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JackJ 03-04-2014 12:34 PM

Flyers - Leafs
 
:flyers
Jake Gardiner (RFA)
Cody Franson (RFA)

:leafs
Nicklas Grossman
Braydon Coburn

EDIT: Removed the conditional pick. Franson is an RFA.

Roo Mad Bro 03-04-2014 12:35 PM

Coburn is too important to the team.

Garbage Goal 03-04-2014 12:39 PM

Is Franson an RFA or UFA? If RFA I'd actually do that deal as a Flyers fan.

joepeps 03-04-2014 12:39 PM

RFA... I wouldn't do this as a leafs fan...

WTFMAN99 03-04-2014 12:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Garbage Goal (Post 80944493)
Is Franson an RFA or UFA? If RFA I'd actually do that deal as a Flyers fan.

Yes he's an RFA

thinkinfeller 03-04-2014 12:41 PM

Seems like it would be another in a long line of Leafs experiments on the blueline. Not a good fix.

northstarnicky 03-04-2014 12:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joepeps (Post 80944591)
RFA... I wouldn't do this as a leafs fan...

I would do this deal. Not bad at all. leafs may have to add a 3rd or 4th round pick regardless tho.

Basically, it would be like adding a better Tim Gleason type Dman and another dman like Tim Gleason with maybe a bit more foot speed. Both block shots and can log important minutes. Definitely an upgrade on OUR porous defense. Gotta cost something to pick up those two. Plus we are not giving up any young forwards.

JackJ 03-04-2014 12:47 PM

EDIT: Removed the conditional pick. Franson is an RFA.

joepeps 03-04-2014 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by northstarnicky (Post 80944867)
I would do this deal. Not bad at all. leafs may have to add a 3rd or 4th round pick regardless tho.

Basically, it would be like adding a better Tim Gleason type Dman and another dman like Tim Gleason with maybe a bit more foot speed. Both block shots and can log important minutes. Definitely an upgrade on OUR porous defense. Gotta cost something to pick up those two. Plus we are not giving up any young forwards.

why lose 2 ODM?

JackJ 03-04-2014 12:52 PM

Leafs might have to add a prospect: MacWilliam might be of interest?

so:

Jake Gardiner (RFA)
Cody Franson (RFA)
A. MacWilliam - (23 yr - LD - Height 6.02 -Weight 230) http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/stats/p...php?pid=112349

for

Nicklas Grossman
Braydon Coburn

WTFMAN99 03-04-2014 12:53 PM

I don't think Coburn or Grossman can play the right side which is an issue...leaves us with really only Phaneuf who plays the right side, but he's a left shot.

FourthLineGoon 03-04-2014 12:54 PM

As a Flyers fan... i might actually do this.

JackJ 03-04-2014 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joepeps (Post 80945775)
why lose 2 ODM?

Phaneuf & Rielly are the long term solutions for backend offence.

Flyers POV: Once Timonen retires only Streit is capable of putting up points.

Raymoondo 03-04-2014 12:58 PM

How can we get Giroux?

dilbert719 03-04-2014 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymoondo (Post 80946685)
How can we get Giroux?

Wait until he retires and hire him as your coach.

joepeps 03-04-2014 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackJ (Post 80946493)
Phaneuf & Rielly are the long term solutions for backend offence.

Flyers POV: Once Timonen retires only Streit is capable of putting up points.

so you would trade 2 young O Dmen for 2 30 year old D dens?

thank god your not our GM... if your going to do that please make the Ddmen better than grossman.. Although BC is good not worth Jake and Cody

gabeliscious 03-04-2014 01:07 PM

grossman is not the answer.

i would be interested in coburn but why would philly want to move him? is he not their best defenseman who isnt pushing 40. i thought he was a gunnarson type?

northstarnicky 03-04-2014 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joepeps (Post 80947115)
so you would trade 2 young O Dmen for 2 30 year old D dens?

thank god your not our GM... if your going to do that please make the Ddmen better than grossman.. Although BC is good not worth Jake and Cody

The two D Dmen are a considerable upgrade on what we have. Its gonna cost something dude. Not what you want to get rid of, but players the Flyers actually need. That is why you are not a GM. This is a solid proposal that helps both teams. Granberg can move the puck, Percy and Finn as well. Reilly can move the puck a little from what I hear. :sarcasm:

seanlinden 03-04-2014 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackJ (Post 80944007)
:flyers
Jake Gardiner (RFA)
Cody Franson (RFA)

:leafs
Nicklas Grossman
Braydon Coburn

EDIT: Removed the conditional pick. Franson is an RFA.

Take out Grossman and Franson... Leafs don't need to make such a monumental change.

cheesesteak 03-04-2014 01:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WTFMAN99 (Post 80946001)
I don't think Coburn or Grossman can play the right side which is an issue...leaves us with really only Phaneuf who plays the right side, but he's a left shot.

Coburn has played on the right side most of his time in Philly but he's also a left shot like Phaneuf. The Flyers probably wouldn't do this cause it's a downgrading from Coburn for potential and they're fighting for a playoff spot.

Grossmann for Franson?

JackJ 03-04-2014 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joepeps (Post 80947115)
so you would trade 2 young O Dmen for 2 30 year old D dens?

thank god your not our GM... if your going to do that please make the Ddmen better than grossman.. Although BC is good not worth Jake and Cody

Grossman is a solid bottom pairing D.

Phaneuf Gunnarsson
Coburn Rielly
Grossman Gleason

Perfect D core for Carlyle to work with. As a pair Grossman/Gleason can help us in the playoffs.

Beef Invictus 03-04-2014 01:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Raymoondo (Post 80946685)
How can we get Giroux?

Kessel+ to entice Philly into trading a #1 center they have no replacement for.

Teeder9 03-04-2014 01:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cheesesteak (Post 80947977)
Coburn has played on the right side most of his time in Philly but he's also a left shot like Phaneuf. The Flyers probably wouldn't do this cause it's a downgrading from Coburn for potential and they're fighting for a playoff spot.

Grossmann for Franson?

Absolutely. You'll be wishing later you didn't. Franson puts the "sucks" in "pylon".

northstarnicky 03-04-2014 01:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seanlinden (Post 80947795)
Take out Grossman and Franson... Leafs don't need to make such a monumental change.

I don't think its a monumental change. Its adding two shot blockers (which can translate to an offensive breakout), two with significant dmen with playoff experience.

Our defensive unit is bottom 6 in the league. Gotta add when we can until our Marlies/Junior players are ready, Tom Nilsson from the SEL as well.

Tho I will say that a lot of the issues are related to our wingers not getting back deep in our own zone gettingpuck pressure and players like Kadri trying to cheat up in our own zone. Might be that two veteran dmen might convey that message more than the current dmen (Gardiner & Franson).

Renegade 03-04-2014 01:17 PM

Nah.

Coburn is great but not for those two. Franson plays a very important role with the Leafs. Only RHD, plays 1st unit PP, leads defense in scoring, etc. And I'm not ready to give up on Gardiner yet. He has too much skill to just let go. He's having a down season unfortunately.

Only way I'd trade Gardiner right now is if Couturier or Schenn are coming the other way.


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