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Justified 04-20-2014 08:46 AM

Miscellaneous NHL Talk XVI (Playoff Edition)
 
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Yesterday was fun to watch.

healthyscratch 04-20-2014 09:33 AM

LoD91: There wasn't going to be a penalty until they realized Backes was sleeping. Backes is hunched over and his head is level with Seabrook's shoulder, he drove through the player and didn't leap into his head. There's also some responsibility on the player by leaving himself vulnerable. Other than interference I don't see anything wrong with that hit. And the refs didnt either until Backes stayed down.

LegionOfDoom91 04-20-2014 09:49 AM

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Originally Posted by healthyscratch (Post 83726901)
LoD91: There wasn't going to be a penalty until they realized Backes was sleeping. Backes is hunched over and his head is level with Seabrook's shoulder, he drove through the player and didn't leap into his head. There's also some responsibility on the player by leaving himself vulnerable. Other than interference I don't see anything wrong with that hit. And the refs didnt either until Backes stayed down.

Backes was slightly hunched over not enough to place blame on him, it still would have been a high hit if he was in a full upright position. The puck was also a pretty good distance away from Backes. Seabrook was going for the kill shot & did so, he has to let up there. You could have called that a charge, interference, boarding, or a hit to head penalty.

I don't care how long it took the refs to make the call so long as it's the correct call & the refs got it right there.

dookie88 04-20-2014 09:57 AM

GKJ: Seabrook was not one of the Blackhawks taunting Backes. I noticed Toews and Keith. Seriously how ****ed up do you have to be to do that?

Beef Invictus 04-20-2014 10:08 AM

Yeah that was unbelievable

healthyscratch 04-20-2014 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by LegionOfDoom91 (Post 83727307)
Backes was slightly hunched over not enough to place blame on him, it still would have been a high hit if he was in a full upright position. The puck was also a pretty good distance away from Backes. Seabrook was going for the kill shot & did so, he has to let up there. You could have called that a charge, interference, boarding, or a hit to head penalty.

I don't care how long it took the refs to make the call so long as it's the correct call & the refs got it right there.

Was this hit much different?:


LegionOfDoom91 04-20-2014 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by healthyscratch (Post 83728353)
Was this hit much different?

I would need to see it from another angle & a slowed down paced to tell. The video doesn't give you much to have an opinion either way.

healthyscratch 04-20-2014 10:42 AM

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Originally Posted by LegionOfDoom91 (Post 83728487)
I would need to see it from another angle & a slowed down paced to tell. The video doesn't give you much to have an opinion either way.

http://video.flyers.nhl.com/videocen...sole?id=564508

SnS 04-20-2014 10:45 AM

The Seabrook hit was disgusting.

Principal contact was to the head. Just disgusting.

LegionOfDoom91 04-20-2014 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by healthyscratch (Post 83728775)

The principal point of contact is the chest so no it's not, Carcillo also had the puck on his stick a split second before the hit as where Backes never had the puck on his stick & the puck was a good distance away from him.

Carcillo's head was up at the last split second but he still wasn't in a full upright position & Rinaldo still avoided head contact. Carcillo also wasn't nearly as close to the boards compared to Backes.

I don't see the comparison here.

SAINDON 04-20-2014 10:54 AM

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Originally Posted by dookie88 (Post 83727467)
GKJ: Seabrook was not one of the Blackhawks taunting Backes. I noticed Toews and Keith. Seriously how ****ed up do you have to be to do that?

Toews is a great player but a puss. He didn't do a thing when Couts shoved him to the ice.

healthyscratch 04-20-2014 11:22 AM

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Originally Posted by LegionOfDoom91 (Post 83729141)
The principal point of contact is the chest so no it's not, Carcillo also had the puck on his stick a split second before the hit as where Backes never had the puck on his stick & the puck was a good distance away from him.

Carcillo's head was up at the last split second but he still wasn't in a full upright position & Rinaldo still avoided head contact. Carcillo also wasn't nearly as close to the boards compared to Backes.

I don't see the comparison here.

Oh come, on you didn't see Zac's elbow hit Carcillo's chin?! Stop it, it was a similar hit but because he got knocked out everyone's screaming.

LegionOfDoom91 04-20-2014 12:19 PM

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Originally Posted by healthyscratch (Post 83730381)
Oh come, on you didn't see Zac's elbow hit Carcillo's chin?! Stop it, it was a similar hit but because he got knocked out everyone's screaming.

Not the initial point of contact & I just gave a bunch of examples as to why it wasn't similar. It was similar in the sense that both were big hits but that's about where it ends. Carcillo knew at a certain point that the hit was coming even if it was at the last second & bailed out. Backes on the other hand didn't have the privilege & rightfully so since he never had the puck nor was it even close to him. The onus was completely on Seabrook to let up & he didn't now he's going to sit a few games.

Anyway I guess me & every other national analyst is out to lunch on this one because I haven't seen one yet defend this hit but Mike Milbury who also did a complete 180 today by changing his stance from victim blaming Backes to saying Seabrook should get the max 5 games.

chinatown81592 04-20-2014 01:34 PM

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Renaud Lavoie ‏@renlavoietva 4m

#blackhawks Brent Seabrook suspension: 3 games. #nhl #tvasports
Seems about right. Milbury thought it would've been a 5 game suspension.

Curufinwe 04-20-2014 02:16 PM

It should have been five.

Backes will be very lucky if he isn't out for weeks.

nevermore 04-20-2014 02:38 PM

The 2014 Playoffs, were we see more penalties called than in the regular season. At least it feels like it.

sobrien 04-20-2014 02:41 PM

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healthyscratch
Shouldn't have been anything more than 2 minutes for interference. Penalizing the outcome is a joke.
cmon. Elbow leads, left his feet, puck was away from Backes, head was principal point of contact. Seabrook did NOTHING right...and I like both Seabrook AND Backes.

healthyscratch 04-20-2014 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by sobrien (Post 83745513)
cmon. Elbow leads, left his feet, puck was away from Backes, head was principal point of contact. Seabrook did NOTHING right...and I like both Seabrook AND Backes.

Elbow leads and left his feet??? What are you watching?

His elbow is tucked to his body and he doesn't leave his feet. Am I blind? Backes is crouched down a little bit leaving his head level with Seabrook's shoulder.

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/b...BonBackes2.gif

Curufinwe 04-20-2014 04:35 PM

You can't target the head like that whether you use the elbow or the shoulder.

sobrien 04-20-2014 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by healthyscratch (Post 83753499)
Elbow leads and left his feet??? What are you watching?

His elbow is tucked to his body and he doesn't leave his feet. Am I blind? Backes is crouched down a little bit leaving his head level with Seabrook's shoulder.

http://cdn.fansided.com/wp-content/b...BonBackes2.gif

You can still tuck your elbow and strike with it, Seabrook did it. And while I won't back off "left his feet", "launching himself" would be a better description.

I watched your gif and still saw everything I mentioned in the previous post. You may indeed be blind :laugh:

dookie88 04-20-2014 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Beef Invictus (Post 83727769)
Yeah that was unbelievable

I remember 3 or 4 years ago during pretty much every broadcast there was talk about "respect amongst players" and how the lack of it is a real threat etc.

I mean, it doesn't get a lot more disrespectful than what Toews did.

healthyscratch 04-20-2014 04:55 PM

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Originally Posted by sobrien (Post 83754409)
You can still tuck your elbow and strike with it, Seabrook did it. And while I won't back off "left his feet", "launching himself" would be a better description.

I watched your gif and still saw everything I mentioned in the previous post. You may indeed be blind :laugh:

Ok so now he launched himself but his skates didn't leave the ice until the contact caused his skates to come off the ice. The 7 on his sleeve hit Backes in the nose, and the 7 isn't on his elbow.

This hit is no different than most every hit Zac Rinaldo throws.

sobrien 04-20-2014 04:59 PM

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Originally Posted by healthyscratch (Post 83755255)
Ok so now he launched himself but his skates didn't leave the ice until the contact caused his skates to come off the ice. The 7 on his sleeve hit Backes in the nose, and the 7 isn't on his elbow.

This hit is no different than most every hit Zac Rinaldo throws.

I said I wasn't revoking the "feet off the ice" argument. They still were. He launched himself at Backes' head.

PALE PWNR 04-20-2014 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by healthyscratch (Post 83755255)
Ok so now he launched himself but his skates didn't leave the ice until the contact caused his skates to come off the ice. The 7 on his sleeve hit Backes in the nose, and the 7 isn't on his elbow.

This hit is no different than most every hit Zac Rinaldo throws.

If Rinaldo threw that hit he'd be suspended for 30+ games and ripped apart by every single member of the media. Watch his left skate prior to making contact, you cannot see it clearly in that gif as Keith obstructs the view, but he does leave his feet and clearly targets the head. It doesn't matter whether its an elbow or not.

LegionOfDoom91 04-20-2014 05:12 PM

The league actually only slapped him for Charging & Interference, they made no mention of targeting the head but they very well could have but that would have also resulted in more games if they tacked that on as well.

They gave him the Charging because they claimed he came along way & the Interference they deemed Backes never had possession of the puck & the puck wasn't even close to him, they placed the onus on Seabrook & claimed he could have let up seeing as Backes was vulnerable.


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