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billsandsabres 10-02-2003 10:48 AM

defensive pairings
 
what have the pairings been for the preseason thus far and what is the outlook of the pairings come october 9?
the way i see it is

zhitnik-kalinin
mckee-delmore
campbell/patrick-tallinder

whats the deal?

Kozak72 10-02-2003 11:05 AM

Fitzpatrick should be around too. Its good to have some depth.

LALALALALALAFONTAINE 10-02-2003 11:25 AM

Kalinin cannot play RD. It's unpossible!

billsandsabres 10-02-2003 11:32 AM

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Originally Posted by LALALALALALAFONTAINE
Kalinin cannot play RD. It's unpossible!

so what is the solution?

Rhett4 10-02-2003 12:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by billsandsabres
so what is the solution?


Usually Zhitnik plays RD with Kalinin on the left.

Takeo 10-02-2003 12:53 PM

Kalinin-Zhitnik
McKee-Tallinder
Campbell-Delmore

billsandsabres 10-02-2003 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by JTL
I may shift Tallinder and Delmore...Soup and Andy scare me together. I think whomever are starting goalie is would share in my feelings.

i'll second that one

TheGreatOne99 10-03-2003 07:25 AM

Anyone else think they will just rotate 7? I don't thik Demore will log too many minuets outside of the powerplay.

Takeo 10-03-2003 07:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JTL
I may shift Tallinder and Delmore...Soup and Andy scare me together. I think whomever are starting goalie is would share in my feelings.

But wouldn't pairing Delmore with McKee give him more even-strength ice time in general? That scares me just as much.

billsandsabres 10-03-2003 08:13 AM

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Originally Posted by TheGreatOne99
Anyone else think they will just rotate 7? I don't thik Demore will log too many minuets outside of the powerplay.


do you mean durning the game or game to game rotation?

Puddy 10-04-2003 08:11 AM

Kalinin Zhitnik
Campbell Tallinder
Mckee Delmore

Patrick Fitzpatrick are spares/injury fill ins. They will get lots of time if this year was anything like last season in regards to injuries.

I think that Ruff will keep the ice time fairly even, unless on group stands out. He has enough for 3 solid pairings, and I would optimistically say that Buff has the second best defence group in the division, behind only the Senators. We should be light years ahead of the Leafs and Bruins. Second place in the division should definitely be a reality. Or am I over-estimating this crew?

Mr Brownstone 10-04-2003 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Puddy
Kalinin Zhitnik
Campbell Tallinder
Mckee Delmore

Patrick Fitzpatrick are spares/injury fill ins. They will get lots of time if this year was anything like last season in regards to injuries.

I think that Ruff will keep the ice time fairly even, unless on group stands out. He has enough for 3 solid pairings, and I would optimistically say that Buff has the second best defence group in the division, behind only the Senators. We should be light years ahead of the Leafs and Bruins. Second place in the division should definitely be a reality. Or am I over-estimating this crew?

I see no overestimation Puddy. If Tallinder breaks out as I think he will, we have a highly talented and semi-potent defensive group. If Delmore can score 18 again or more and Zhitnik can hit the net once in a blue moon, we've got a defense capable of 35-40 tallies. It also will help that Alexei is in a contract year.

TheGreatOne99 10-04-2003 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by billsandsabres
do you mean durning the game or game to game rotation?

during the game.

Takeo 10-04-2003 09:23 AM

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Originally Posted by SabresIn05
I see no overestimation Puddy. If Tallinder breaks out as I think he will, we have a highly talented and semi-potent defensive group. If Delmore can score 18 again or more and Zhitnik can hit the net once in a blue moon, we've got a defense capable of 35-40 tallies. It also will help that Alexei is in a contract year.

I am also optimistic about the scoring potential and mobility of the d-corps, but I'm also very concerned about their overall lack of toughness and Campbell and Delmore as defensive liabilities. The PP should be vastly improved, but even strength is another issue.

Mr Brownstone 10-04-2003 09:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeo21
I am also optimistic about the scoring potential and mobility of the d-corps, but I'm also very concerned about their overall lack of toughness and Campbell and Delmore as defensive liabilities. The PP should be vastly improved, but even strength is another issue.

That's a good point about lack of toughness. That was the loss with Warrener. Well, that means Mair will have to help more in the corners, same as Pyatt and Peters. We have a lot of mobility and some good puck movers back there. Campbell can shine on D some nights, but I wouldn't pair Soupy and Delmore, bad theory.

This all equates to one thing, Biron or whoever starts needs to step it up.

Takeo 10-04-2003 10:02 AM

Maybe...

Kalinin-Zhitnik
McKee-Campbell
Tallinder-Delmore

Mr Brownstone 10-04-2003 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeo21
Maybe...

Kalinin-Zhitnik
McKee-Campbell
Tallinder-Delmore

I liked the idea of Tally as a top 4.

Maybe try this.

Zhitnik-Delmore
Kalinin-Tallinder
McKee-Campbell

This way the first D pairing provides solid Zhitnik plus scoring punch, and Delmore who can move the biscuit. The 2nd provides the stalwart Kalinin with breakout candidate Tallinder. The third provides lurpy McKee the chance to stay back while Campbell rushes up ice. Sure it gives Delmore a lot of ice time, but it will also force Lindy to cut down Alex's workload as our season will be at least 2 weeks longer this year (playoffs!).

Takeo 10-04-2003 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by SabresIn05
I liked the idea of Tally as a top 4.

Maybe try this.

Zhitnik-Delmore
Kalinin-Tallinder
McKee-Campbell

This way the first D pairing provides solid Zhitnik plus scoring punch, and Delmore who can move the biscuit. The 2nd provides the stalwart Kalinin with breakout candidate Tallinder. The third provides lurpy McKee the chance to stay back while Campbell rushes up ice. Sure it gives Delmore a lot of ice time, but it will also force Lindy to cut down Alex's workload as our season will be at least 2 weeks longer this year (playoffs!).

Sorry, but there is no way in hell Delmore gets paired with Zhitnik. Theoretically, you're pairing our #1 and #6 d-men. Delmore was acquired as a PP specialist in the first place! Ruff needs to exploit his strengths (PP) and at the same time minimize the chances of getting burned by his weaknesses (D). #1 pairing ice-time is not the strategy for this.

If you want McKee in the 3rd pairing and Tallinder top 4, I'd go with...

Kalinin-Zhitnik
Campbell-Tallinder
McKee-Delmore

Now I think I've proposed every imaginable combination so I guess I'm just not sure. :rolly:

Mr Brownstone 10-04-2003 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Takeo21
Sorry, but there is no way in hell Delmore gets paired with Zhitnik. Theoretically, you're pairing our #1 and #6 d-men. Delmore was acquired as a PP specialist in the first place! Ruff needs to exploit his strengths (PP) and at the same time his minimize the chances of getting burned by his weaknesses (D). #1 pairing ice-time is not the strategy for that.

If Delmore is so damn bad on defense why isn't he just a forward then who can play the point on the PP? Any way you look at it Delmore will be exposed often enough this year. As least Zhitnik would be able to save him more than any other defenseman on this team. I personally don't think McKee is quick enough to cover Delmore's mistakes. That would then force:

Kalinin-Zhitnik
McKee-Campbell
Tallinder-Delmore

And still McKee could possibly, if Campbell is caught and can't get back, be SOL. I think the way I set it up would be the most balanced ability wise. I understand you're point of Delmore with #1 pairing ice time, but this would force Ruff to balance the workload between all 3 defensive pairings. Zhitnik still gets his 23 or 24 a game with PK and PP, keeping Delmore around 18. McKee and Campbell around 18 or 19 each. Tallinder and Kalinin, the best all around pairing could shoulder the burden more so this way. Maybe you are right and I'm just wishfully thinking that Delmore isn't as bad defensively as advertised, but I think that Zhitnik in a contract year could hold up his responsibilities and Delmore's blown ones.

Takeo 10-04-2003 10:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SabresIn05
If Delmore is so damn bad on defense why isn't he just a forward then who can play the point on the PP?

That's been discussed...


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