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Fenway 07-27-2014 04:44 PM

Red Kelly on To Tell The Truth (1963)
 



Hockey Hall-of-Famer Red Kelly makes an appearance as a contestant on a TV game show "To Tell The Truth" in 1963.

Toronto has not won the Cup since he retired in 1967.

Killion 07-27-2014 05:24 PM

^^^ Ha! Thats fun Fenway. Thanks for posting it. Apparently Red wasnt the first hockey player to appear on the show; Jean Beliveau back in 1957. Little bit surprising the celebrity guest & the 2 fakes werent hidden behind a curtain or left behind the Panelists as youd think that perhaps one of them at least would immediately recognize the genuine article. There was a sort of copycat show done by CBC in Canada called Front Page Challenge, same type of format, though the guest with the 2 pretenders hidden from the panelists. It started airing in 1957 & ran through until thre 1990's. Gordie Howe, a number of players over 30+ years guests.... As for Red Kelly, he actually defeated none other than Alan Eagleson in that Toronto area Riding, Eagleson running for the Conservatives, Kelly the Liberals.

LeBlondeDemon10 07-27-2014 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Killion (Post 88429511)
As for Red Kelly, he actually defeated none other than Alan Eagleson in that Toronto area Riding, Eagleson running for the Conservatives, Kelly the Liberals.

This just made my day. ;)

Killion 07-27-2014 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by LeBlondeDemon10 (Post 88432603)
This just made my day. ;)

... well, hate ta be a Debbie Downer LBD but did you think about what mightve' been avoided had Eagleson won?.... possibly reelected and maybe spent his career in politics?... instead of what he did do?.... how it all couldve possibly been avoided?..... gone to Ottawa instead where he prolly woulda wound up starting WW3?..... ok. maybe not. But you get the idea.

LeBlondeDemon10 07-27-2014 08:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Killion (Post 88432721)
... well, hate ta be a Debbie Downer LBD but did you think about what mightve' been avoided had Eagleson won?.... possibly reelected and maybe spent his career in politics?... instead of what he did do?.... how it all couldve possibly been avoided?..... gone to Ottawa instead where he prolly woulda wound up starting WW3?..... ok. maybe not. But you get the idea.

He'd be a Mike Duffy back in the days when a Mike Duffy could get away with being a Mike Duffy.

Concordski 07-27-2014 10:34 PM

Killion's already discussed the details of Red Kelly's brief tenure in the House of Commons. Extremely strange story which you'll never see again. An NHL hockey player serving in Parliament while an active player--and as a Liberal no less. :P

And yes, it was at the tail-end of his career, but some tail-end regardless of the fact that he basically had two jobs.

I have access to the Toronto Star archives through my University, I should do more research on the topic, alas I wouldn't be able to link to the articles because ProQuest doesn't really allow that.

mbhhofr 07-27-2014 11:24 PM

$250.00 and a carton of Salem Cigarettes. :handclap:

Killion 07-27-2014 11:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Concordski (Post 88435401)
Killion's already discussed the details of Red Kelly's brief tenure in the House of Commons. Extremely strange story which you'll never see again. An NHL hockey player serving in Parliament while an active player--and as a Liberal no less....

Ya it is an interesting story & not without precedent. Howie Meeker served two years (won a by-election, Conservative, Waterloo South Riding) in Parliament in the early 50's also while playing for the Leafs. Red Kelly was sort of recruited as a "Star Candidate" and worked on a number of Committee's after getting elected. He asked for & received permission from Imlach, Stafford Smythe et al and was given the green light to run, provided it didnt interfere with his ability to show up for games & practices etc. Apparently pretty hectic, an awful lot of travel, and his wife gave birth to a couple of kids during that period to top it all off. Never missed a game due to his MP duties but some close calls apparently. Like arriving 5 minutes before a puck drop. Because of who he was (multi-time All Star etc) Imlach cut him a lot of slack. Didnt freak on him the way he did for far less on say a Brewer or Baun.

Conn Smythe still had an office at Maple Leaf Gardens & sort of kept an eye on things including the players, busying himself with charities, thoroughbred racing & breeding, special projects & so forth one of which was leading the charge against Liberal Prime Minister Lester Pearson who wanted to replace the Red Ensign with a "new" Canadian flag to be unveiled in 1967, Canadas Centennial Year. Was quite the hotly debated issue for several years. Canada had fought in 2 World Wars and other hot zones under that flag & 10's of 1000's dying under it. Was the symbol, emblem of the country. Old Soldiers & Conservative traditionalists were enraged. Didnt help matters that the design concepts being floated were beyond pathetic. So as Red Kelly tells it, whenever Conn Smythe saw him at the Gardens he'd bend his ears inside out over his Liberal parties plans to mess with Canadas flag & emblem, but that he was always a Gentleman about it.... lots of interesting stories about Red Kelly, "Helmet" issue etc...

Concordski 07-27-2014 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Killion (Post 88436813)
Ya it is an interesting story & not without precedent. Howie Meeker served two years (won a by-election, Conservative, Waterloo South Riding) in Parliament in the early 50's also while playing for the Leafs. Red Kelly was sort of recruited as a "Star Candidate" and worked on a number of Committee's after getting elected. He asked for & received permission from Imlach, Stafford Smythe et al and was given the green light to run, provided it didnt interfere with his ability to show up for games & practices etc. Apparently pretty hectic, an awful lot of travel, and his wife gave birth to a couple of kids during that period to top it all off. Never missed a game due to his MP duties but some close calls apparently. Like arriving 5 minutes before a puck drop. Because of who he was (multi-time All Star etc) Imlach cut him a lot of slack. Didnt freak on him the way he did for far less on say a Brewer or Baun.

Conn Smythe still had an office at Maple Leaf Gardens & sort of kept an eye on things including the players, busying himself with charities, thoroughbred racing & breeding, special projects & so forth one of which was leading the charge against Liberal Prime Minister Lester Pearson who wanted to replace the Red Ensign with a "new" Canadian flag to be unveiled in 1967, Canadas Centennial Year. Was quite the hotly debated issue for several years. Canada had fought in 2 World Wars and other hot zones under that flag & 10's of 1000's dying under it. Was the symbol, emblem of the country. Old Soldiers & Conservative traditionalists were enraged. Didnt help matters that the design concepts being floated were beyond pathetic. So as Red Kelly tells it, whenever Conn Smythe saw him at the Gardens he'd bend his ears inside out over his Liberal parties plans to mess with Canadas flag & emblem, but that he was always a Gentleman about it....

I did not know about Howie Meeker. It appears as though he did not play as much upon his election to the House of Commons, whereas Red Kelly was able to do both (I assume he didn't have a perfect Ottawa attendance record, but no one ever does).

And yes, star candidates are a thing, but star candidates are now usually retired NHL players, sons of politicians, news anchors, public intellectuals and MuchMusic VJs. Times have changed. Active NHL players in parliament have gone the way of the SoCreds.

Killion 07-28-2014 12:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Concordski (Post 88436955)
And yes, star candidates are a thing, but star candidates are now usually retired NHL players...

Ya, quite right, and quite a few retired players involved in politics in Canada, the US, Europe & Russia. Thomas Steen for example, long time WHA/NHL Jet, Councilman in Winnipeg.

Concordski 07-28-2014 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Killion (Post 88437159)
Ya, quite right, and quite a few retired players involved in politics in Canada, the US, Europe & Russia. Thomas Steen for example, long time WHA/NHL Jet, Councilman in Winnipeg.

Thomas Steen even ran for parliament, but he didn't do too well. Ken Dryden was probably the best example before he lost in 2011.

LeBlondeDemon10 07-28-2014 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Concordski (Post 88437347)
Thomas Steen even ran for parliament, but he didn't do too well. Ken Dryden was probably the best example before he lost in 2011.

FYI - Steen is now on a LOA due to being charged with a domestic related assault.

Killion 07-28-2014 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LeBlondeDemon10 (Post 88443069)
FYI - Steen is now on a LOA due to being charged with a domestic related assault.

.... :facepalm: oh great.... anyhoo. Politics & hockey no strangers. Jagr with his #68; Jiri Slegr & other greats in the Czech Republic pursuing political careers post hockey; ditto with a number of them in Russia & elsewhere.


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