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trentmccleary 01-16-2006 02:30 PM

Proposal: Ottawa & St.Louis
 
Weight and Weinrich
for
Vermette, Mirnov and a 2nd/3rd round pick.

Ottawa fills their only 2 needs; 2nd line center and veteran bottom pairing d-man.

St.Louis gets 2nd line potential. Vermette is a speedy, 3rd line C/LW, penalty killer and shorthanded breakaway threat who may improve to 2nd liner. Mirnov (or Nikulin or Luttinen) is said to have 2nd line potential and should be challenging for spots in someone's training camp as soon as this fall.

Is it fair?
Would St.Louis want another (more mature) prospect in lieu of the pick (Nikulin, Luttinen, etc)?

bert 01-16-2006 02:30 PM

Switch Pothier for Mirnov and I think its a deal that could very likely happen.

or

Vermette/Bochenski, Varada, Pothier and a 3rd rounder

for

Weight, Drake and Weinrich

Irish Blues 01-16-2006 04:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bert
Switch Pothier for Mirnov and I think its a deal that could very likely happen.

or

Vermette/Bochenski, Varada, Pothier and a 3rd rounder

for

Weight, Drake and Weinrich

I have no interest in Varada, and I don't see the Senators shipping Pothier.

Quote:

Originally Posted by trentmccleary
Weight and Weinrich
for
Vermette, Mirnov and a 2nd/3rd round pick.

:eek: Let's see what Flyers fans want to offer, or if they're going to just concede Weight and Weinrich to the Senators. If they've got nothing better, I'm perfectly happy with this.

BlueBleeder 01-16-2006 04:46 PM

I like the first one better.

Pangu 01-16-2006 04:46 PM

I hate to break it to you, but the Flyers fans may not have the power to actually broker a deal with you. But, I think that the Sens FANS would be happy to send Pothier your way.

Patty Ice 01-16-2006 04:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by trentmccleary
Weight and Weinrich
for
Vermette, Mirnov and a 2nd/3rd round pick.

Ottawa fills their only 2 needs; 2nd line center and veteran bottom pairing d-man.

St.Louis gets 2nd line potential. Vermette is a speedy, 3rd line C/LW, penalty killer and shorthanded breakaway threat who may improve to 2nd liner. Mirnov (or Nikulin or Luttinen) is said to have 2nd line potential and should be challenging for spots in someone's training camp as soon as this fall.

Is it fair?
Would St.Louis want another (more mature) prospect in lieu of the pick (Nikulin, Luttinen, etc)?


Great proposal. Beneficial to both sides.

Captain_Cunney 01-16-2006 05:24 PM

I would really love for the sens to work Varada for Drake (I'd have much more interest in him than Weinrich) into a Weight deal...if it means adding another pick or prospect, so be it.

To Ott:
Weight
Drake
Weinrich

To Stl:
Vermette/Bochenski
Mirinov
Lyamin
varada
Pothier

Basically 3 little deals:
Weight for Vermette/Bo & Mirinov
Weinrich for Pothier
Drake for Varada & Lyamin

I could be way off (take it easy on me) as I have no clue what kind of value Drake and Weinrich carry.... and I know blues fans probably aren't crazy about taking back Varada but in the cap world we'd have to send some contracts back your way.

Don Draper 01-16-2006 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Cunney
I would really love for the sens to work Varada for Drake (I'd have much more interest in him than Weinrich) into a Weight deal...if it means adding another pick or prospect, so be it.

To Ott:
Weight
Drake
Weinrich

To Stl:
Vermette/Bochenski
Mirinov
Lyamin
varada
Pothier

Basically 3 little deals:
Weight for Vermette/Bo & Mirinov
Weinrich for Pothier
Drake for Varada & Lyamin

I could be way off (take it easy on me) as I have no clue what kind of value Drake and Weinrich carry.... and I know blues fans probably aren't crazy about taking back Varada but in the cap world we'd have to send some contracts back your way.

you are getting too big for no reason. Not to say i wouldnt want drake, but it went from 5 pieces to 8, just seems unrealistic, plus you add in pothier which defeats the purpose of adding defensive depth.

Captain_Cunney 01-16-2006 05:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by I.M. Fletcher
you are getting too big for no reason. Not to say i wouldnt want drake, but it went from 5 pieces to 8, just seems unrealistic, plus you add in pothier which defeats the purpose of adding defensive depth.

We would still have Schubert for depth, I don't think losing Pothier would be that big of a deal.

That being said, I just added to the proposed deal.....I really have no interest in adding Weinrich. Revamped:

To Ott:
Weight and Drake

To Stl:
Vermette/Bo, Mirinov, Varada, Lyamin/3rd

Irish Blues 01-16-2006 06:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Captain_Cunney
We would still have Schubert for depth, I don't think losing Pothier would be that big of a deal.

That being said, I just added to the proposed deal.....I really have no interest in adding Weinrich. Revamped:

To Ott:
Weight and Drake

To Stl:
Vermette/Bo, Mirinov, Varada, Lyamin/3rd

I still don't want Varada, but I'd hold my nose and take him to get the deal done.

Captain_Cunney 01-16-2006 06:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish Blues
I still don't want Varada, but I'd hold my nose and take him to get the deal done.

What if I included a life-time supply of Feebreeze so you could follow him around and spray the stink out of the air? :D

Plus Varada is hot, he just netted a pair on Sat. night....that would put him in the top 10 on blues scoring (sorry about that one, just a joke - we've been through tough times here also).

Clutch Mediocrity 01-16-2006 06:46 PM

Drake/Varada is pretty much a wash. Same assests to the table, same exact salary, same build, same roles. It goes on and on like that. I like Drake a bit better for his role, but he might not mesh like Varada currently is with some of our bottom-six players. He's just starting to get it going and will be a big asset come playoff time for us. If St Louis doesn't want him leave him out as he's quite serviceable IMO.

My proposal:

Weight

for

One of Vermette/Bochenski, Mirnov, 3rd rouder

Fair? Need a bit more?

The Mars Volchenkov 01-16-2006 06:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Man.Utd
Drake/Varada is pretty much a wash. Same assests to the table, same exact salary, same build, same roles. It goes on and on like that. I like Drake a bit better for his role, but he might not mesh like Varada currently is with some of our bottom-six players. He's just starting to get it going and will be a big asset come playoff time for us. If St Louis doesn't want him leave him out as he's quite serviceable IMO.

My proposal:

Weight

for

One of Vermette/Bochenski, Mirnov, 3rd rouder

Fair? Need a bit more?

Blues fans have said they'd take Vermette/Bochenski and a 2nd.

Clutch Mediocrity 01-16-2006 06:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by SensGuy
Blues fans have said they'd take Vermette/Bochenski and a 2nd.

I'd do it with Eaves' unexpected emergence this year. He's on pace for over 20 goals as a rookie and the learning curve has been quite minimal. He's been getting little playing time and more importantly has been scoring garbage goals. We need more of that.

Maybe we can even re-sign Weight to a fair deal in the off-season that fits into our payroll scheme, with the Alfie cap and all. Although I certainly wouldn't make this deal with the assumption that it could be arranged. We need to go for a Cup this year and that's the reason we're even talking about the talented Blue.

And so long as we keep that 1st rounder I'm confident this scouting staff can pull out a very strong draft, 2nd round pick or not. We always seem to get a steal or two late. We always can trade up if there's a kid in round 2 the scouts *really* like and many times these kids just bust anyway.

Captain_Cunney 01-16-2006 07:56 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Man.Utd
I'd do it with Eaves' unexpected emergence this year. He's on pace for over 20 goals as a rookie and the learning curve has been quite minimal. He's been getting little playing time and more importantly has been scoring garbage goals. We need more of that.

Maybe we can even re-sign Weight to a fair deal in the off-season that fits into our payroll scheme, with the Alfie cap and all. Although I certainly wouldn't make this deal with the assumption that it could be arranged. We need to go for a Cup this year and that's the reason we're even talking about the talented Blue.

And so long as we keep that 1st rounder I'm confident this scouting staff can pull out a very strong draft, 2nd round pick or not. We always seem to get a steal or two late. We always can trade up if there's a kid in round 2 the scouts *really* like and many times these kids just bust anyway.

I'm of the same opinion, but it is crucial that we don't throw away a 1st rounder for a rental. All our prospects and picks are fair game with the exception of Eaves, Lee, and our 1st rounder (I'd like to hold on to Kaigordorov also).

bert 01-16-2006 08:15 PM

Absolutely no reason to keep Pothier around if Weinrich is coming back the other way. Pothier at his salary and age prolbably has more trade value then Mirnov so he makes alot more sense for both teams.

Varada is a younger similiar player to Drake i figured he could have been an upgrade based on his age.

Thats why I made my proposal.

Roger's Pancreas* 01-16-2006 08:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish Blues
Let's see what Flyers fans want to offer, or if they're going to just concede Weight and Weinrich to the Senators. If they've got nothing better, I'm perfectly happy with this.

Pass.

If anything I'd like to see what St. Louis' 1st round pick could go for.

Irish Blues 01-16-2006 08:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panasonic Youth
Pass.

If anything I'd like to see what St. Louis' 1st round pick could go for.

You want the Blues' 1st rounder for 2006?

:biglaugh:

Roger's Pancreas* 01-16-2006 08:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish Blues
You want the Blues' 1st rounder for 2006?

:biglaugh:

Did I miss the joke?

The Flyers and Blues aren't in the same Conference so that will make any dealing probable. Bobby Clarke has the Flyers 1st-9th, the Panthers 2nd, the Coyotes 2nd, the Lightnings 2nd, and the Blackhawks 3rd; You're telling me that a player and a combination of these picks couldn't get that pick? If that's the case then the first overall pick (whoever he may be) must be the next Lemieux.

Irish Blues 01-16-2006 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panasonic Youth
Did I miss the joke?

The Flyers and Blues aren't in the same Conference so that will make any dealing probable. Bobby Clarke has the Flyers 1st-9th, the Panthers 2nd, the Coyotes 2nd, the Lightnings 2nd, and the Blackhawks 3rd; You're telling me that a player and a combination of these picks couldn't get that pick? If that's the case then the first overall pick (whoever he may be) must be the next Lemieux.

You put together a package, I'll tell you if I think it's worth trading the potential #1 pick for it.

ARS 01-16-2006 09:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panasonic Youth
Pass.

If anything I'd like to see what St. Louis' 1st round pick could go for.

St Louis's first is probably worth just as much as a star player unless you are giving another low 1st rounder in return

Roger's Pancreas* 01-16-2006 09:13 PM

Dennis Seidenberg or Freddy Meyer, Stefan Ruzicka

Flyers 1st (06)
Panthers 2nd (06)
Lightning 2nd (06)
Blackhawks 3rd (06)

You're talking to the wrong guy with proposals but this is a starting point.

Irish Blues 01-17-2006 05:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Panasonic Youth
Dennis Seidenberg or Freddy Meyer, Stefan Ruzicka

Flyers 1st (06)
Panthers 2nd (06)
Lightning 2nd (06)
Blackhawks 3rd (06)

You're talking to the wrong guy with proposals but this is a starting point.

Considering the Flyers' 1st round pick wouldn't come up until 27-30, you're asking us to take picks at (and this is all a rough guess) 27, 37, 49 and 64 plus two picks for a 1/2 overall pick. Considering the lack of real depth in this class, no thanks - I don't see anything in those lower rounds or the prospects that screams, "BUILD YOUR TEAM AROUND ME!"

Art Vandelay 01-17-2006 06:49 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irish Blues
:eek: Let's see what Flyers fans want to offer, or if they're going to just concede Weight and Weinrich to the Senators. If they've got nothing better, I'm perfectly happy with this.

Not that i really want Weight but for the sake of keeping him from Ottawa.

(Assuming Primeau doesnt return this season)

Weight, Sillinger and Weinrich

for

Ruzicka, Seidenberg, Radovojevic, a 2nd and a 3rd.

+ one of Savage/Sim to lighten the load on the Flyers cap.

Irish Blues 01-17-2006 06:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lion of the North
Not that i really want Weight but for the sake of keeping him from Ottawa.

(Assuming Primeau doesnt return this season)

Weight, Sillinger and Weinrich

for

Ruzicka, Seidenberg, Radovojevic, a 2nd and a 3rd.

+ one of Savage/Sim to lighten the load on the Flyers cap.

1. Name the 2nd and 3rd round pick (because I know you have several to choose from)
2. We'd take Savage. Hell, we'd take Therien if it would help.


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