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Reign Nateo 10-22-2003 03:37 PM

Avs get Konowalchuk
 
and a 3rd rounder for Bates Battaglia and Jonas Johansson.

While I like this move for the future, Kono is a real battler and will make the games against the Avs even tougher. Seems kind of silly considering the Avs traded Vrbata to get Bates?

Oh well, thoughts?

kmad 10-22-2003 04:34 PM

panic move by Colorado

Ol' Dirty Chinaman* 10-22-2003 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by kmad
panic move by Colorado

No kidding, With the exception of Foote and Blake, the Avs are as soft as they come.

I find it pretty funny that Kariya and Selanne are underachieving, and now Kariya's got an injury (LOL).

Biggest Canuck Fan 10-22-2003 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Super_Joe
The Avs are as soft as they come coming from a Canucks fan ? :joker:

You cannot be serious? The Canucks are a far more gritty team than the Avs, and the Avs have only 5 players I would call gritty. Blake, Foote, Morris, Forsberg (when he doesn't dive) and Worrell. I suppose Skrastins couls also be included there for arguments sake.

The Canucks on the other hand... Bertuzzi, Linden, Cooke, Jovanovski, Ohlund, May, Allen, Ruttuu, Chubarov, Arvedson... yeah the Avs sure do have a grit advantage over the Canucks :rolleyes:

kmad 10-22-2003 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggest Canuck Fan
The Canucks on the other hand... Bertuzzi, Linden, Cooke, Jovanovski, Ohlund, May, Allen, Ruttuu, Chubarov, Arvedson... yeah the Avs sure do have a grit advantage over the Canucks :rolleyes:

..don't forget Cloutier

Biggest Canuck Fan 10-22-2003 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Super_Joe
Add Morris , Hinote and Konowalchuk to the list . I didn't know Arvedson was gritty , when did this come about ?

Speaking of diving , wasn't Cooke the first player to get fined for diving last year ? Add Naslund to that list also .

I did add Morris... and Hinote is OK, but doesn't see enough Ice time.

Sorry but the Avs do not come close to the Canucks. You Avs fans... you can't stand the fact the Canucks are passing you by... that and the fact your infallible GM screwed up royally on this trade.

and on a side note, I said Kariya was injury prone, and all the Avs fans laughed at me... aren't laughing now, are you?

Frightened Inmate #2 10-22-2003 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by Super_Joe
Add Morris , Hinote and Konowalchuk to the list . I didn't know Arvedson was gritty , when did this come about ?

Speaking of diving , wasn't Cooke the first player to get fined for diving last year ? Add Naslund to that list also .

Morris, gritty? I got to watch him on a constant basis for years and water has more grit than this guy.

quat 10-22-2003 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Super_Joe
Add Morris , Hinote and Konowalchuk to the list . I didn't know Arvedson was gritty , when did this come about ?

Speaking of diving , wasn't Cooke the first player to get fined for diving last year ? Add Naslund to that list also .

Over on the Avs board, there are lot's of comments relating to the Avs present lack of grit (whether it means anything or not is debated!), and the fact that Forsberg pisses all you guys off when he dives. You are correct that Cooke did draw a fine for diving, but does that realisticly convince anyone that Cooke dives more than Forsberg? And being that he got called earlier than someone else means...? What exactly? I got my speeding ticket in June, but you got your speeding ticket in September... therefore I speed more than you! Makes complete sense. :p

quat 10-22-2003 05:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Super_Joe
The Canucks are passing Colorado ? When did this happen ?The Canucks are just another team that can produce ok in the regular season but , can't bring the goods in the playoffs .

:rolleyes: Your comments are getting weird. The Canucks have been building this team since Burke got here... uh, before that the Canucks generally sucked all the time :p At least be accurate if you're going to try and insult the CAnucks. :joker: A comment like that might fit the Blues more than the Canucks... Van haven't been in the post season often enough to say they can't produce. If you want to call failing by losing to the eventual cup winners not bringing the goods... well, whatever. Last season the Canucks ran out of gas, and didn't have what it takes to go deep. They are a much different team this season.

quat 10-22-2003 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Super_Joe
Diving in hockey and speeding in a vehicle isn't a good comparisin . Nice try though .

Okay... so you think Cooke dives more than Forsberg? The example I gave relates to the timing of an infraction, obviously I don't think driving and hockey are similiar in action. The two are very similiar if you spend a bit of time thinking about it. :teach:

quat 10-22-2003 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Super_Joe
I know the Canucks are getting better every year but , they aren't a playoff team IMO.

Well, if you are going by their playoff history, you'll get no argument from me. However, they have shown they are developing every year, and that generally leads to a team that can be concidered a playoff team. The Nords were built that way.

RoyIsALegend* 10-22-2003 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggest Canuck Fan
I did add Morris... and Hinote is OK, but doesn't see enough Ice time.

You're going to consider Magnus Arvedson(the pansy who was knocked down by the wing of Tie Domi's swing) gritty yet not count Dan Hinote?

Pathetically biased.

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Originally Posted by Biggest Canuck Fan
Sorry but the Avs do not come close to the Canucks. You Avs fans... you can't stand the fact the Canucks are passing you by... that and the fact your infallible GM screwed up royally on this trade.

Just one thing to say here...

Would you like to look like an absolute fool again at the end of the season like last year?

Keep hypin' up the 'Nucks.

And when I come starting threads late in the season after a 10th straight Northwest title, you can go run and hide again.

Dr. Nucksfan 10-22-2003 05:47 PM

grouchy quat knows squat?
 
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Originally Posted by quat
Over on the Avs board, there are lot's of comments relating to the Avs present lack of grit (whether it means anything or not is debated!), and the fact that Forsberg pisses all you guys off when he dives. You are correct that Cooke did draw a fine for diving, but does that realisticly convince anyone that Cooke dives more than Forsberg? And being that he got called earlier than someone else means...? What exactly? I got my speeding ticket in June, but you got your speeding ticket in September... therefore I speed more than you! Makes complete sense. :p


Hey Quat, let's lay off the Avs. You should know they are infallible as a team, and that Lacroix is pretty much a genius, and Morris is tough as nails and that team is about as deep as a thimble full of mercury poured onto a pool table.

Ol' Dirty Chinaman* 10-22-2003 05:52 PM

Oh please, you Avs fans need to take off your rose-colored glasses, why do you think PL made this trade ?

And keep talking Avs fans, for such a vaunted offense you guys get punked by Edmonton and Boston, what -- 10-2 ?

quat 10-22-2003 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Dr. Nucksfan
Hey Quat, let's lay off the Avs. You should know they are infallible as a team, and that Lacroix is pretty much a genius, and Morris is tough as nails and that team is about as deep as a thimble full of mercury poured onto a pool table.

Them's fightin words pal ! Looking forward to the game tonight against the Blues Doc? I'm going to tape the game at Mr.T's... you?

RoyIsALegend* 10-22-2003 05:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Ol' Dirty Chinaman
And keep talking Avs fans, for such a vaunted offense you guys get punked by Edmonton and Boston, what -- 10-2 ?

In the 4th and 5th games of the season.

Way to go, have a sticker.

Ol' Dirty Chinaman* 10-22-2003 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Super_Joe
I thought the regular season was 82 games , not 5 ?

And how many games did you win the division by ?

quat 10-22-2003 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Ol' Dirty Chinaman
Oh please, you Avs fans need to take off your rose-colored glasses, why do you think PL made this trade ?

And keep talking Avs fans, for such a vaunted offense you guys get punked by Edmonton and Boston, what -- 10-2 ?

This is true, but the Avs usually start slow... all we Nucks fans hope it's something they continue and expand further into the season!

I think Avs fans are going to be in for a hard year... maybe frustrating... ahh... so frustrating.

quat 10-22-2003 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by RoyIsALegend
In the 4th and 5th games of the season.

Way to go, have a sticker.


:lol: Me too, can I have a sticker too?

Ol' Dirty Chinaman* 10-22-2003 05:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Super_Joe
What does that have to do with anything ?

Lordy.

Take some comprehension classes, then get back to this thread.

quat 10-22-2003 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Super_Joe
If I remember correctly , Colorado was 15 points behind Vancouver last year . Sakic was gone for 20 games , we still won the division . Half way during the season , Canuck fans already were drinking champagne thinking they won the division .

Put's down Champagne... Hey, you didn't answer the Forsberg > Cooke at diving ! Are you still thinking over the driving example? ;)

BeantownBilly 10-22-2003 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Biggest Canuck Fan
You cannot be serious? The Canucks are a far more gritty team than the Avs, and the Avs have only 5 players I would call gritty. Blake, Foote, Morris, Forsberg (when he doesn't dive) and Worrell. I suppose Skrastins couls also be included there for arguments sake.

The Canucks on the other hand... Bertuzzi, Linden, Cooke, Jovanovski, Ohlund, May, Allen, Ruttuu, Chubarov, Arvedson... yeah the Avs sure do have a grit advantage over the Canucks :rolleyes:



Arvedson?? hehe

Impossibles 10-22-2003 06:04 PM

^
You also had Roy last year. Lets see if Abby can do the same.

Back to the trade, I think this is just a lateral move for the avs. Konowalchuck has about the same skill-set as Bates, but more experience and grit.

PL kinda looks like he doesn't really know what he's doing, doesn't he?

quat 10-22-2003 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Impossibles
^
You also had Roy last year. Lets see if Abby can do the same.

Back to the trade, I think this is just a lateral move for the avs. Konowalchuck has about the same skill-set as Bates, but more experience and grit.

PL kinda looks like he doesn't really know what he's doing, doesn't he?

It doesn't really look like goal is the position the Avs are struggling with. Is Konowalchuck better than Battaglia? I remember him being great on that shut down line. It would seem that he is an upgrade, in that he is a veteran presence.

RandV 10-22-2003 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Super_Joe
I think Konowalchuk is an upgrade over Battaglia for sure . Aebischer has played good , not awesome . The Avs are playing like crap right now , they'll turn it around . They won't be going with Abby for the playoffs , you can guarantee that .

Canucks actually put up the better regular season last year, but lost to the Avs on a technicallity, 5 OT loss points to 1. Avs fans shouldn't be feeling to comfortable with the division lead.


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