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GoPenguins 10-23-2003 01:22 PM

Thoughts on the Avs/Caps deal
 
Whilst browsing I noticed the Avs-Caps trade. I beleive this was the full trade.

The Avs acquired winger Steve Konowalchuk and a Round 3 pick in 2004 from the Washington Capitals in exchange for winger Bates Battaglia and prospect Jonas Johansson.

I dont mean to disrespect Steve Konawalchuk, but couldnt we have come up with a comparable and decent package for the Avs? I would have thought we could have shipped plenty of Konawalchk type players to the Avs if it meant getting someone like Battaglia AND a good prospect in Jonas Johannson. If they wanted grit, we coulda shipped them Holzinger, Meloche, Webb or a whole host of other 3rd or 4th line grinders. I can understand the Avs dealing with an Eastern conference team. I kinda wish it was ours :rolleyes:

Jacob 10-23-2003 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GoPenguins
Whilst browsing I noticed the Avs-Caps trade. I beleive this was the full trade.

The Avs acquired winger Steve Konowalchuk and a Round 3 pick in 2004 from the Washington Capitals in exchange for winger Bates Battaglia and prospect Jonas Johansson.

I dont mean to disrespect Steve Konawalchuk, but couldnt we have come up with a comparable and decent package for the Avs? I would have thought we could have shipped plenty of Konawalchk type players to the Avs if it meant getting someone like Battaglia AND a good prospect in Jonas Johannson. If they wanted grit, we coulda shipped them Holzinger, Meloche, Webb or a whole host of other 3rd or 4th line grinders. I can understand the Avs dealing with an Eastern conference team. I kinda wish it was ours :rolleyes:

Konowalchuk is way, WAAAY better than Holzinger, Meloche, and Webb combined.

The Tang 10-23-2003 01:42 PM

i do think we could have put a similar package together for Kono. i have a feeling the prospect in the deal was significant to McPhee though, as he was a 1st rounder and is only 19. but i would have liked to get Kono, i think he would be very good for the 2nd line.

Koltsov71 10-23-2003 01:55 PM

Very nice deal for the Avalanche.

As I am also a Hurricanes fan, I am all too famaliar with Battaglia. He's the type of guy I would not want on my team.

As far as the deal itself goes, I suppose it all hinges on Johansson.

Wingboy2999 10-23-2003 05:31 PM

Something the Avs need they got......damn. Kono brings leadership, they don't need it but you can never have enough leadership. Grit and a decent offensive game. Nothing to special but much better then Battaglia.

Robert Paulson* 10-23-2003 05:51 PM

Yeah, because Kono is a good role player, and Battaglia never did well in Colorado. Also, Colorado doesn't care too much about prospects, they can buy most of their talent.

PS: woo! 700th post :p

Koltsov71 10-23-2003 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by LetsGoPens63
Colorado doesn't care too much about prospects

Sure they do. Their draft record is excellent.

Robert Paulson* 10-23-2003 06:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Koltsov47
Sure they do. Their draft record is excellent.

Yeah, they have drafted a lot of good players. By saying what I did I kinda meant that this year they are going for more of an all or nothing thing by getting Kariya and Selanne so prospects are not as much of a concern THIS year as winning the cup is. They are definitely not the New York Rangers when it comes to prospects though :D. They gave up a pretty good prospect to get Kono.

It's late, give me a break :)

The Tang 10-23-2003 07:40 PM

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Originally Posted by LetsGoPens63
They are definitely not the New York Rangers when it comes to prospects though :D. They gave up a pretty good prospect to get Kono.

no, but they do give up good prospects for specialized players, i.e Vrbata for Battaglia, and Nederost in a deal that i cant remember.

Wingboy2999 10-23-2003 07:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarface
Yeah they draft very well, but they also trade those guys very fast.


Nedorost i think should have stayed in Colorado, the guy has some potential, same as Jonas and Bates.


Why trade away a younger version of the guy you want? If the avs don't win it this year, Konowalchuk will leave, he is a UFA at the end of the season...remember Kariya is also signed to 1yr, if the avs don't even make it past 1st round, these guys will bolt.

You trade away a younger version because you want to win now. And, obviously, the Avs are in a win now mode.

The Tang 10-23-2003 07:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Wingboy2999
You trade away a younger version because you want to win now. And, obviously, the Avs are in a win now mode.

i can understand the Kono deal, becasue threy can easily resign him. i dont understand the Vrbata deal at all though.

Evilo 10-23-2003 08:06 PM

So basically it's Nedorost, Johansson and Vrbata for Konowalchuk and that fighting scrub...

Jacob 10-23-2003 08:40 PM

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If the Avs knew how to use their youth properly
The Avs are the absolute benchmark in not only drafting and developing, but just plain winning in general. They must be doing something right.

Now you say "hey man whuts ur problem".

Koltsov71 10-24-2003 03:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Raider Zero
i dont understand the Vrbata deal at all though.

To say that that deal was a steal for the Hurricanes would be a monumental understatement. Vrbata is very young and extremely talented. I cannot wait to see what he does in the next couple of years. I'm expecting big things from him.

Koltsov71 10-24-2003 03:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Jacobv2
The Avs are the absolute benchmark in not only drafting and developing, but just plain winning in general. They must be doing something right.

Now you say "hey man whuts ur problem".

Exactly.

kutdacheez 10-24-2003 05:55 AM

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Originally Posted by GoPenguins
I dont mean to disrespect Steve Konawalchuk, but couldnt we have come up with a comparable and decent package for the Avs? I would have thought we could have shipped plenty of Konawalchk type players to the Avs if it meant getting someone like Battaglia AND a good prospect in Jonas Johannson. If they wanted grit, we coulda shipped them Holzinger, Meloche, Webb or a whole host of other 3rd or 4th line grinders.

Colorado could have picked up Webb as a FA but didn't. Holzinger is one step away from where he played last year and where meloche plays now. The AHL. You give these three players way too much credit IMHO.

As to the Washington $parc, apparently Konowalchuk was told that he wouldn't be resigned next season, so this can't be a big surprise to him. Especially since the famed checking line hasn't played that well since Dalhen left the team two seasons ago. Konowalchuk was dropped to the fourth line right before the trade. So, IMHO all-in-all, McPhee made an okay trade. Batts Battaglia is not more nor that much less than Konowalchuk and basically what Washington got was an unsigned (pretty good prospect) in Jonas Johansson (who, BTW plays at Kamloops with Erik Christensen) and if they don't sign him get a second round choice from Colorado. The $parc also gave up a third round pick.
I see the deal as almost even . . . with the $parc holding a good edge if they sign Johansson.

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I can understand the Avs dealing with an Eastern conference team. I kinda wish it was ours :rolleyes:
I don't see anything that the Penguins could do to be in that deal for a win-win for both teams. And why would you want Bates Battaglia, anyway?

Robert Paulson* 10-24-2003 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Scarface
All i know is that Skoula should be better than he is right now, i don't know what happened to his production, it dropped off dramatically last year.

I think ever since they got Morris, Colorado doesn't care as much about Skoula. He has a bright future, but it's being shadowed by at least 4 other guys playing ahead of him.

GoPenguins 10-24-2003 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by kutdacheez
Colorado could have picked up Webb as a FA but didn't. Holzinger is one step away from where he played last year and where meloche plays now. The AHL. You give these three players way too much credit IMHO.

As to the Washington $parc, apparently Konowalchuk was told that he wouldn't be resigned next season, so this can't be a big surprise to him. Especially since the famed checking line hasn't played that well since Dalhen left the team two seasons ago. Konowalchuk was dropped to the fourth line right before the trade. So, IMHO all-in-all, McPhee made an okay trade. Batts Battaglia is not more nor that much less than Konowalchuk and basically what Washington got was an unsigned (pretty good prospect) in Jonas Johansson (who, BTW plays at Kamloops with Erik Christensen) and if they don't sign him get a second round choice from Colorado. The $parc also gave up a third round pick.
I see the deal as almost even . . . with the $parc holding a good edge if they sign Johansson.


I don't see anything that the Penguins could do to be in that deal for a win-win for both teams. And why would you want Bates Battaglia, anyway?

I was not getting excited about Battaglia...was more intrigued that a team was willing to ship out a recent 1st round player so early in his development.

And I know Colorado could have taken Webb, Meloche etc..I was just using their names as examples of grinding type players we had. Personally, I didnt consider Konowalchuk that big of a steal. But perhaps I am doing him a dis-service. He might be one of those unnoticed, unsung hero guys :dunno:


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