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sunb 10-08-2005 03:33 PM

Maxime Ouellet
 
Is it true that Washington placed him on waivers yesterday and he went unclaimed?

If so, he is pretty valueless right now, which is surprising since the HF staff has always considered him a top 50 prospect.

Porn* 10-08-2005 03:42 PM

Wow... hopefully the Leafs grab him :D

I'm shocked!


edit: link? he's still on the capitals roster/farm

mikefavata 10-08-2005 03:50 PM

It's probally more of the fact that if they claimed him he'd have to be on the pro team. It's not like someone could claim him and send him down. At this point he's clearly not good enough to be anyone (not even the Capitals) backup.

But yea, Ouellet's pretty much a bust at this point.

Nuclear 10-08-2005 03:53 PM

Props go to Bobby Clarke when deserved

EroCaps 10-08-2005 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jovanovski = Norris
Is it true that Washington placed him on waivers yesterday and he went unclaimed?

If so, he is pretty valueless right now, which is surprising since the HF staff has always considered him a top 50 prospect.

It's sad if true that the Caps have soured so quickly on Ouellet. He had a dominate year in the AHL a couple years ago but looked unfocused last year and bad in camp.

Ouellet&Semin.

:banghead:

Darth Milbury 10-08-2005 04:45 PM

so much for that one-sided Oates deal, eh? Caps wound up getting exactly nothing in return for Oates.

Spooky371* 10-08-2005 04:57 PM

Washington Capitals traded Adam Oates to the Philadelphia Flyers for Maxime Ouellet, a 1st (later traded to Dallas - Martin Vagner), a 2nd (Maxime Daigneault) and a 3rd (Derek Krestanovich) round selections in 2002.

Absolutly. Someone know what Caps receive for the 1st round pick ?

Brad* 10-08-2005 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Milbury
so much for that one-sided Oates deal, eh? Caps wound up getting exactly nothing in return for Oates.

I'm not ready to completely write off Ouellet. I mean guys, he's only 24. On the other hand, I think with the talent level he was supposed to have, he should have an NHL team by now at least as a backup.

But then again, I can see your point. If he doesn't pick it up, that trade might not have been so one sides at all. Niittymaki's rapid development to franchise goalie level, combined with Ouellet's stagnant development made him expendable, it seems.

Winston Wolf 10-08-2005 06:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Spooky371
Absolutly. Someone know what Caps receive for the 1st round pick ?

They moved up in the draft and picked Semin.

Drake1588 10-08-2005 06:57 PM

...who is still a Capitals property and a top-six winger. Seems to me that's something, albeit not a help in this (tanking) year. To argue Washington received nothing out of the deal is a puzzling conclusion.

It would certainly be accurate to say that Ouellet has no trade value, however. Passed through waivers and now in the minors. Cut and dry.

Darth Milbury 10-08-2005 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Brad
I'm not ready to completely write off Ouellet. I mean guys, he's only 24. ie.

Absolutely true.

Darth Milbury 10-08-2005 07:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake1588
...who is still a Capitals property and a top-six winger. Seems to me that's something, albeit not a help in this (tanking) year.

It would certainly be accurate to say that Ouellet has no trade value, however. Passed through waivers and now in the minors. Cut and dry.

The same argument that Brad made for Ouellet also holds for Semin. We should all be a long, long way from writing him off.

mikefavata 10-08-2005 07:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake1588
...who is still a Capitals property and a top-six winger. Seems to me that's something, albeit not a help in this (tanking) year. To argue Washington received nothing out of the deal is a puzzling conclusion.

It would certainly be accurate to say that Ouellet has no trade value, however. Passed through waivers and now in the minors. Cut and dry.

Actually, the fact he passed waivers boosts his trade value. Now the Capitals could trade him to another team and the recieving team could just stick him on the farm. Same with how Leighton was traded after clearing waivers.

mrv52 10-08-2005 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Winston Wolf
They moved up in the draft and picked Semin.


Really the trade ended up nothing for nothing. Oates would most certainly been gone at the end of the year anyway.

With the magnitude of the Caps rebuild I am not so sure this is that much of an issue. Ouellete made it through waivers, who knows he might be able to turn it around.

Drake1588 10-08-2005 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Darth Milbury
The same argument that Brad made for Ouellet also holds for Semin. We should all be a long, long way from writing him off.

Absolutely. The chances are strong that Semin is back in the NHL in the next couple of years, probably by next year. That alone should be well worth a rental/pending UFA from Washington's point of view.

mrv52 10-08-2005 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Drake1588
Absolutely. The chances are strong that Semin is back in the NHL in the next couple of years, probably by next year. That alone should be well worth a rental/pending UFA from Washington's point of view.

Maybe. But are the Caps willing to put up with him?

By most accounts he was quite a handfull in the locker room.

Darth Milbury 10-08-2005 08:40 PM

I have to admit that I was being a little unfair about the Oates deal either way. The CAPs did get a lot of return for Oates and the fact that those picks didn't amount to much (yet) does not change that. I think I tend to take shots at the Oates deal because my buddy Burro often uses it as justification for his outrageous estimates of Witt's market value.

Drake1588 10-08-2005 08:47 PM

Absolutely valid. There are some homers who continue to insist that the Caps fleeced the Flyers, and that the deal was terrible for the Flyers. I think it was a very smart trade that filled an immediate need heading into the playoffs for Philly. Good move at the time for Clarke, who is highly underrated as a GM, in my opinion.

It can still be a deal that pays dividends for the Caps in the long run, though. Semin's going to come back, in time. They also have Maxime Daigneault percolating as a goalie prospect in the minors (the second rounder from that trade).

Darth Milbury 10-08-2005 08:49 PM

Makes sense to me. And, as I've said, I'm a long, long way from wanting to write Semin off. I still project him as top six forward.

Kirk Muller* 10-08-2005 10:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Milbury
so much for that one-sided Oates deal, eh?

I always felt it was a not bad trade for Philadephia. At the time of it, they were in desperate need of attack and Oates was the #5 pointscorer in the NHL.

Mothra 10-09-2005 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by mrv52
Maybe. But are the Caps willing to put up with him?

By most accounts he was quite a handfull in the locker room.

source?

GoneFullHextall 10-09-2005 07:29 PM

Maxime Ouellet would never be claimed off waivers, because who ever claims him would have to put him on the pro roster. If they dont back on waivers he goes.

Brodeur 10-10-2005 03:58 PM

A few years ago, Mathieu Garon cleared waivers, but he worked his way back, and now is the "#1" for the Kings.

A guy like Daniel Briere cleared waivers once and he admitted that was a huge wakeup call for him. To that point, he'd been dogging it, assuming his natural talent would be enough to earn an NHL paycheck. To his credit, he worked hard and realized his potential.

Drake1588 10-10-2005 04:49 PM

Ouellet can certainly rebound from this and return to become a viable NHL goaltender. For the purposes of this board, however, it is also fair to say that he does not presently have any trade value.

It's only worth mentioning because many posters have the tendency to toss players just passed through waivers into trade proposals. Ron Hainsey is only the most recent example. A player passing through waivers in the last month or so isn't going to have trade value... though that player can certainly have a renaissance and come back in later days as an NHL player. No doubt of that.

Mothra 10-10-2005 05:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake1588
Ouellet can certainly rebound from this and return to become a viable NHL goaltender. For the purposes of this board, however, it is also fair to say that he does not presently have any trade value.

It's only worth mentioning because many posters have the tendency to toss players just passed through waivers into trade proposals. Ron Hainsey is only the most recent example. A player passing through waivers in the last month or so isn't going to have trade value... though that player can certainly have a renaissance and come back in later days as an NHL player. No doubt of that.

I agree....but someone said earlier that passing thru waivers might increase value, seeing how they dont have to pass thru again. It makes sense that Max wasnt claimed. Correct me if I am wrong but whatever team would have claimed him would have had to use him as their backup.....or waive him in order to send him down to their farm club....and the process starts again

seeing how at that point most teams were set in goal...it makes sense that he wasnt claimed. Im willing to bet most if not all teams would like to have him in their system....but at the risk of playing him when he is not on his game, or blowing up their current goaltenting situations.....I can see why he went cleared


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