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Rob Stauber* 12-26-2005 10:00 PM

Mike Weaver Sucks
 
He's not even good enough to be a 7th defenseman.

I never thought I'd say this but from here on in I'm pledging my allegiance to the Dempsey>Weaver group.

Captain Ron 12-26-2005 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Stauber
He's not even good enough to be a 7th defenseman.

I never thought I'd say this but from here on in I'm pledging my allegiance to the Dempsey>Weaver group.

I wouldn't base it solely on that one play in the first. Because if you looked 2 minutes earlier Dempsey made a bonehead move that was just as bad. At this point I would say Dung > Weaver = Dempsey.

Rob Stauber* 12-26-2005 10:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Spongebob
I wouldn't base it solely on that one play in the first. Because if you looked 2 minutes earlier Dempsey made a bonehead move that was just as bad. At this point I would say Dung > Weaver = Dempsey.


I was Weavers #1 fan after 20 games but he's been HORRIBLE the last 17. He's already had 2 gaffs today. I'm not saying Dempsey's good but basically the lesser of 2 evils..........for now at least. DT should be burning up the phone lines all night looking for a dman.

Captain Ron 12-26-2005 10:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Rob Stauber
I was Weavers #1 fan after 20 games but he's been HORRIBLE the last 17. He's already had 2 gaffs today. I'm not saying Dempsey's good but basically the lesser of 2 evils..........for now at least. DT should be burning up the phone lines all night looking for a dman.

I don't understand why DT called up Grebeshkov only to scratch him in favor of dweedle dee and dweedle dum. Even though Manchester fans might disagree with me Denis cannot be worse than these two guys.IMO.:D

Rob Stauber* 12-26-2005 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Spongebob
Denis cannot be worse than these two guys.IMO.:D



I agree. Cuz if he is, i might go into depression. :propeller

Captain Ron 12-26-2005 10:54 PM

I think the tide has turned again. The San Jose goal in the 2nd was a direct result of a horrible play by Dempsey. Trying to jump at the puck.:shakehead


Weaver > Dempsey once again.

Rob Stauber* 12-26-2005 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Spongebob
I think the tide has turned again. The San Jose goal in the 2nd was a direct result of a horrible play by Dempsey. Trying to jump at the puck.:shakehead


Weaver > Dempsey once again.


go read the new thread i just posted. Grebs better get the call next game.

Miller cant come back fastenough.


Dempsey got beat on the same type of play against phoenix.

Osprey 12-26-2005 11:23 PM

Weaver, Dempsey and Corvo are all equally bad when it comes to turnovers and gaffes. Having all three in one game is just frightening to watch. I really don't know which I'd prefer to keep the puck out of the net. It's like picking your poison at the moment.

Face Wash 12-27-2005 12:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Osprey
Weaver, Dempsey and Corvo are all equally bad when it comes to turnovers and gaffes. Having all three in one game is just frightening to watch. I really don't know which I'd prefer to keep the puck out of the net. It's like picking your poison at the moment.


But at least Corvo contributes offensively and on Special teams... Weaver and Dempsey belong in the "A".

Reaper45 12-27-2005 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Osprey
Weaver, Dempsey and Corvo are all equally bad when it comes to turnovers and gaffes. Having all three in one game is just frightening to watch. I really don't know which I'd prefer to keep the puck out of the net. It's like picking your poison at the moment.

EXACTLY! Where's my pick your poison thread?!

Captain Ron 12-27-2005 01:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Face Wash
But at least Corvo contributes offensively and on Special teams... Weaver and Dempsey belong in the "A".

In Osprey's defense, (did I really say that?) Corvo sometimes plays like he belongs in the "A".

Osprey 12-27-2005 01:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Face Wash
But at least Corvo contributes offensively and on Special teams... Weaver and Dempsey belong in the "A".

I was referring only to their defensive games. Corvo's offensive game is what gives him a pass from some people. For example, Rob created three posts tonight to say that Dempsey and Weaver suck and that Corvo doesn't suck. The problem with that is that the very things that Dempsey and Weaver do to earn his wrath are done just as much by Corvo, but Joe gets a big pass because he contributes offensively. I would take Corvo over Dempsey and Weaver because of overall game, but, speaking strictly defensively and regarding liability, they're all equal in my eyes.

Reaper45 12-27-2005 01:15 AM

True dat Osprey. Just because Jose Cuervo pots the odd goal, his defensive gaffe's are not seen by his cult of evil doers. He's just as bad defensively as Weaver and Dempsey.

And what the hell is wrong with Corvo sometimes, trying to stick handle like he's Pavel Bure, you're a defenseman, get you *** back there with the other defensemen!

Face Wash 12-27-2005 11:41 AM

Look Corvo's a forward playing "D". We all know this. D.A.R.E.'s been saying this for a long time now, I agree with him and most people would. It's the same thing with Darryl Sydor.. The fans boo'd him all the way out the door here in LA... The guy's ended up having a nice career which includes a couple of cups.

I'm not saying Corvo's a defensive stalwart, I'm not even thrilled the Kings employ an ex-felon, but even if the +/- stat is OVERRATED, a +24 means he's doing something right consistently and he's on a pace for about 40 points. He's a pretty slick skater, and he's a very good stick handler, and coming back from a broken nose in the same game he took the puck to the face with just a half face shield to protect it (which he wasn't even wearing in the next game) shows he has some toughness too.

Stop beating the guy up with posts about his play. He's head and shoulders better with the puck than DUMPSEY and TURNWEAVER and better positionally as well.

If you wanna attack Corvo, attack him because he was convicted of attacking a woman in a bar and embarrased himself, the organization, his family and us fans.

But the guy's been very good this year overall.

Kingz4life 12-27-2005 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Face Wash
Look Corvo's a forward playing "D". We all know this. D.A.R.E.'s been saying this for a long time now, I agree with him and most people would. It's the same thing with Darryl Sydor.. The fans boo'd him all the way out the door here in LA... The guy's ended up having a nice career which includes a couple of cups.

I'm not saying Corvo's a defensive stalwart, I'm not even thrilled the Kings employ an ex-felon, but even if the +/- stat is OVERRATED, a +24 means he's doing something right consistently and he's on a pace for about 40 points. He's a pretty slick skater, and he's a very good stick handler, and coming back from a broken nose in the same game he took the puck to the face with just a half face shield to protect it (which he wasn't even wearing in the next game) shows he has some toughness too.

Stop beating the guy up with posts about his play. He's head and shoulders better with the puck than DUMPSEY and TURNWEAVER and better positionally as well.

If you wanna attack Corvo, attack him because he was convicted of attacking a woman in a bar and embarrased himself, the organization, his family and us fans.

But the guy's been very good this year overall.

Very good post but can people just stop bringing up the bar incident? People make mistakes...

Reaper45 12-27-2005 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingz4life
Very good post but can people just stop bringing up the bar incident? People make mistakes...

Mistakes are one thing. Leaving you wallet at home and having your buddy pay the abr tab is a mistake. Forgetting your homework at home is a mistake. But assaulting a woman is not a mistake, and is not something that can be forgotten.

Captain Ron 12-27-2005 02:45 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper45
Mistakes are one thing. Leaving you wallet at home and having your buddy pay the abr tab is a mistake. Forgetting your homework at home is a mistake. But assaulting a woman is not a mistake, and is not something that can be forgotten.

That is like saying OJ Simpson made a mistake and everybody needs to leave him alone.:shakehead

Rob Stauber* 12-27-2005 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Kingz4life
Very good post but can people just stop bringing up the bar incident? People make mistakes...



Exactly get off the man's back and let him live.






By the way, Bertuzzi's suspension should have been longer. That criminal! I'll never let him live it down.

agentfouser 12-27-2005 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper45
Mistakes are one thing. Leaving you wallet at home and having your buddy pay the abr tab is a mistake. Forgetting your homework at home is a mistake. But assaulting a woman is not a mistake, and is not something that can be forgotten.

indeed, assault is a serious crime. however, corvo did submit himself fully to the authorities. i don't recall his sentence, but i do know that he stood trial, and took the punishment alloted to him by a judge. it was probably lighter than many of us would like, but that's hardly his fault. the guy messed up, badly--but he's paid his dues to society.

Kick 12-27-2005 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by agentfouser
indeed, assault is a serious crime. however, corvo did submit himself fully to the authorities. i don't recall his sentence, but i do know that he stood trial, and took the punishment alloted to him by a judge. it was probably lighter than many of us would like, but that's hardly his fault. the guy messed up, badly--but he's paid his dues to society.

Sentence

ILuvLA 12-27-2005 10:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Reaper45
Mistakes are one thing. Leaving you wallet at home and having your buddy pay the abr tab is a mistake. Forgetting your homework at home is a mistake. But assaulting a woman is not a mistake, and is not something that can be forgotten.

:bow:

Osprey 12-28-2005 01:39 AM

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Originally Posted by agentfouser
indeed, assault is a serious crime. however, corvo did submit himself fully to the authorities. i don't recall his sentence, but i do know that he stood trial, and took the punishment alloted to him by a judge. it was probably lighter than many of us would like, but that's hardly his fault. the guy messed up, badly--but he's paid his dues to society.

Sex offenders pay their dues to society, too. Would you be okay with one of them moving next door to your family without your knowledge? There's a reason why serious crimes never leave a person's record. The offenders need to live with it the rest of their life, and live with the public disapproval, as well. Only if/when Corvo gets a lot older and becomes a changed person will it be fitting to forgive and forget what he did in his youth. Until then, he's the same person and the incident tells us something about his personality: he has a temper, is inconsiderate to women and is prone to violence (even against women). That's part of who he is. You can't just ignore it and pretend that he's a great guy once the judicial system is done with him.

When you do something like he did, you have to work your butt off to prove your rehabilitation in order for your crimes to be forgotten. Just fulfilling your sentence isn't nearly enough. You don't get off so easily in most people's books, certainly not mine.

Reaper45 12-28-2005 01:43 AM

If only he'd show that prone to violence side on the rink!

Osprey 12-28-2005 01:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Reaper45
If only he'd show that prone to violence side on the rink!

If he were to and pull a Bertuzzi/McSorley, I think you'd find fewer people willing to let it go so easily. Since it didn't happen on the ice and there's no video replay, however, it becomes more of a theoretical argument and easier to dismiss.

agentfouser 12-28-2005 03:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Osprey
Sex offenders pay their dues to society, too. Would you be okay with one of them moving next door to your family without your knowledge? There's a reason why serious crimes never leave a person's record. The offenders need to live with it the rest of their life, and live with the public disapproval, as well. Only if/when Corvo gets a lot older and becomes a changed person will it be fitting to forgive and forget what he did in his youth. Until then, he's the same person and the incident tells us something about his personality: he has a temper, is inconsiderate to women and is prone to violence (even against women). That's part of who he is. You can't just ignore it and pretend that he's a great guy once the judicial system is done with him.

When you do something like he did, you have to work your butt off to prove your rehabilitation in order for your crimes to be forgotten. Just fulfilling your sentence isn't nearly enough. You don't get off so easily in most people's books, certainly not mine.

sex offenders are a different matter. they are uniquely under-punished, due to poor legislation, are particlurly prone to repeat offenses, and as such are not a suitable analogy.

as for the rest of your post, corvo's criminal record is the ONLY piece of evidence you have regarding his personality, either at present or in the past. hardly enough to say what sort of person he may or may not be, and certainly not enough to judge what sort of rehabilitation he has undergone.

not that i'm hell-bent on defending convicted felons. indeed, i won't continue, other than to note again that he's faced a judge for his crimes, and recieved his sentence (albeit a light one).


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