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SFD22 10-21-2003 06:54 AM

Edmonton / Leafs Proposal
 
TO EDM: Tomas Kaberle + Darcy Tucker + Ric Jackman + 2nd 2005

TO TOR: Eric Brewer + rights to Mike Comrie + 4th 2005

Toronto gets their big defender that they can mould into a true #1 and injects some speed and youth up front. Personally, I think Comrie could be the Leafs' second coming of Gilmour.

Edmonton gets a true rushing defenceman that is reasonably priced in Kaberle and a tough centreman in Tucker. Jackman has proved so far with the Leafs that he is a very capable 4-5 defenceman and would give Edm. depth.

ACC1224 10-21-2003 07:08 AM

I like it but I'm sure Oiler fans won't. Also I can't really see the Leafs giving up Kaberle even though they get the better players in this deal.

Obsessed 10-21-2003 07:12 AM

YICK!! NO NO AND NO. Tucker and Comrie are pals so I've heard. Would they agree to this?

ACC1224 10-21-2003 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by Obsessed
YICK!! NO NO AND NO. Tucker and Comrie are pals so I've heard. Would they agree to this?

Why would they have to agree?

Oiltalk 10-21-2003 07:18 AM

Leafs take that deal and run. After hearing both Brewer and Comrie mentioned, Lowe hangs up the phone before even hearing what the leafs are offering. :)

Behind Enemy Lines 10-21-2003 07:22 AM

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Originally Posted by SFD22
TO EDM: Tomas Kaberle + Darcy Tucker + Ric Jackman + 2nd 2005

TO TOR: Eric Brewer + rights to Mike Comrie + 4th 2005

Toronto gets their big defender that they can mould into a true #1 and injects some speed and youth up front. Personally, I think Comrie could be the Leafs' second coming of Gilmour.

Edmonton gets a true rushing defenceman that is reasonably priced in Kaberle and a tough centreman in Tucker. Jackman has proved so far with the Leafs that he is a very capable 4-5 defenceman and would give Edm. depth.

Okay, let me get this straight. We give you our number one centre and number one defenseman (an Olympian) for a third-line rumoured dressing room cancer, an okay defenseman, and a second fringe NHL defenseman.

Sorry but this is a laughable trade suggestion. Any Leaf deal must begin with Andropov and won't include Brewer.

Obsessed 10-21-2003 07:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Oiltalk
Leafs take that deal and run. After hearing both Brewer and Comrie mentioned, Lowe hangs up the phone before even hearing what the leafs are offering. :)


EXACTLY. This deal isn't even close. They wouldn't have to agree, however they wouldn't be ideal trading partners. Tucker likes TO. Why :dunno: but you might hurt Comries tender feelings.

USC Trojans 10-21-2003 07:35 AM

Ouch...while I do like Kaberle...I think we'll hold on to Brewer for now. And as for Tucker....I'd rather have Comrie not play than to have Tucker on the ice in an Oiler jersey.

Mizral 10-21-2003 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Behind Enemy Lines
Okay, let me get this straight. We give you our number one centre and number one defenseman (an Olympian) for a third-line rumoured dressing room cancer, an okay defenseman, and a second fringe NHL defenseman.

Sorry but this is a laughable trade suggestion. Any Leaf deal must begin with Andropov and won't include Brewer.

I agree, but you have to admit, getting Kaberle would improve the Oilers ten-fold, especially on the power play.

Maybe a deal involving Comrie & Jason Smith for Tomas Kaberle & Darcy Tucker?

Burke's Evil Spirit 10-21-2003 07:52 AM

Why do the Oilers want Darcy Tucker? They don't need him. Leave him out of proposals.

Why do the Leafs want to move Tomas Kaberle? That blueline looks crappy enough, and replacing him with Jason Smith is one hell of a downgrade.

Behind Enemy Lines: Tomas Kaberle was an Olympian too, and is a hell of a lot better than Brewer.

Kenadyan 10-21-2003 08:02 AM

This trade would hurt the Leafs from a defensive standpoint. Yeah, yeah I know Brewer (who would look great in a Leaf uniform) was part of the proposal, but the Leafs would lose their point man on the PP (Kaberle) as well as depth with Jackman (who is playing well for them as a 4/5 guy right now).

As deep as the farm is with d-men, I don't want the Leafs to rush guys like Colaiacovo and Hedin into the line-up due to lack of experienced depth on the blue line.

LawnDemon 10-21-2003 08:29 AM

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Originally Posted by alzardnp1
Ouch...while I do like Kaberle...I think we'll hold on to Brewer for now. And as for Tucker....I'd rather have Comrie not play than to have Tucker on the ice in an Oiler jersey.

exactly. i've said it before and i'll say it again: if tucker ever ends up wearing an oilers jersey i will burn mine. it was hard enough suffering through the corson years.

as for the trade proposal, it's just another laughable proposal by another homer leafs fan. for some reason leafs fans seem to think their crap is better than the best the rest of the league has to offer.

NOTE TO LEAFS FANS - TUCKER IS A JACKASS AND NOBODY WANTS HIM.

NOTE TO LEAFS FANS - JACKMAN'S FIRST NAME IS NOT BARRET.

as for the comment that kaberle was an olympian as well - put it into perspective please.
- matts lindgren and jiri dopita were also olympians at one time.
- brewer made the olympics on a team with a phenomenal talent pool.
- kaberle made a team that had non-nhlers in the lineup.
just some objective facts.

Slats432 10-21-2003 08:35 AM

If Darcy Tucker becomes an Oiler I will refuse to watch Oiler games until his imminent trade.

I will also email the Oilers front office once a week indicating my displeasure of having him on our team.

I will start a Trade Darcy Tucker website.

I would rather cheer for the Leafs with Comrie than the Oilers with Tucker.

I would rather the Rangers win 10 straight cups than have Tucker on the Oilers.

I would rather see the Oilers play the trap than have Darcy on the team.

I would rather the CBA be negotiated with only the Rangers, Flyers, Avs, and Wings in mind rather than have Tucker on the Oilers.

Please, for pete's sake, if there is a hockey god, do not let Darcy Tucker play for Edmonton.

Vyse64 10-21-2003 08:35 AM

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Originally Posted by LawnDemon
exactly. i've said it before and i'll say it again: if tucker ever ends up wearing an oilers jersey i will burn mine. it was hard enough suffering through the corson years.

as for the trade proposal, it's just another laughable proposal by another homer leafs fan. for some reason leafs fans seem to think their crap is better than the best the rest of the league has to offer.

NOTE TO LEAFS FANS - TUCKER IS A JACKASS AND NOBODY WANTS HIM.

NOTE TO LEAFS FANS - JACKMAN'S FIRST NAME IS NOT BARRET.

as for the comment that kaberle was an olympian as well - put it into perspective please.
- matts lindgren and jiri dopita were also olympians at one time.
- brewer made the olympics on a team with a phenomenal talent pool.
- kaberle made a team that had non-nhlers in the lineup.
just some objective facts.

pretty well sum up my thoughts exactly

Mr Sakich 10-21-2003 08:37 AM

I agree with mizral that these two teams could be trade partners but this idea is not a good one. The leafs are obviously in a win-now mode with roberts, neiwy, and belfor on their last legs. Second line scoring is definately an issue with them. They also have some great young defense prospects that quinn does not trust to be in their lineup (to be fair, how many young dmen could stand the incredible pressure of playing in fornt of 12,000 journalist per night)

How about Comrie for Coiliacovo and Bell

ACC1224 10-21-2003 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Mr Sakich
I agree with mizral that these two teams could be trade partners but this idea is not a good one. The leafs are obviously in a win-now mode with roberts, neiwy, and belfor on their last legs. Second line scoring is definately an issue with them. They also have some great young defense prospects that quinn does not trust to be in their lineup (to be fair, how many young dmen could stand the incredible pressure of playing in fornt of 12,000 journalist per night)

How about Comrie for Coiliacovo and Bell

Comrie and Smith for C.C., Bell and Tucker?

LawnDemon 10-21-2003 08:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ACC1224
Comrie and Smith for C.C., Bell and Tucker?

FOR THE LAST TIME - NO TUCKER

seriously now... a 23 year old 30 goal scorer and our team captain for a good prospect, a marginal prospect, and a jackass. where is your head for crying out loud?

Slats432 10-21-2003 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mr Sakich
I agree with mizral that these two teams could be trade partners but this idea is not a good one. The leafs are obviously in a win-now mode with roberts, neiwy, and belfor on their last legs. Second line scoring is definately an issue with them. They also have some great young defense prospects that quinn does not trust to be in their lineup (to be fair, how many young dmen could stand the incredible pressure of playing in fornt of 12,000 journalist per night)

How about Comrie for Coiliacovo and Bell

Both are blueliners and Lowe said that he wanted a top 6 forward or top 4 blueliner in the deal. That said...I do like Colaiacovo.

ACC1224 10-21-2003 08:46 AM

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Originally Posted by LawnDemon
FOR THE LAST TIME - NO TUCKER

Someone has to take this moron off our hands.

ACC1224 10-21-2003 08:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LawnDemon
FOR THE LAST TIME - NO TUCKER

seriously now... a 23 year old 30 goal scorer and our team captain for a defensive prospect, a forward prospect, and a jackass. where is your head for crying out loud?

I just added to the post above if your literate enough to read it. Smith for Tucker added to the rest.

shakes 10-21-2003 08:47 AM

ok maybe I'm missing something here. I will post two sets of stats over the past six years and you tell me who's who..

Season Team GP G A P PIM +/- PP SH GW GT Shots Pct
1998-1999 63 5 6 11 32 -14 2 0 0 0 63 7.9
1999-2000 26 0 2 2 20 -11 0 0 0 0 30 0
2000-2001 77 7 14 21 53 15 2 0 2 0 91 7.7
2001-2002 81 7 18 25 45 -5 6 0 2 0 165 4.2
2002-2003 80 8 21 29 45 -11 1 0 1 0 147 5.4
2003-2004 5 0 3 3 6 3 0 0 0 0 3 0

NHL Totals 332 27 64 91 201 -23 11 0 5 0 499 5.4

And

Season Team GP G A P PIM +/- PP SH GW GT Shots Pct
1998-1999 57 4 18 22 12 3 0 0 2 0 71 5.6
1999-2000 82 7 33 40 24 3 2 0 0 0 82 8.5
2000-2001 82 6 39 45 24 10 0 0 1 0 96 6.3
2001-2002 69 10 29 39 2 5 5 0 3 1 85 11.8
2002-2003 82 11 36 47 30 20 4 1 2 1 119 9.2
2003-2004 5 0 2 2 4 -2 0 0 0 0 6 0

NHL Totals 377 38 157 195 96 39 11 1 8 2 459 8.3





I have bolded two of the most interesting stats...

Ah forget it.. the top is Brewer and the bottom is Kaberle. How about this, a trade for Kaberle would start with Brewer and go from there. The way some players live off reputation is astounding, but I won't blame them, they aren't the ones over rating him. To sumarize, I would rather have the 195 point +39 defenceman than the 91 point, -23 defenceman

LawnDemon 10-21-2003 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by ACC1224
I just added to the post above if your literate enough to read it. Smith for Tucker added to the rest.

how ironic. you're a clever one aren't you?

ACC1224 10-21-2003 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by LawnDemon
how ironic. you're a clever one aren't you?

just trying to dumb it down for you.

speeds 10-21-2003 08:54 AM

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Originally Posted by ACC1224
Comrie and Smith for C.C., Bell and Tucker?

something like:

Comrie and Smith/Staois for C.C., Antropov, and 04 2nd

might work out for the Oilers?

BlueAndWhite 10-21-2003 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by speeds
something like:

Comrie and Smith/Staois for C.C., Antropov, and 04 2nd

might work out for the Oilers?

As a Leaf fan, I'm hesitant, particularly because unlike many, I'm a big Antropov fan.

If Nik can stay healthy and realizes his potential, I'd say his value COULD be in same league as Comrie.

Right now, the Leafs win the Comrie for Antropov section, fairly easily; but down the road, it's going to be awful close IMO.

That leaves Smith (who I prefer and I believe has a higher value than Staois) for C.C. and a 2nd. C.C. has the potential to be better than Smith (though a different kind of player), and then the Leafs throw in a second.

The Leafs have precious little youth, and we'd be giving up two of our bigger studs (and yes, they are for the most part still only potential).

I say the Leafs politely decline this one.


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