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Dark Knight 11-12-2005 02:40 PM

Toronto/Washington Proposal
 
To Toronto - Alexander Semin

To Washington - Antropov, Colaiacovo , 4th rd pick.

It Kills Me 11-12-2005 02:52 PM

Thank god Witt isn't in this.

Dark Knight 11-12-2005 02:54 PM

Semin has been a headache for Washington.

Antropov can be a great 2nd line C, an ok 1st line C...and Colaiacovo did not look out of place at all against Tampa. He just needs a chance and with Quinn around i just dont see it happening. :(

Darth Milbury 11-12-2005 02:55 PM

This is a rather novel proposal. I've personally never seen a Leaf fan propose a deal involving Antropov and/or Colaiacovo

OrrNumber4 11-12-2005 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDdY
Semin has been a headache for Washington.

Antropov can be a great 2nd line C, an ok 1st line C...and Colaiacovo did not look out of place at all against Tampa. He just needs a chance and with Quinn around i just dont see it happening. :(


:biglaugh:

MM425 11-12-2005 03:27 PM

Isnt Semin playing in Russia and hasn't shown any interest in playing in the NHL at all in the near future and has even basically ingnored and breached his contract?

He's a good player when he wants to be... but even as an anti-leaf fan... they get hosed on this. An OK top 6 forward... a defenceman that has decent upside but has been given no chance in the NHL and a moderately high draft pick for a guy who doesn't want to play in the NHL? Thats a bit much if you ask me...

Dark Knight 11-12-2005 03:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mackattack
Isnt Semin playing in Russia and hasn't shown any interest in playing in the NHL at all in the near future and has even basically ingnored and breached his contract?

He's a good player when he wants to be... but even as an anti-leaf fan... they get hosed on this. An OK top 6 forward... a defenceman that has decent upside but has been given no chance in the NHL and a moderately high draft pick for a guy who doesn't want to play in the NHL? Thats a bit much if you ask me...

I never knew he didnt want to play for the NHL. I thought he was just in a grudge with the Capitals.

borro 11-12-2005 03:45 PM

Regardless of talent, we don't need an underacheiver like Antropov who is soft and oft-injured. Antropov's value is a 5th or 6th in my mind. I don't believe Toronto has the young talent it would take. Maybe Steen and Cola and your 1st.

AlMo 11-12-2005 04:01 PM

I think the Caps may reject the deal just because they have far better young players than these two. already in their system.

From the Leafs point of view I don't know if I want guy who is holding out after one year in the NHL.

Captain Conservative 11-12-2005 04:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Milbury
This is a rather novel proposal. I've personally never seen a Leaf fan propose a deal involving Antropov and/or Colaiacovo


Its why I keep coming back to these boards.

Lobstertainment 11-12-2005 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Darth Milbury
This is a rather novel proposal. I've personally never seen a Leaf fan propose a deal involving Antropov and/or Colaiacovo

I don't know if I should laugh or cry.

Drake1588 11-12-2005 08:29 PM

The Capitals' GM was interviewed during the intermission today, and reiterated that they want him back, think he's a stellar talent, and are working towards that end. Whether that happens this season or not is a good question.

Really, though, it's not like Washington is going to achieve anything this season, with or without Alexander Semin on their roster. Why the rush? If it doesn't get squared away until the Summer/Fall, then so what? All that happens is they get an extra year of his entry-level contract pushed back.

DocHolliday 11-12-2005 09:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borro
Regardless of talent, we don't need an underacheiver like Antropov who is soft and oft-injured. Antropov's value is a 5th or 6th in my mind.

Come on. Honestly now. Maybe you don't like the leafs, but 29yr old Nathan Perrott with a grand total of seven career points just fetched a 5th/6th round pick.

wasting time 11-12-2005 09:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DocHolliday
Come on. Honestly now. Maybe you don't like the leafs, but 29yr old Nathan Perrott with a grand total of seven career points just fetched a 5th/6th round pick.

And he does not fight when he supposed to, yet he is an enforcer. But when he does fight he gets smoked. JFJ should get a bronze statue in front of the ACC for that one.

borro 11-13-2005 02:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DocHolliday
Come on. Honestly now. Maybe you don't like the leafs, but 29yr old Nathan Perrott with a grand total of seven career points just fetched a 5th/6th round pick.

I don't like Antropov's style, oft injured, under performing. I would rather take a chance on a guy like Kolanos on waivers. Right now Klepis is playing well and projects as a top 6 talent. Antropov has been given years and is not there yet. I don't add him for any reason. Right now, he maybe could be our second or third line center. We are playing for the future, not now. Semin projects as a #2 forward and maybe #1 on some teams. Cola is devalued in my mind too. I just don't see a Semin deal without VAST overpayment. I don't see anyone who would do that so he stays in my mind.

txpd 11-13-2005 02:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Drake1588
The Capitals' GM was interviewed during the intermission today, and reiterated that they want him back, think he's a stellar talent, and are working towards that end. Whether that happens this season or not is a good question.

Really, though, it's not like Washington is going to achieve anything this season, with or without Alexander Semin on their roster. Why the rush? If it doesn't get squared away until the Summer/Fall, then so what? All that happens is they get an extra year of his entry-level contract pushed back.

I think you should take anything said by the Capitals management reference to actually wanting Semin back with a case of salt and an eye to what the lawyers tell him to say. The case is that the Caps have been damaged by Semin's refusal to honor his contract. That damage is lessened greatly by the Caps getting value for him in a trade. Doesn't it? It is also lessened greatly if they say Semin is a lying sack of %$#@ and they don't want him back.

The Caps win likely squeeze a nice financial settlement out of court out of the agent and his firm and will then wash their hands of Semin. Who they will then trade when the price is right to a team willing to start a fresh relationship with him.

His relationship with the Capitals is damaged beyond repair. Reading from actual events.
1. Semin was to report to camp along with Sykora and was late because of Visa issues.

2. Semin abruptly changed agents. At that time the new agent informed the Capitals that Semin was not coming.

3. The Capitals sue the agent and the player for breach and damages.

reading between the lines...the first agent after stalling some with the visa problems told the Caps that Semin was not coming. McPhee responded with the lawsuit threat. Knowing it was a losing battle the agent told Semin to report. Semin refused and was dropped by the agent to avoid the suit.

The new agent picked up Semin and the Caps went public that Semin wasn't coming. Then sued as threatened.

It fits all the pieces that are public knowledge. The fact that the NHL and the league's GM's seems in lock step with the Caps seems to indicate that its not an Army thing in Russia or else the agent would not be on the hook.

Porn* 11-13-2005 02:41 PM

hey Maddy... you on crack?

horrid offer.

ATG 11-13-2005 03:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borro
Regardless of talent, we don't need an underacheiver like Antropov who is soft and oft-injured. Antropov's value is a 5th or 6th in my mind. I don't believe Toronto has the young talent it would take. Maybe Steen and Cola and your 1st.

:biglaugh: :biglaugh: Ya that's it I would take Steen over Semin any day of the week what has Semin proved in the NHL. That's right jack ****

Bileur 11-13-2005 03:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by borro
Regardless of talent, we don't need an underacheiver like Antropov who is soft and oft-injured. Antropov's value is a 5th or 6th in my mind.


Oft injured yes. Underacheiver maybe. Soft no, he plays a pretty gritty game getting involved in scrums all the time (being in the center of them alot too).

Worth a 5-6th? :shakehead

richardn 11-13-2005 03:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MaDdY
To Toronto - Alexander Semin

To Washington - Antropov, Colaiacovo , 4th rd pick.

Semin is to much of a gamble to lose two young players and a pick.

Semin could very well be just as average as Antropov. He hasn't proven anything yet.

txpd 11-13-2005 04:20 PM

i really dont expect the leafs to bring home a lot for Antropov. Do you really?
its not like he is a prospect. this is his 6th NHL season with the Leafs. He is a veteran. its far more likely that we have seen what he has to offer than there will be any dramatic improvement in his game.

i just dont think you can peddle him on upside anymore. he is an injury prone 15 goal scorer. he is dainius zubrus. Caps already have Zubrus.

Honestly, if/when Semin is traded look for it to be in a salary managment(dump) trade. a team sends the caps a quality player that they have no cap room for and get a potential star that costs nothing against the cap until they get him on the team.

txpd 11-13-2005 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bileur
Oft injured yes. Underacheiver maybe. Soft no, he plays a pretty gritty game getting involved in scrums all the time (being in the center of them alot too).

Worth a 5-6th? :shakehead

Straight forward question. What would you trade for Dainius Zubrus? Its the same thing. Zubrus will miss 20 games a year with injury and will score 15 goals or so.
Antropov is the same. While he is younger than Zubrus he has had more serious injuries in his history. Thats a wash.

If you think the Caps could get a 2nd or a quality prospect for Zubrus, I would be surprised.

borro 11-14-2005 12:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bileur
Oft injured yes. Underacheiver maybe. Soft no, he plays a pretty gritty game getting involved in scrums all the time (being in the center of them alot too).

Worth a 5-6th? :shakehead

Ottawa has plenty of draft choices. You trade for him! Antropov for Heatley!

Transported Upstater 11-14-2005 12:17 AM

Anytime I see a trade thread that involves Toronto, I can't wait...

Marksman 11-14-2005 06:16 AM

I would be really surpriced to see Semin play in NHL. Didnt he sign some crazy contract with his russian team? Like $2M with all the benefits? NHL team cannot afford to pay that much for unproven player with salary cap in place now.


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