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Munchausen 10-26-2003 06:57 AM

MTL-LA proposal
 
TO LA: Sundstrom + Quintal
TO MTL: Laperriere

By looking at LA's current roster, I'd say an upgrade at RD and a bit more offense might be welcomed. I beleive Quintal (big stay-at-home, leader, fighter, big hitter, crease clearer) could be that defensive upgrade along with Sundstrom (40pts checker, PK specialist, sound 2-way game) who would be an improvement in scoring over Laperriere. Also part of his salary is already paid by the Sharks. Montreal get grit for their 4th line and open up a roster spot for Komisarek. Picks could be added to even out.

The way I see it, I think in the end, the lineups of both teams, even with the present injuries on both sides, would be improved with this move.

LA

FROLOV - STUMPEL - PALFFY
ROBITAILLE - ARMSTRONG - KLATT
AVERY - BELANGER - SUNDSTROM
BRENNAN - CHARTRAND - BROWN

VISNOVSKY - MODRY
STRBAK - QUINTAL
GLEASON - CORVO


MTL

HOSSA - RIBEIRO - ZEDNIK
RYDER - PERREAULT - AUDETTE
BULIS - JUNEAU - DACKELL
BEGIN - LAPERRIERE - WARD

MARKOV - RIVET
SOURAY - KOMISAREK
HAINSEY - BRISEBOIS


Thoughts?

IGM 10-26-2003 07:18 AM

DONE! I think it would help both teams and like this deal. I am not a big Quintal guy but adding him and Sundstrum would be a great move for us. The Habs would love Lappy and give them a true checking forward who is a team leader and a guy who will drop his gloves once in awhile. He is also an excellent guy in the locker room. Of course, as has been said, it will never happen. I have heard both DT and AM say that he (lappy) and Klatt are two of the best at what they do in the game and having them both is a real Coupe.

;)

Team_Spirit 10-26-2003 07:23 AM

Hard for the Habs to do this cuz we already have a fighting 4th liner : Langdon .

Munchausen 10-26-2003 07:32 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jozeph_Balej
Hard for the Habs to do this cuz we already have a fighting 4th liner : Langdon .

Langdon can't play a regular shift though. He's a good fighter but Begin, Lappy and Ward are all better "hockey" players than him. Julien uses the 4th line as a 2nd checking line around 10 minutes a game so Langdon in such a role for 82 games would become a liability. Plus the Habs have too much bodies anyway. Sundstrom is not at ease on the 4th line and Komisarek alongside Souray is a thought I like a lot.

Of course this is all fantasy but I think this would truly help both teams for different reasons. It's IMO a rare case of a team being able to dump what the other team could need.

Jeffrey 10-26-2003 09:35 AM

I don't like this trade at all...
quintal is one of our team leader.. and he can help us..
while sundstrom is still a nice 3rd line player ..
and we trade both for a soon UFA 4th line center(while we are stuck with 4th line center..)
so NO!

Munchausen 10-26-2003 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kryoptix
I don't like this trade at all...
quintal is one of our team leader.. and he can help us..
while sundstrom is still a nice 3rd line player ..
and we trade both for a soon UFA 4th line center(while we are stuck with 4th line center..)
so NO!

I think you're underrating Laperriere's abilities. He's also a true leader and he can play RW too. What are all those 4th line centers we have? The only one I see is Begin and he's more suited for the wing where he can be even more of a pest on the ice.

As for the UFA status, Laperriere will be in 2 years while Quintal will be in 1 so it's a moot point.

Sundstrom does not fit with the Habs right now, playing on the 4th line, and you can be sure he'll become he healthy scratch when Koivu and Kilger come back.

I'd take Komisarek and Laperriere any day in my starting lineup over Sundstrom and Quintal. Not because they're not good, but because their role is duplicated with Dackell and Komisarek.

Mike8 10-26-2003 10:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munchausen
I think you're underrating Laperriere's abilities. He's also a true leader and he can play RW too. What are all those 4th line centers we have? The only one I see is Begin and he's more suited for the wing where he can be even more of a pest on the ice.

I disagree. I like Begin at center. He's good on the draw, and being able to play center enables him to go one on one and be a pest to a specific player. Example: Spezza last night. Begin is also good defensively, and playing center demands a stronger defensive presense. Personally, I like Begin a lot down the middle on the fourth line.

Munchausen 10-26-2003 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike8
I disagree. I like Begin at center. He's good on the draw, and being able to play center enables him to go one on one and be a pest to a specific player. Example: Spezza last night. Begin is also good defensively, and playing center demands a stronger defensive presense. Personally, I like Begin a lot down the middle on the fourth line.

I like Begin no matter where he plays, but I just think Laperriere on a 4th line is more appropriate than Sundstrom on that same 4th line. Laperriere can play RW too and is also very good defensively so it's not like it would change my take on things. Begin at center and Laperriere on his wing works for me also. You never have too much grit...

Psycho Papa Joe 10-26-2003 10:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Munchausen
As for the UFA status, Laperriere will be in 2 years while Quintal will be in 1 so it's a moot point.

I believe Laperriere will be able to opt for UFAgency this summer since he makes under the average NHL salary and has played 10 seasons.

Habitants 10-26-2003 10:44 AM

um i don't see koivu in that habs lineup, he will be back soon. i agree we need to mov sundstrum most likely, but it will probably be for a draft pick

Munchausen 10-26-2003 10:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psycho Joe
I believe Laperriere will be able to opt for UFAgency this summer since he makes under the average NHL salary and has played 10 seasons.

Hummm... didn't know about that. I'd do it anyway, but then maybe picks could be added from LA. It's not like we're talking about a major deal here after all. It fills a temporary need for both teams.

IGM 10-26-2003 10:50 AM

He doesn't make below the league's average salary. He is right above it.

Psycho Papa Joe 10-26-2003 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by IGM
He doesn't make below the league's average salary. He is right above it.

According to the NHLPA he makes 900K, well below the average salary which is close to 2mil.

http://www.nhlpa.com/Content/THE_PLA...o1.asp?ID=3116

Bugsy 10-26-2003 11:49 AM

That's right, trade away two commodities when the Habs have an inside chance of landing him for free! Nice!!!!

Grady41 10-26-2003 12:11 PM

As a fan from LA I would do this deal in a second but La would have to give up something else along with lappy though a 3rd this year and a 3rd next year too

Quintal and Sundstrom

for
Lappy and
03 3rd and 04 third

How about that?

KOMO_ROCKS 10-26-2003 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Mike8
I disagree. I like Begin at center. He's good on the draw, and being able to play center enables him to go one on one and be a pest to a specific player. Example: Spezza last night. Begin is also good defensively, and playing center demands a stronger defensive presense. Personally, I like Begin a lot down the middle on the fourth line.

i agree with everything you have said.....from what I have seen so far, Begin is doing a good job on the fourth line

Patty Roy 10-26-2003 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Grady41
As a fan from LA I would do this deal in a second but La would have to give up something else along with lappy though a 3rd this year and a 3rd next year too

Quintal and Sundstrom

for
Lappy and
03 3rd and 04 third

How about that?

Do you mean the guy that you drafted 3rd in 03? Cause that draft has already come and gone!

But seriously, i get what you are saying, and i would be all over that deal from a Habs standpoint.

KOMO_ROCKS 10-26-2003 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Psycho Joe
Keepy Lappy and change the first 3rd to a 2nd. A 03 2nd and a 04 3rd would be more than enough. That way the Habs would have the roster space to accomodate Komisarek on the right side and Kilger when he returns from his injury and 2 decent picks to boot.

i like your thinking :yo:

Munchausen 10-26-2003 01:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bugsy
That's right, trade away two commodities when the Habs have an inside chance of landing him for free! Nice!!!!

Hmmm... Quintal will be gone in one year and Sundstrom plays on the 4th line where he's out of place. Not too much of a risk eh?

If Laperriere is in fact going to be a UFA in one year instead of 2 like I originally thought, then the offer would be upgraded to:

Sundstrom + Quintal for Laperriere + 2nd rounder in 2004

Legionnaire 10-26-2003 05:36 PM

The Kings don't have a second rounder in 04'

Munchausen 10-26-2003 07:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Legionnaire
The Kings don't have a second rounder in 04'

Right... in 2005 then? :D

Darth Milbury 10-26-2003 07:54 PM

I don't see why the Kings would do any of these deals.

Sundstrom is basically a lessor version of Eric Belanger right now. Lappy, on the other hand, plays a valuable role as an agitator and shift disturber. He is a more valuable player overall than Sundstrom.

Quintal probably has no trade value, and he is a contract the Kings wouldn't want.

IMO, there is no basis for a deal here.

Grady41 10-26-2003 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Euro
Avery will replace Lappy soon and all thise trade does is add a little more scoring from the 3rd line.

Avery- Belanger-Sundstrom

I like that.

me too plus Quintal would be an upgrade on the blueline and add valuble depth once Matty and Miller get back

and Patty Roy I meant this year draft pick so that would an 04 3rd and 05 3rd thanks for pointing out my error

I'm glad we'll all on board for this trade now why is Dave Taylor being lazy pick up the darn phone and make some calls!! :p

Old Hickory 10-27-2003 06:02 AM

I agree with Darth. That trade doesn't make much sense for the Kings


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