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The G Man 09-02-2005 08:02 AM

Battlestar Galactica
 
Anybody watch it on the SciFi channel? Last year it was arguably the best frackin' TV series out there. Period. Season II at times has shown signs of losing a little something off the fastball, but the last 2 or 3 weeks in particular have been great.

mmbt 09-02-2005 11:25 AM

Good show, I started watching towards the end of season 1. It's a bit too gritty, though ... there's virtually zero sense of humor. Does anyone ever crack a smile on that show?

Douggy 09-02-2005 11:52 AM

I'm listening to Battlestar Scralatchtica right now.

The G Man 09-02-2005 01:17 PM

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Good show, I started watching towards the end of season 1. It's a bit too gritty, though ... there's virtually zero sense of humor. Does anyone ever crack a smile on that show?

Hey, mankind is down to 50,000 survivors ... this aint the time for crackin' jokes, skippy!

Des Louise 09-02-2005 01:24 PM

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Hey, mankind is down to 50,000 survivors ... this aint the time for crackin' jokes, skippy!

Exactly, it's not a comedy show. I don't have a problem with that.

I just watched all the episodes during the last week or so. Great TV show. I really like it.

Character development is awesome and since I don't really like stand alone episodes and that there aren't any in this show, this also contributes to make the show better for me. I hope it won't go downhill from here, hopefully not.

PredsFan77* 09-02-2005 01:37 PM

One of the writers on Conan was on it, good comedy that Conan guy has.

mmbt 09-02-2005 01:52 PM

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Exactly, it's not a comedy show. I don't have a problem with that.

It's just kind of jarring is all, considering the original show had a much more optimistic tone.

Des Louise 09-02-2005 03:11 PM

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It's just kind of jarring is all, considering the original show had a much more optimistic tone.

I can understand why people who watched the old one feel that way altough I never watched it. But they tried doing it another way, more seriously, there are still some funny moments. Most scenes with Gaeus Baltar are quite funny.

But in the end what matters is that you have to view it as a completely different entity than the original. If you can do that, I'm sure you mind it a lot less. I can't relate but I know that has a new fan, I didn't have expectations on that point so I wasn't disapointed.

I don't know, it's as if you said the latest Batman with Christian Bale was too serious compared to the 60ies show. It's something different.

Firefly 09-02-2005 09:43 PM

I had begun watching the mini series and season 1 DVDs, but they were bumped in favor of my purchase of the Firefly DVD set. BSG is a great show, and I can't wait to get back to finishing the first season but Firefly has me under it's spell 100%.

Chileiceman 09-02-2005 09:45 PM

Wasn't this a show that the mormons made like in the 70's

Burke's Evil Spirit 09-02-2005 09:51 PM

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I don't know, it's as if you said the latest Batman with Christian Bale was too serious compared to the 60ies show. It's something different.

Exactly. The original show was a total crapfest and I'd much rather have the current iteration instead of idiocy like the casino planet and Hector and Vector.

The G Man 09-02-2005 10:36 PM

Sadly, I think the original series has stigmatized the new one. Folks are thinking its just this goofy, campy fluff when in reality it's one of the grittiest, rivetting shows in years. That first season is some of the finest televison I can recall seeing.

FLYLine24 09-02-2005 11:15 PM

Just got around to watching last fridays BG, wow...what an ep. One of the best this season, now they finally know for 100% that there is Earth and they have a direction to go to get there. I say the season finale for season 3 they find it ;)

Ironchef Chris Wok* 09-25-2005 10:56 PM

Did anybody watch the "Summer Finale" last week?

HOLY KRAP. This show aint for kids I tell you that.

Winger98 09-26-2005 02:47 PM

An incredible show. I didn't catch any of the first season, but have been entirely hooked on the second season.

Toonces 09-26-2005 08:08 PM

The show is a Masterpeice.

I actually have to dissagree with you G Man, I feel the show has gotten better this season. I'm a sucker for heavy charecter development so that could be what I'm feeling.

I was a big fan of the origional, and I was concerned when they announced they were going to re-make it, but I was so wrong. It's dark, edgey, and full of Philosophy and Religion. It's a brilliant peice of fiction.

People really shouldn't compare the two shows because they are really entirely seprate entities, sharing a simmilar concept.

Ironchef Chris Wok* 09-28-2005 01:17 PM

Anybody want to discuss the show at length? Like Details?

I love the show, but how coudl they cast that guy as Lee Adama?

I think Edward Almos does an AWESOME job as Old dude Adama, but Olmos is HISPANIC, and they find the Whitest man ON EARTH to play his SON.

CHareth 10-04-2005 11:08 PM

I loved the original Battlestar Galactica as a kid, but when I watch it now it's utterly painful (except for the opening music score, the Viper launch sequences and the babes, a la Maren Jensen and a young Dr. Quinn Medicine Woman). The new show is one of the best dramas I've seen since Oz and makes the original look even sillier. I find it kind of funny that some of the diehard fans of the original (you know, the still living in their parents' basements types) strongly opposed (and still oppose) the new show. Some people are just idiots. This new series is not without its flaws, but overall it is really good. It's not often you see a show that cares about its stories in this manner. The post 9/11 influence is pretty evident in some of these episodes, but there is no political preachiness about any of it.

As I watch the series, the darkness of it doesn't seem to let up. You can almost sense that the apocalyptic undercurrent of the show is depressing the actors - not just the fictional fleet or even the audience - which I find good in a way, as some of the actors are weak and could use some edge to their acting. So far, I like the darkness and grit of the show, but I imagine that the depressing storyline will depress audiences in the long run. That would be a shame because it really is an excellent drama.

A few weak points. The casting of a woman as Starbuck (in the original 70s version, Starbuck was a womanizing boozer and gambler) caused plenty of outrage among the parents' basement gang. It doesn't bother me one bit, except that the actress who now plays Starbuck is pretty lousy at times. It's when she tries to mimic other "macho" performances that she becomes entirely unbelievable and painful to watch. The scenes where she chomps on cigars like the old Starbuck did or struts around as a cocky cool guy with the leather aviator jacket and sunglasses a la Tom Cruise in Top Gun is just incredibly annoying. Give me a frackin' break. Nobody is buying the tough guy routine. When she is not overdoing it with the macho act, she is otherwise very good in the role. The new Boomer, on the other hand, just sucks throughout. She really needs some acting lessons, but even those wouldn't help make her more believable as a military aircraft pilot. She was miscast, in my opinion. Lee Adama was also miscast, as he is actually wussier than the original Apollo, if you can believe it. I don't know if the new show tried to get more women into these roles on purpose to counterbalance some of the male-chauvanist stereotypes of the old show, but if so, then I have to wonder why the attractive Asian and Black women have to get white male love interests in the new show or why the evil traitor Baltar is - surprise - an Englishman. Some stereotypes die hard, I guess.

Ironchef Chris Wok* 10-05-2005 12:48 PM

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A few weak points. The casting of a woman as Starbuck (in the original 70s version, Starbuck was a womanizing boozer and gambler) caused plenty of outrage among the parents' basement gang. It doesn't bother me one bit, except that the actress who now plays Starbuck is pretty lousy at times. It's when she tries to mimic other "macho" performances that she becomes entirely unbelievable and painful to watch. The scenes where she chomps on cigars like the old Starbuck did or struts around as a cocky cool guy with the leather aviator jacket and sunglasses a la Tom Cruise in Top Gun is just incredibly annoying. Give me a frackin' break. Nobody is buying the tough guy routine. When she is not overdoing it with the macho act, she is otherwise very good in the role.

I actually like the whole Apollo/Starbuck relationship. I think there's a lot more tension and drama now that one of them doesn't have a set of testicles, that being Apollo.

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The new Boomer, on the other hand, just sucks throughout. She really needs some acting lessons, but even those wouldn't help make her more believable as a military aircraft pilot. She was miscast, in my opinion.
NOBODY DISSES AN ASIAN ACTRESS ON MY WATCH. Especially a young hot one like Grace Park. I wish they just didn't write the "Sharon is a cylon" thing. I really do. She's the one character I am just SAD to see a cylon.

However, I think that's what the producers wanted. They want the audience to WANT Sharon to be good... and hopefully she'll redeem herself in the end. Before that happens, I'm just going to assume they had to put a human face on betrayal and evil, and it was more convenient to put an Asian face on it, and then justify her continued existence on the show by having her sleep with multiple White characters on the show.

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Lee Adama was also miscast,
Yeah, I wonder how that happened. Somehow, Adama, played by a Hispanic man (Olmos... what a fantastic actor) has the most Whitebread dude for a son I have EVER SEEN. It is RIDICULOUS.

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as he is actually wussier than the original Apollo, if you can believe it.
Out of all the "good guy" characters, Apollo is easily the largest tool. Helo second.

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I don't know if the new show tried to get more women into these roles on purpose to counterbalance some of the male-chauvanist stereotypes of the old show, but if so, then I have to wonder why the attractive Asian and Black women have to get white male love interests in the new show
Amen.

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or why the evil traitor Baltar is - surprise - an Englishman. Some stereotypes die hard, I guess.
I don't think he's evil. Not by one bit. Misguided if you will.

Also, other tidbids
1) Nikki Clyne as Cali: IMO the hottest female character on the show. I thought that tidbit about her signing up to pay for dental school hilarious. Cali and Dee really put a face on the enlisted crew of Galactica.

I think it was a mistake for the writers for Cali to "kill" one of the Sharons. The character had potential to be sort of the "innocence and moral" character of Galactica (as they tried to do in the season finale with her conversation to Adama about the chief), but she can no longer be that since, well, she shot somebody in cold blood, even though it was a cylon, it was still a morally ambiguous move.

2) Dee needs a bigger role on the show other than telephone operator and again, love interest for an useless White Man. The character was clearly written to be smart and tough, so use it.

3) I'm so sick of Gaeta being the CIC biotch. Again, minorities are only good for broken computers and FTL Jumps where Basic Math Skills Whtie people don't have are needed

4) They need to develop a new peripheral military character that doesn't have to do with the "main plot" of Cylons and Prophecies and stuff. Hotdog is easily the best candidate since he's the most recognizable recurring character, but I'd like to see a Marine maybe.

5) I bet you they're going to kill off Tyrol. I mean, why bring on "Larry", somebody who's perfectly capable of replacing Tyrol's skillset?

saba 10-05-2005 03:25 PM

Wow good thread guys. Let me add a couple of things that bother me. First is the trailer that scifi uses where Lee Adama replies to the your not fit to wear that uniform and he says neither are you. I find this whole story arc which blessfully was addressed in the season 2 finale but which I find irksome. Command and control is essential in a case like this but everybody bends the rules to his/her liking and insuburdintion is frequent. I know the writers wish to show as some would say how "real people" would act in such as situation but nobodies impertinent actions seem to cost anything-got problems with that I do
Rossyln lord this woman is the same character in everything she does and I have zero/zip no connection to her character or plight
Third Admiaral Roe guess the Maqui were done with her, anyway another angle of womanhood. Lets see we got the warrior/Starbuck, the mother/Rossyln, so now the diabolical *****/Admiral, meanwhile every man on the show is unsure of himself or his actions. Kobol-Lt ?ordered a bad assult, Helo(my man) unsure of his feelings, Adama crying like a ***** asking Sharon why????etc...ad nauseam..How bouts some balance people
And finally for the love of all that is holy can we please develop the zylons as a real threat, even bad guys/toasters need some motivation and reasons why we should dislike them. How exciting was the episode where the zylons had boarded Galactica huh? Instead its more in house fighting which yawn is getting a little stale

Discuss

CHareth 10-05-2005 05:41 PM

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I actually like the whole Apollo/Starbuck relationship. I think there's a lot more tension and drama now that one of them doesn't have a set of testicles, that being Apollo.

I like the new tension. I think it's excellent. My beef is with Starbuck's occasional lapse into mimicking-a-tough-guy mode that I find really unwatchable. When she's in normal mode, I find her to be very well cast indeed - a great balance between a strong, independent felgercarb disturber with a genuine vulnerability. She has some very poignant acting moments, and the writing allows her to bring a lot more to the character than Dirk Benedict was able to do with his hollow Starbuck (albeit, he did an outstanding job with the little he had to work with). The fact that she's a bit butchy looking also helps convince you that she is a tough cookie. I just wish she would stick to normal mode more often and not try to act tougher or cooler than she is because it just looks so awkward - kind of like a nerd trying to overcompensate and brag about all the chicks he supposedly scored with. No one buys it, and it's embarrassing.

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NOBODY DISSES AN ASIAN ACTRESS ON MY WATCH. Especially a young hot one like Grace Park. I wish they just didn't write the "Sharon is a cylon" thing. I really do. She's the one character I am just SAD to see a cylon.
I saw a Maxim photo spread she was in and thought she looked pretty hot too. Good makeup, lighting, and skimpy clothes can do that. In the show, without all the sexy accoutrements she looks average. I doubt I'd turn my head if I saw her on the street. But I could care less about whether she's hot or not though. I find her to be far too petite for one thing, and it's her below average acting that ultimately gets me. The scenes where she is caressing the newly acquired Cylon Raider is so cheesy. She also tends to overdo it with the facial expressions. Although she is Korean Canadian, I have to wonder whether she picked up her acting lessons in Korea, which could explain her poor skills.

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Yeah, I wonder how that happened. Somehow, Adama, played by a Hispanic man (Olmos... what a fantastic actor) has the most Whitebread dude for a son I have EVER SEEN. It is RIDICULOUS.
Olmos is unbelievable. I actually wasn't expecting much from him, but the man does an absolutely incredible job. Wow! I don't really care about Lee being whiter than cotton. I just wish he was a better actor. The new Apollo character is so much more complex than Richard Hatch's Apollo. He's conflicted, tortured, insecure, confused about his feelings for Starbuck and all that jazz. A good actor would make this character awesome to watch. With this guy, though, you just want the next scene to start.

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I don't think he's [Baltar's] evil. Not by one bit. Misguided if you will.
Wrong choice of words. He is certainly not the traditionally evil character, but indeed he is portrayed as a traitor. I just shook my head when he spoke his first lines and I heard that English accent. Ah yes, the traitor is an Englishman.

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Dee needs a bigger role on the show other than telephone operator and again, love interest for an useless White Man. The character was clearly written to be smart and tough, so use it.
I actually think she is one of the better supporting actors on the show, and I wouldn't mind seeing them do more with her character, especially if there is a more sinister or unpleasant side to her. That's one of the things about this show - every human is a bit of a fracking jerk deep down and has certain frailties or vices. For example, I like how the happy go lucky Colonel Tigh from the original has been transformed into a drunken hardass with a soft spot for destructive women.

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I'm so sick of Gaeta being the CIC biotch. Again, minorities are only good for broken computers and FTL Jumps where Basic Math Skills Whtie people don't have are needed
LOL. I think most of the minorities were sent(enced) to Earth and not the other 12 colonies. Just curious, where are the brothas on this show? Is Dee the only black person to have survived the Cylon attack?

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They need to develop a new peripheral military character that doesn't have to do with the "main plot" of Cylons and Prophecies and stuff. Hotdog is easily the best candidate since he's the most recognizable recurring character, but I'd like to see a Marine maybe.
Hotdog would be good. They already killed off his fellow replacement pilot, the loser Asian male, correct? I wouldn't mind seeing more of Richard Hatch. He's actually a much better actor than he used to be in the 70s. I think the two and a half decades of living in complete obscurity has given him a real edge to his acting.

Ironchef Chris Wok* 10-06-2005 10:11 AM

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it's her below average acting that ultimately gets me. The scenes where she is caressing the newly acquired Cylon Raider is so cheesy. She also tends to overdo it with the facial expressions. Although she is Korean Canadian, I have to wonder whether she picked up her acting lessons in Korea, which could explain her poor skills.

I thought you were going to say something about an unplausible situation where an Asian woman can DRIVE a spaceship competently. But I digress.

I think for a new young actress she's not bad. The part wasn't that greatly written anyway.

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Olmos is unbelievable. I actually wasn't expecting much from him, but the man does an absolutely incredible job. Wow! I don't really care about Lee being whiter than cotton. I just wish he was a better actor. The new Apollo character is so much more complex than Richard Hatch's Apollo. He's conflicted, tortured, insecure, confused about his feelings for Starbuck and all that jazz. A good actor would make this character awesome to watch. With this guy, though, you just want the next scene to start.
The actor is bloody terrible. I agree.

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For example, I like how the happy go lucky Colonel Tigh from the original has been transformed into a drunken hardass with a soft spot for destructive women.
I've only seen bits and pices of the original show.

I'm not saying Adama isn't a 'tough old bird" or anything, but Adama/TIgh kind of serves as good cop/bad cop eh?

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LOL. I think most of the minorities were sent(enced) to Earth and not the other 12 colonies. Just curious, where are the brothas on this show? Is Dee the only black person to have survived the Cylon attack?
Dude, the marine guard guarding Roslin was Black! And the priestess who stepped on a landmine! They were a token Black presence!

(Wait, I think the planet of people taht believe in the prophecy and are religious or whatever are all Black... not sure.)

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Hotdog would be good.
Racetrack (Leah Cairns) would be another good one IMO.

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They already killed off his fellow replacement pilot, the loser Asian male, correct?
His call sign was CHUCKLES. It's SO BAD. They might as well called him "sliteye".

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I wouldn't mind seeing more of Richard Hatch. He's actually a much better actor than he used to be in the 70s. I think the two and a half decades of living in complete obscurity has given him a real edge to his acting.
Ha

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Command and control is essential in a case like this but everybody bends the rules to his/her liking and insuburdintion is frequent. I know the writers wish to show as some would say how "real people" would act in such as situation but nobodies impertinent actions seem to cost anything
I think the writers want to put the audience at a dilemma. The Pegasus crew is technically and legally correct while morally bankrupt. Galactica is more of a spit and polish loosely organized technically incorrect ship but not morally bankrupt.

CHareth 10-06-2005 11:24 AM

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Dude, the marine guard guarding Roslin was Black! And the priestess who stepped on a landmine! They were a token Black presence!

Oh right, a black security guard - who would have thought? Is the black spiritual leader supposed to be like Jesse Jackson or Sharpton or something? Meh.

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Racetrack (Leah Cairns) would be another good one IMO.
I wouldn't mind more of storyline for Kat. The actress reminds me of Vasquez in Aliens, and it might be cool to see her doing some more butt-kicking in the show.

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His call sign was CHUCKLES. It's SO BAD. They might as well called him "sliteye".
LOL. It could be worse. Just think seven years of the emasculated, geeky, awkward-with-the-gals Harry Kim. At least these people had the courtesy of killing off Sliteye early on. Anyway, I'll stop nitpicking at the issue of race in casting. It's certainly not as bad as Star Wars.

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I think the writers want to put the audience at a dilemma. The Pegasus crew is technically and legally correct while morally bankrupt. Galactica is more of a spit and polish loosely organized technically incorrect ship but not morally bankrupt.
I haven't seen the new show's Pegasus episode yet, but this sounds a little bit like what they tried to do in the original show when the fleet found Pegasus. Of course, I expect the Ron Moore version to be a lot darker and well written, unlike the unbelievably bad writing and predictability of the original. I'm not sure if I'm cool with the rather young Ensign Ro playing Commander Cain (or Kane?), but I suppose it can't be any worse than the godawful job done by Lloyd Bridges in the 1978 version. Does the new show's Cain also have a pilot daughter named Sheba with a large rack but poor acting skills?

Ironchef Chris Wok* 10-06-2005 12:03 PM

1. It's Admiral Kane, it's a woman, she's a hardass, and she has no daughter that Apollo can bone.

2. How many episodes until Roslin dies?

Riddarn 10-06-2005 12:18 PM

Meh. They should remake Buck Rogers instead.


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