 02-24-2014 04:55 AM

Being "clutch" or not is mostly coincidental. It's simply down to chance that a player scores in the final and doesn't score in the semi-final rather than the other way around.

SenatorArmy 02-24-2014 04:58 AM

Crosby's so clutch he refuses to drive anything with an automatic transmission


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