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JrHockeyFan 12-07-2005 08:56 PM

World Jrs: OHL teams keeping guys at home?
 
I am kinda surprised that Wolski and McGrath are not going to be at tryouts camp. What gives?

Any chance these guys were held back by their teams to make up ground in the league points? Wolski in particualr should be there and I am not buying any of that "role playing" crap. Either that or the World Jrs selection group has really dumbed down a lot.

What gives?

CharlieGirl 12-07-2005 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by JrHockeyFan
I am kinda surprised that Wolski and McGrath are not going to be at tryouts camp. What gives?

Any chance these guys were held back by their teams to make up ground in the league points? Wolski in particualr should be there and I am not buying any of that "role playing" crap. Either that or the World Jrs selection group has really dumbed down a lot.

What gives?

No chance in hell that Kitchener and Brampton asked that their players be passed over.

GKJ 12-08-2005 05:33 AM

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Originally Posted by JrHockeyFan
What gives?



Wolski can't score 5 on 5 plain and simple. There are too many other good, young players who can to have a guy on the team who is nothing more than a power play specialist

superjonathan 12-08-2005 11:00 AM

i think, more appropriately, that sentence should read, "Wolski won't score 5 on 5 plain and simple." he's very talented but his effort level has been terrible.

JrHockeyFan 12-10-2005 02:02 PM

I heard that
 
I heard about this "5 on 5 thing". It is similar to complaints about Schremp. I'm not buying.

Peculiar how being successful on the power play is made into a negative.

Sometimes I think the guys picking these Junior teams are not seeing the forest for the trees.

Ex Storm 12-10-2005 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by JrHockeyFan
I heard about this "5 on 5 thing". It is similar to complaints about Schremp. I'm not buying.

Peculiar how being successful on the power play is made into a negative.

Sometimes I think the guys picking these Junior teams are not seeing the forest for the trees.

With Wolski, it really is an effort thing. The criticism that he doesn't score 5 on 5 is fair, he lacks effort. On the PP, it's easy (to a certain extent).

macleafs 12-11-2005 12:43 PM

Who would you take off?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by JrHockeyFan
I am kinda surprised that Wolski and McGrath are not going to be at tryouts camp. What gives?

Any chance these guys were held back by their teams to make up ground in the league points? Wolski in particualr should be there and I am not buying any of that "role playing" crap. Either that or the World Jrs selection group has really dumbed down a lot.

What gives?

Who out of the players on the list that play the same roles as these guys would you take off the roster?

Default101 12-11-2005 10:34 PM

they simply aren't allowed to hold players back at that level

JrHockeyFan 12-13-2005 08:36 AM

Hmmmm
 
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Originally Posted by trippyime
With Wolski, it really is an effort thing. The criticism that he doesn't score 5 on 5 is fair, he lacks effort. On the PP, it's easy (to a certain extent).

I don't know about this effort thing. I don't believe you can play as many games as he did with Colorado without having some kind of work ethic.

Perhaps the measure of effort is a bit tainted by the quality of the players he is playing with? Possible?

JrHockeyFan 12-13-2005 08:58 AM

Well . . .
 
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Originally Posted by macleafs
Who out of the players on the list that play the same roles as these guys would you take off the roster?

For openers there always seems to be a western bias to these rosters. If the players are not from the WHL (13 I believe) they are college players from the west.

Chucko is one guy I would question. He must be some kind of role player because his college scoring is not that great. Half a point a game last year and the same so far this year. Was drafted by Calgary (more Western connections).

hockeyGod 12-13-2005 09:06 AM

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Originally Posted by JrHockeyFan
For openers there always seems to be a western bias to these rosters. If the players are not from the WHL (13 I believe) they are college players from the west.

Chucko is one guy I would question. He must be some kind of role player because his college scoring is not that great. Half a point a game last year and the same so far this year. Was drafted by Calgary (more Western connections).

And by Suttts brother...hmmmmm

superjonathan 12-13-2005 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by JrHockeyFan
Perhaps the measure of effort is a bit tainted by the quality of the players he is playing with? Possible?

no it's definately an effort thing. you can see it in every stride. he looks utterly disinterested in playing for brampton. i don't doubt that his talent level is very high. i just doubt he has the desire to match it (in brampton atleast).

(this is all assuming he hasn't totally altered his attitude in the last 2 weeks cuz i haven't seen him in a couple)

EazyB97 12-13-2005 02:30 PM

Wolski's a guy they had to take a chance on. If they had Crosby, Spezza nad Bouwmeester as 16 year olds playing extremely limited roles, Crosby and Spezza basically only playing PP's, they should have Wolski there. If he is motivated, he can definately help the team. If he isn't, you sit him in the press box infavour of someone who would deserves it more. It's really a no-risk situation having him, they should've talked to him before the camp, told him he's basically **** if he doesn't try, and gone from there.

Ex Storm 12-14-2005 02:15 PM

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Originally Posted by JrHockeyFan
I don't know about this effort thing. I don't believe you can play as many games as he did with Colorado without having some kind of work ethic.

Perhaps the measure of effort is a bit tainted by the quality of the players he is playing with? Possible?

The other thing to consider is that maybe he lacks effort in junior because he's already played pro and knows he could make it anyway?

JrHockeyFan 12-15-2005 09:17 AM

Possible
 
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Originally Posted by trippyime
The other thing to consider is that maybe he lacks effort in junior because he's already played pro and knows he could make it anyway?

I guess that is possible. I can say this though. The Brampton team has never really been a hotbed of emotion any time I watched them.

I gotta think playing WJC would be plenty of motivation for Wolski. He certainly merited a trip to camp. The braintrust this year is just too fixated on Western players. I think they are gonna wish they had some scorers instead of WHL style grinders.


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